15:00:25 <tflink> #startmeeting fedora-qa
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15:00:32 <tflink> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:39 <tflink> #topic Roll Call
15:00:47 * kparal is here
15:00:51 <tflink> alrighty, who's ready for some QA meeting?
15:00:59 <tflink> kparal: welcome
15:01:40 * pschindl is her
15:01:50 * pschindl is here :D
15:02:41 <pschindl> jskladan will come soon
15:02:44 <tflink> pschindl: whether you're her or here, welcome :)
15:04:54 <kparal> it seems it will be a very private meeting :)
15:05:53 <tflink> well, the meeting notice wasn't sent out that long ago
15:06:49 * tflink will wait ~ 4 more minutes before starting since there aren't many here yet
15:07:03 * jsmith is lurking
15:09:44 <tflink> alrighty, lets get going
15:09:54 <tflink> #topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up
15:10:06 <tflink> OK, I see two things from last week
15:10:40 <tflink> #info python-yourls has still (STILL?!) not been built
15:11:10 <kparal> where's the catch?
15:11:15 <tflink> #action tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this
15:11:33 <tflink> kparal: no catch, really. I have everything committed and it keeps falling off my todo list
15:11:39 <kparal> ok
15:11:44 <kparal> happens to me all the time
15:12:22 <tflink> I wish I had a rawhide machine to test on, though. time to try updating a F16 VM again
15:12:30 <tflink> the other one is an item for adamw
15:12:41 <tflink> which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened yet for similar reasons
15:13:04 <tflink> #info release criteria proposals have not been sent out to test@
15:13:33 <tflink> I know that if they aren't done by friday, we'll be drafting some up at the blocker review meeting on friday
15:13:49 <tflink> since there are a couple of bugs that we feel should be blockers but don't have criteria
15:13:55 <tflink> mostly i18n bugs
15:14:46 <tflink> #action adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@
15:14:58 <tflink> ok, is there anything else that I'm missing?
15:15:11 <kparal> nothing I can see
15:15:17 <tflink> cool
15:15:29 <tflink> #topic Final TC/RC Schedule
15:15:58 <tflink> to be honest, I'm not 100% sure what adam had in mind for this, but I can go over what I do know
15:16:15 <tflink> #info Final TC1 Scheduled for 2011-10-13
15:16:29 <kparal> I read this:
15:16:31 <kparal> Test 'Final' Test Compose (TC)	Mon 2011-10-17
15:16:35 <kparal> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
15:16:38 <tflink> Since it seemed to go well for beta, we're going to push up the TC scedule by a week
15:16:45 <kparal> great
15:16:51 <tflink> s/scedule/schedule
15:17:16 <tflink> it doesn't affect any other deadlines, just gives us the first compose to start testing a week earlier than we would otherwise have it
15:17:39 <kparal> better for us
15:18:04 <tflink> I think that we're expecting new builds for anaconda and lorax for final TC1 but I'm not 100% sure what else we're hoping for
15:18:26 <tflink> IIRC, the deadline is tomorrow night (some US timezone)
15:18:50 <tflink> for packages
15:19:22 * jskladan joins
15:19:33 <tflink> jskladan: welcome!
15:19:44 <jskladan> sorry for the delay
15:20:02 <tflink> jskladan: no worries
15:20:16 <tflink> That's about all I know about the TC/RC schedule
15:20:24 <tflink> anyone have additional information?
15:21:05 * tflink assumes silence => no
15:21:11 <kparal> correct
15:21:18 <tflink> #topic Criteria Revisions
15:21:49 <tflink> OK, I know that we have several proposed changes to the final release criteria that either have been or will be proposed in the next week
15:22:23 <tflink> One of them that we've been kicking around for a while now is about Xen
15:22:33 <tflink> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-September/103127.html
15:22:44 <tflink> continued with
15:22:50 <tflink> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-October/103242.html
15:23:22 <tflink> are there any thoughts here about final Blocker/NTH for Xen issues?
15:23:25 <kparal> the problem is... I have zero knowledge of Xen
15:23:42 <tflink> kparal: for testing or commenting on the criteria?
15:23:56 <kparal> both
15:24:13 <kparal> so I can't really comment on that, if I don't know what DomU is :)
15:24:47 <tflink> my thoughts on it are: it's hard to fix Xen DomU (guest) install issues after release
15:25:13 <tflink> xen DomU => guest OS
15:25:22 <kparal> btw why exactly are we again supporting Xen?
