16:00:51 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:00:55 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
16:00:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
16:01:00 <adamw> #topic roll call
16:01:07 * tflink is here
16:01:19 <adamw> morning, tflink
16:01:24 * j_dulaney is distracted by hot girl with red purple hair
16:01:37 * pschindl is here
16:01:38 * kparal is unfortunately not distracted
16:01:39 * mkrizek is here
16:02:08 <adamw> #chair tflink
16:02:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tflink
16:02:15 <adamw> #chair kparal
16:02:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink
16:02:39 * jskladan was distracted by ponies, but eluded the mighty creatures
16:02:43 <j_dulaney> Hmm, are they the smart ones for leaving?
16:02:48 * adamw is distracted by the snow report
16:03:02 <j_dulaney> No snow here!
16:03:06 <adamw> 25cm...why the hell am I down here
16:03:12 <adamw> you people don't deserve me, damnit
16:03:23 <adamw> :P
16:03:24 <j_dulaney> And it is *supposed* to be in the 60s tomorrow
16:03:29 <j_dulaney> adamw:  Where is 'here'
16:03:36 <adamw> the 60s are over, man, get with the times
16:03:40 <adamw> j_dulaney: sea level.
16:03:42 <tflink> wow, I didn't realize that we were in the presense of such greatness
16:03:59 <adamw> tflink: you visionless fools!
16:04:00 <j_dulaney> adamw:  But, I like the music
16:04:21 * j_dulaney cranks the Jefferson Airplane just to spite adamw
16:04:22 * maxamillion is here
16:04:32 <j_dulaney> Whatup, brah?
16:04:43 <maxamillion> not much, been absent for far too long :/
16:04:56 <adamw> heya max
16:05:03 <adamw> yeah, you have. you're fired!
16:05:28 <maxamillion> adamw: o noes!
16:05:37 * adamw starts the week off right
16:05:41 <maxamillion> :P
16:05:47 <adamw> i love the smell of downsizing in the morning...
16:06:10 <j_dulaney> Well, if you want to do all the work yourself ...
16:06:11 <maxamillion> ha!
16:06:21 * j_dulaney quits!
16:06:22 <adamw> alrighty
16:06:25 <j_dulaney> You can't fire me!
16:06:34 <adamw> oh, just you watch
16:06:34 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:07:11 <adamw> hah, well you can all fire me now
16:07:17 <adamw> cos i had three action items last week and i'm 0 for 3
16:07:43 <adamw> #info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow
16:07:54 <adamw> #info nope, didn't get to it yet, sorry
16:08:03 <adamw> #info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17
16:08:07 <adamw> #info ditto, still working on that one
16:08:24 <adamw> #info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how to use pjones' check-iso-is-bootable too
16:08:29 <adamw> #info and once more...not done yet
16:08:33 <adamw> so that's a job well done
16:08:41 <adamw> #info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa
16:08:46 <adamw> how'd you get on with that, tim?
16:08:51 <tflink> fail on that one, I forgot
16:09:03 <kparal> I haven't seen lmacken on IRC last week
16:09:12 <kparal> I was wondering whether he has vacation or something
16:09:20 <kparal> I guess noone knows?
16:09:34 <kparal> ah, he's here right now
16:09:46 <kparal> interesting, forget my comment
16:09:53 <adamw> alrighty
16:10:05 <adamw> #info tflink didn't get around to that yet
16:10:22 <adamw> 0 for 4! it's like we're mike piazza or something.
16:10:42 <adamw> alrighty, since we did such a great job there, let's move right on to the next topic
16:10:58 <adamw> #topic Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow
16:11:10 <adamw> so, this vaguely touches on us, though it'd really be more bugzappers stuff officially
16:11:16 <adamw> did people see the thread on the devel list?
16:11:27 <adamw> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161370.html
16:11:35 <tflink> it rings a bell, but I'm not sure that I actually read it
16:11:36 * j_dulaney saw it
16:11:44 <j_dulaney> At least, a little
16:11:59 * j_dulaney scans to see if he missed anything
16:12:03 <adamw> #info sgallagh proposed that the CLOSED UPSTREAM resolution be dropped
16:12:16 <adamw> just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that
16:12:44 <adamw> i mostly wrote the current page...my concern with the suggestion is it won't stop developers doing what they're doing now anyway, they'll just use a less accurate bugzilla status to describe it.
