16:01:09 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 16:01:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 30 16:01:09 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:12 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa 16:01:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 16:01:15 <adamw> #topic roll call 16:01:20 * kparal is here 16:01:21 <adamw> hands up if you're not here! 16:01:22 * tflink is present 16:01:33 * tflink raises his hand, too :) 16:01:34 * jskladan still here 16:01:39 <haraldh> <- 16:01:39 * mkrizek here 16:01:48 * pschindl is here 16:02:07 <kay> \o 16:02:10 <adamw> wow, full house 16:02:11 <haraldh> no hands, no chocolate 16:02:11 <adamw> hi kay 16:02:21 * Cerlyn is here 16:02:48 <adamw> #topic previous meeting follow-up 16:02:56 <brunowolff> I'll watch for a bit, but need to go to a meeting in about 25 minutes. 16:03:07 <adamw> so, we don't actually have any action items from last week, but we DO have ones from the previous week which didn't get done 16:03:51 <adamw> #info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow: now done, see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/277 16:04:15 <adamw> #info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17: i've made some progress on that, still need to do some more digging 16:04:48 <adamw> #info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how we want to use pjones' el torito boot checker: also done, we have a thread going 16:05:11 <adamw> tflink: you have "tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa", any news on that? 16:05:23 <pjones> We do? 16:05:50 <tflink> didn't need to, backwards compatibility is planned - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/2.0#Well_tested_and_well_documented_RESTful_API 16:06:29 <tflink> unless I misunderstood the purpose of contacting him 16:06:41 <adamw> pjones: yeah, "Using pjones' El Torito checker in QA" 16:07:00 <adamw> tflink: i believe that was the purpose, yeah, so that's probably okay 16:07:11 <pjones> adamw: I haven't seen anybody say anything in like 6 days... 16:07:13 <adamw> tflink: oh, or was there also an angle of 'what does autoqa need in the new bodhi'? 16:07:27 <adamw> pjones: hey, the action item was to start the thread, the thread's started. i've been meaning to reply to it again 16:07:49 <pjones> okay. 16:07:51 <tflink> adamw: that's what I wasn't sure of but to be honest, I'm not sure there is a whole lot of point to that conversation until bodhi 2.0 is closer to release 16:07:59 <kparal> pjones: I hope the chinese will respond once they are back from holidays 16:08:17 <kparal> hongqing is the best one to talk to here 16:08:27 <adamw> oh, yeah, that's a point - hongqing and twu are out till early feb, chinese new year. 16:08:49 <adamw> okay, we have a packed agenda, so moving on 16:09:19 <adamw> #info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa: bodhi 2.0 is listed as having backwards compatibility, so autoqa should continue to work 16:09:35 <adamw> #topic Fedora 17 status 16:09:58 <adamw> kparal: did you get anywhere with the second rats image? 16:10:10 <kparal> adamw: it's in your mailbox 16:10:14 <kparal> basically 16:10:37 <kparal> DVD images do not boot: 16:10:37 <kparal> http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png 16:10:43 <kparal> netinst images boot and install just fine 16:10:49 <kparal> direct kernel boot fails 16:10:56 <kparal> and the same happens for rats_install test 16:11:09 <kparal> [ 5.636733] dracut: FATAL: No or empty root= argument 16:11:10 <kparal> [ 5.637992] dracut: Refusing to continue 16:11:25 <adamw> that looks like an image/dracut bug, not a rats bug> 16:11:26 <adamw> ? 16:11:30 <kparal> yes 16:11:34 <haraldh> kparal, "no or empty root=" is not a dracut bug 16:11:43 <kparal> what's the problem in there? 16:11:57 <kparal> if was not required for f16 16:11:58 <haraldh> no "root=..." is specified on the kernel command line 16:12:17 <haraldh> check grub.conf 16:12:23 <haraldh> or syslinux.cfg 16:12:31 <haraldh> or whatever bootloader you are using 16:12:38 <adamw> hi john 16:12:39 <kparal> I used this command 16:12:41 <kparal> virt-install --name Foo --ram 1024 --disk /dev/vg/Foo,size=10 --location http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20120127/Fedora/i386/os/ --arch=i386 --extra-args "console=ttyS0 serial lang=en keymap=us ksdevice=link ks=http://kparal.usersys.redhat.com:8000/f16-minimal.ks ip=dhcp ipv6=auto vnc" --nographics 16:12:46 <j_dulaney> Sorry I'm late, class ran over 16:13:18 <kparal> I don't understand why should I specify 'root=...' 16:14:07 <haraldh> kparal, well, well 16:14:43 <kparal> we can discuss post-meeting. anyway this is the current situation for rats_install 16:14:52 <kparal> we can fix it if it is our issue 16:15:12 <haraldh> I don't know what virt-install does.. sorry... 