15:25:26 <tflink> xen Dom0 => Virtualization Host
15:25:50 <tflink> kparal: the required stuff for Dom0 was accepted upstream into the kernel
15:25:59 <tflink> so custom kernels aren't required any more
15:26:17 <kparal> ah, that's nice
15:26:21 <kparal> ok
15:27:08 <tflink> having choice is good, too :)
15:28:02 <tflink> but I'm thinking that we don't quite have enough people here to vote on criteria changes
15:28:19 <kparal> certainly not this one
15:28:32 <jsmith> +1
15:28:50 <tflink> jsmith: +1 to not voting or +1 to the criteria
15:29:12 * maxamillion is here ... late but here
15:29:32 <tflink> I think that the last place we left the xen criteria modification was to take it to devel@ and see if we could get more input
15:30:08 <tflink> the current thought being that if there were no big objections, we would make Xen DomU support NTH for F16 Final
15:30:24 <tflink> maxamillion: welcome to the party!
15:30:33 <kparal> it's kind of late for full-fledged blocker anyway, isn't it?
15:30:34 <maxamillion> thanks :D
15:31:10 <tflink> kparal: maybe but I don't think that there are any potential xen related blockers that aren't being worked on ATM
15:31:30 <maxamillion> tflink: the only thing I think might be an issue there is users of services like Amazon EC2, Linode, Rackspace cloud, etc ... because I think they are all Xen based
15:31:34 <tflink> I'm only aware of 1 real issue with guests and 1 or two with the hosts
15:31:59 <tflink> maxamillion: true but we're still not sure if generic DomU support in fedora will help with the support of those services
15:32:23 <maxamillion> tflink: ah, fair point ... they do generally roll their own images
15:32:44 <tflink> #action tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@
15:32:53 <tflink> we do need to be voting on these soon, though
15:33:08 <tflink> as kparal said, it's starting to get a bit late to be accepting new release criteria
15:33:13 <maxamillion> tflink: is the dom0 working? I know that's a feature page somewhere ... imo it would be odd to offer dom0 but not domU, but in similar respect I don't really have a dog in this fight so NTH is +1 on my end
15:33:39 <tflink> maxamillion: there are a couple of bugs left but there are workarounds
15:33:47 <maxamillion> tflink: rgr
15:34:11 <tflink> and some fixes being worked out
15:34:21 <maxamillion> +1 for Xen domU being NTH
15:34:42 <tflink> same here, but I think that we still need more input before accepting it
15:35:01 <maxamillion> fair
15:35:14 <tflink> I know that there is at least 1 other release criteria modification coming
15:35:29 <tflink> since there are a couple of bad i18n bugs still in F16
15:36:18 <tflink> but I think that's about it for release criteria stuff
15:36:40 <tflink> #topic Upcoming QA Events
15:36:56 * jsmith thinks we need more feedback as well
15:37:03 <tflink> #info Fedora Packager for Eclipse Test Day - 2011-10-13
15:37:25 <tflink> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-13_Fedora_Packager_for_Eclipse
15:37:52 <tflink> This looks well prepared and ready to go
15:38:28 <tflink> #info Cloud SIG Test Day - 2011-10-20
15:38:48 <tflink> no link yet
15:39:24 <tflink> #action tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination
15:39:54 <tflink> unless someone else wants that  :)
15:40:16 <tflink> I had already been talking to them about it, figured that I would continue
15:40:49 <tflink> nirik: is a proventesters meeting planned for wednesday?
15:41:03 <nirik> yep.
15:41:14 <nirik> not sure how much progress we are making, but people seemed ok to meet again.
15:41:21 <tflink> #info Proventesters Meeting - 2011-10-12
15:41:43 <tflink> cool, thanks
15:41:54 <tflink> kparal: feel like doing a quick AutoQA update?
15:42:13 <kparal> is there some update?
15:42:36 <maxamillion> nirik: any particular points in proventesters land you feel we need large strides of progress on?
15:42:39 <tflink> kparal: not a whole lot to say, I suppose :)
15:42:52 <tflink> we'll skip it for this week
15:42:59 <kparal> I can say a few words
15:43:09 <tflink> #topic AutoQA Status
15:43:14 <tflink> #chair kparal
15:43:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: kparal tflink
15:43:19 <nirik> maxamillion: well, Ideally I would like to see more recruitment... if we had a slightly bigger pool we might be able to do better on critpath updates...