16:12:53 <adamw> so i doubt it'll get sgallagh where he wants to be.
16:13:17 <adamw> but just on its merits, it wouldn't be a horrible change.
16:13:35 <j_dulaney> Don't axe the whole upstream thing
16:13:43 <j_dulaney> Just don't make it closed
16:13:47 <j_dulaney> If that makes sense
16:14:10 <adamw> there is an Upstream keyword you can use too
16:14:23 <adamw> dunno if that's been pointed out in the thread yet
16:14:32 <adamw> still, devs who want to close a bug are going to close it, one way or the other, i think.
16:15:13 <j_dulaney> True
16:15:43 <adamw> anyone else have thoughts?
16:17:03 <adamw> i guess not then
16:17:44 <adamw> #agreed group doesn't overly mind the proposal either way
16:17:48 <adamw> that was easy enough.
16:18:08 <adamw> #topic Upcoming QA events
16:18:25 <adamw> see http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-quality-tasks.html !
16:18:45 <adamw> so things start heating up for f17 this week
16:18:59 <adamw> the first RATS is supposed to be going on right now (though note the built images seem to be non-bootable)
16:19:13 <adamw> we have the second RATS run scheduled for thursday, and the first blocker review scheduled for friday
16:19:26 <adamw> so everyone get ready for that, and try and finish off your pre-alpha tasks soon if you have 'em
16:19:33 <kparal> when you talk about RATS...
16:19:43 <adamw> yeah?
16:19:43 <kparal> do you mean rats_install test from autoqa?
16:20:11 <adamw> more or less
16:20:21 <kparal> old or new version?
16:20:24 <kparal> because I am working with honqging on that one
16:20:36 <adamw> whichever one works? :)
16:20:52 <kparal> I reviewed that and found some issues, but hongqing unfortunately went on holiday
16:20:52 <kparal> I believe the old one will not work
16:20:59 <adamw> the intent is that we get an image and run it through the rats test to see if it's vaguely bootable/installable
16:21:09 <adamw> ah. yeah. chinese new year. i really should've taken that one into account.
16:21:16 <kparal> and the new one might
16:21:32 <adamw> still, good news is we already know the image isn't bootable, that was established on list
16:21:38 <adamw> so it's kind of academic
16:21:39 <kparal> he'll be back Feb 1
16:21:41 <adamw> yeah
16:21:50 <kparal> ok then
16:22:09 <adamw> would you mind trying to run new rats again with new image on thursday?
16:22:20 <adamw> then the following week we have a full TC scheduled, so no more RATS-ing.
16:22:27 <kparal> yeah, just ping me
16:22:44 <adamw> okay
16:23:21 <adamw> the rats thing is bad process as we never documented it, we made a start but then i proposed replacing all rats runs with TCs, maybe for f18 we'll just do that since dgilmore apparently finds it just as easy to spin up a full TC as a single image for RATS testing anyway.
16:23:36 * maxamillion reads backscroll because co-worker is apparently on a mission to thwart his participation in this meeting
16:23:57 <j_dulaney> maxamillion:  He's on a mission from God
16:24:13 <adamw> heh
16:24:22 * j_dulaney wonders if the first TC will be death
16:24:37 <adamw> #info first rats testing image is non-bootable, second will arrive thursday and kparal will attempt to rats test it
16:24:44 <adamw> j_dulaney: always the question
16:25:45 <adamw> and yup, blocker meeting this friday, bring your popcorn
16:26:18 <adamw> okay, moving along...
16:26:22 <adamw> forgot to put this on the schedule, but:
16:26:25 <adamw> #topic autoqa update
16:26:34 <adamw> what's the news, kparal?
16:27:20 <kparal> not as much this week. most kudos go to mkrizek this time. he fixed occasional depcheck crash and also fixed watchers being stuck for eternity sometimes
16:27:44 <kparal> I reviewed hongqing's rats_install patch twice and pointed out some problems
16:28:01 <adamw> #info occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek
16:28:03 <kparal> I can fix some of them but there's at least one hard issue that will require quite some work
16:28:15 <adamw> #info kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch
16:29:00 <kparal> in the meantime I'm working on centralized configuration class for autoqa. expect more this week
16:29:08 <kparal> and that's all I know
16:29:10 <kparal> anyone else?
16:29:50 <adamw> #info kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa
16:29:53 <adamw> tflink_: any news?
16:30:05 <tflink_> adamw: not on autoqa, no
16:30:41 <dgilmore> adamw: i have to run exactly the same commands to make a full dvd iso set as i do to just make a boot.iso
16:31:12 <adamw> alrighty
16:31:23 <adamw> movin' right along, then
16:31:25 <adamw> #topic open floor
16:31:52 <adamw> anyone got any other issues of concern?
16:31:56 <kparal> dgilmore: will there be regular boot.iso composes after f17 branches?
16:32:02 <kparal> like daily
16:32:04 <j_dulaney> adamw I do
16:32:27 <dgilmore> kparal: yes
16:32:36 <dgilmore> kparal: we make boot.iso for branched
16:32:42 <dgilmore> kparal: but never for rawhide
16:32:45 <kparal> great, that's important for rats_install test to have sense
16:32:52 <adamw> yeah.
16:33:00 <adamw> #info there will be regular boot.iso composes after branching
16:33:04 <adamw> j_dulaney: what's your topic?
16:33:15 <j_dulaney> adamw:  It seems that I'm not getting emails from Trac
16:33:23 <j_dulaney> At least, some of them
16:33:42 <j_dulaney> I've had several people poke me, wondering why I was ignoring test day tickets
16:33:52 <j_dulaney> And I did not know of their existance
16:33:55 <adamw> ah
16:34:04 <adamw> i don't think you'd get a personal mail automatically, it's not hooked up that way
16:34:14 <adamw> you'd have to watch test list for new tickets and cc yourself on them]
16:34:29 * j_dulaney is subscribed to test list
16:34:31 <adamw> i do see all the requests in the test list history, i think
16:34:43 <tflink_> adamw: really, I get 2 emails for every trac ticket that is assigned to me or that I reported
16:34:45 <j_dulaney> I'd been getting them automagically that way
16:34:57 <adamw> tflink_: test day requests won't be assigned to j_dulaney automatically, though
16:35:02 <adamw> so he'll just get the test list mail at first
16:35:03 <tflink_> good point
16:35:08 <kparal> correct
16:35:16 <kparal> just create a mail filter j_dulaney
16:35:21 <j_dulaney> Hmm
16:35:28 <j_dulaney> kparal:  Already have one
16:35:37 <j_dulaney> I'll just poke it and see what pops out
16:36:19 <adamw> is there a specific ticket you can give as an example that you didn't get a mail for?
16:36:25 <adamw> then i can check the ml archive and see if one was sent
16:36:48 * j_dulaney looks
16:38:11 <j_dulaney> 276
16:38:50 <kparal> j_dulaney: it's in the test list. Jan 20
16:38:59 <adamw> yeah
16:39:02 <j_dulaney> Must have been a fluke in the Interwebz is all I can think of
16:39:06 <adamw> but that's the only one i see that you haven't responded to
16:39:09 <adamw> so i don't think you've missed a lot
16:40:12 <j_dulaney> Dunno
16:40:19 <j_dulaney> The Interwebz have failed me
16:40:22 <adamw> heh
16:40:29 <adamw> WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT
16:40:38 <adamw> you can always just check through the web interface for anything you missed
16:40:55 <adamw> they're all under 'test day release' at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/report/9 i think
16:41:17 <j_dulaney> Righteo
16:41:51 <adamw> anything else for open floor, folks?
16:42:13 * j_dulaney is done
16:43:21 <adamw> alrighty then
16:43:44 <adamw> let's try and get the pre-alpha stuff rounded up soon (I know I still have stuff to do there...) and get prepped for f17 testing (yay)
16:43:47 <adamw> thanks everyone
16:43:50 <adamw> #endmeeting