15:43:22 <kparal> first of all, autoqa-results is dead at the moment
15:43:31 <maxamillion> nirik: ah, yes ... agreed
15:43:37 <kparal> it has been shut off because it generated a lot of email traffic
15:43:41 <maxamillion> nirik: tough sell though :/
15:43:48 <kparal> we will have to reduce the traffic in order to continue using that
15:43:50 <tflink> #info autoqa-results@ has been disabled due to excess traffic slowing down the list server
15:43:54 <maxamillion> which reminds me ... need to fire up some easy-karma once I get home
15:44:16 <kparal> the second update is that initscripts test was removed from autoqa
15:44:38 <kparal> more and more services are transitioned to systemd
15:44:43 <tflink> #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will show up in next update
15:44:58 <kparal> and there has been problems with initscripts we would have to solve if we wanted to continue running it
15:45:15 <tflink> hrm, my #info was poorly worded
15:45:18 <tflink> #undo
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15:45:25 <kparal> :)
15:45:35 <tflink> #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will be removed from production at the next AutoQA update
15:45:45 <kparal> actually it is disabled already
15:45:52 <kparal> for a week or two
15:45:55 <tflink> oh, I didn't know that
15:46:05 <tflink> third time's the charm ...
15:46:09 <tflink> #undo
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15:46:22 <kparal> bcz of this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/380
15:46:32 <tflink> #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa source and disabled in production
15:46:42 <kparal> *thumbs up*
15:46:57 <kparal> that's all from autoqa
15:47:05 <tflink> kparal: cool, thanks for the update
15:47:06 <kparal> afaik
15:47:16 <tflink> that makes two of us :)
15:47:27 <tflink> #topic Open Discussion
15:47:49 <tflink> OK, is there something that anyone wants to discuss?
15:48:15 * tflink wonders if he could make that question any less specific, will try harder for next time
15:49:04 <robatino> is there going to be testing for the security spin?
15:49:15 <tflink> not sure
15:49:22 <robatino> i've been making the test pages and including them in announcements, no activity so far
15:49:32 <tflink> athmane doesn't seem to be here ATM
15:50:04 <maxamillion> robatino: I can do some testing, are you interested in hosting a test day for it or just curious if anyone was testing it currently?
15:50:10 <maxamillion> or $other?
15:50:24 <robatino> i was just wondering if i should continue making test pages and announcing it
15:51:12 <maxamillion> ah ... can't really speak to that
15:51:21 * athmane is back
15:51:42 <tflink> athmane: do you know if anyone is planning to work on the security spin test matrix?
15:52:01 <tflink> robatino was wondering if he should continue to announce it and create the wiki pages
15:52:28 <athmane> the isos were not available
15:52:37 <tflink> oh
15:53:28 <tflink> athmane: do you know if any particular bugs were a problem or is this an issue with getting it spun?
15:54:16 <athmane> I think only 4 desktop spin are available in alpha/beta stages
15:54:55 <tflink> good point, for some reason I thought that we spun everything for beta
15:55:49 <tflink> so I think that the conclusion is: yes, there will be testing once an image is available to test
15:57:09 <robatino> ok, so i'll continue as usual, the test page will need to be edited to include the download link when that's available
15:57:38 <tflink> will the security spin be created with any of the final TC/RC?
15:59:26 * athmane can't recall
15:59:57 <tflink> I guess we'll find out on thursday if all else fails
16:00:18 <tflink> any other topics to cover?
16:00:27 * tflink sets fuse for 5 minutes
16:03:00 <maxamillion> tflink: thanks for another great meeting! :D (sorry for my blatant lack of punctualtiy)
16:03:07 <maxamillion> and my lack of ability to type ... >.>
16:03:23 <tflink> maxamillion: np, thanks for coming
16:03:29 <tflink> time is relative ... :-D
16:03:33 <maxamillion> ;)
16:03:51 <tflink> alrighty, I'm changing my mind about the whole 5 minutes thing
16:04:05 <tflink> Thanks for coming everyone!
16:04:14 <kparal> thanks
16:04:23 <maxamillion> thanks!
16:04:24 * tflink will send out minutes shortly
16:04:27 <tflink> #endmeeting