16:15:21 <kparal> or report bug in virt-install 16:15:30 <adamw> #info manual install of rats #2 boot.iso works, DVD image does not boot, rats_install run hits a dracut / virt-install issue with boot parameters 16:15:31 <kparal> because we use that internally inside rats_install 16:15:45 <adamw> still, we get some useful status info, which is the object of the rats tests 16:15:52 <adamw> did you file a bug for the dvd install failure to boot? 16:15:58 <kparal> not yet 16:16:16 * j_dulaney notes also the nightly from Friday does not boot 16:16:29 <adamw> #action kparal to file a bug for the failure of rats #2 DVD image to boot 16:17:48 <adamw> j_dulaney: the nightly live? hum. similar bug to kparal's? 16:17:57 <adamw> j_dulaney: http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png 16:18:06 <j_dulaney> adamw: Indeed 16:18:23 <j_dulaney> What exactly was kparal's bug? 16:18:52 <kparal> DVD boot produces that output as you see in that image 16:19:36 <j_dulaney> adamw: +1 16:19:59 <adamw> okay 16:20:11 <adamw> so seems like another dracut-ish thing 16:20:17 <j_dulaney> Let me modify 16:20:32 <j_dulaney> I get the udev stuff, but it doesn't go any further than that, seems to lock up 16:20:45 <j_dulaney> But, the udev error is the same 16:20:54 <haraldh> Nightly live seems to boot... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=766955#c30 16:20:58 * maxamillion is here ... late but here 16:22:12 <adamw> haraldh: well, *that* bug was fixed, yeah. if everyone hits what j_dulaney says, this is something new or it's regressed somehow. 16:22:17 <adamw> but we'll have to check. 16:22:51 <kay> the udev multipath stuff there is just a warning, nothing else 16:23:18 <maxamillion> silly $dayjob ... I'll by only half-here because of a conference call I'm on, but I did want to try and partake in the fun :) 16:23:38 <maxamillion> kay: apologies for missing it, but what udev multipath stuff? 16:23:58 <adamw> maxamillion: we're looking at boot issues with current f17 images. 16:24:04 <j_dulaney> kay: If it was but a warning, it should continue to boot, but it doesn't 16:24:21 <kay> maxamillion: oh, just the warning in the png mentioned above: http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png 16:24:25 <adamw> so it looks like we should ensure a bug gets filed for the rats #2 DVD boot fail, and get a few others to check the latest nightly's bootableness 16:24:40 <adamw> so if you haven't tried booting a nightly recently - grab one and see what happens 16:24:42 <maxamillion> kay: ah ok 16:24:48 * j_dulaney is downloading the newest one 16:24:48 <maxamillion> adamw: rgr 16:24:48 <adamw> if that's consistently broken, we'll need another bug 16:25:14 <kay> j_dulaney: yeah, the warning should not be the reason for any failure 16:25:17 <adamw> okay, that about covers the status of current isos 16:25:26 <adamw> kparal: thanks for working on rats 16:25:34 <kparal> my pleasure 16:25:44 <adamw> I also mentioned on the agenda "Retrospective tasks still needing action" - i just took a quick look through the list and they're mostly closed or well in progress 16:25:55 <j_dulaney> kay: The vm goes idle after the udev warning and nothing else happens 16:25:56 <maxamillion> it would appear the latest nightly job is still open in koji ... 16:26:00 <adamw> the one that isn't is assigned to hongqing, so hopefully will get worked on after cny 16:26:16 <adamw> #info retrospective tasks are mostly completed or well-advanced 16:26:36 <adamw> alright 16:26:39 <adamw> anything further on f17 status? 16:26:44 <j_dulaney> maxamillion: I'm downloading the latest completed one 16:28:02 <maxamillion> j_dulaney: rgr, was just an observation ... I would have thought the compose would be done by now 16:28:07 <kay> j_dulaney: the warning is just a printf, nothing else: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=430959910f1b9b67c2553f5f46c0487b0f8a3a00 16:28:52 <adamw> #topic /usr move feature and testing 16:29:12 <adamw> alrighty, thanks to kay for coming along for this bit of the meeting 16:29:44 <adamw> for anyone who's not aware: one of the big f17 features, moving things from /bin and /lib and so on into /usr , is in the process of landing at present 16:29:50 <kay> adamw: sure, no problem 16:29:51 <j_dulaney> kay: Roger 16:29:53 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove 16:30:07 <j_dulaney> So, I'm probably hitting something else 16:30:09 <maxamillion> UsrMove ftw! 16:30:19 <adamw> right now the builds that implement the changes are available in a rawhide tag, and there's a post on the list (cross-posted to -devel) explaining how to test them 16:30:49 <adamw> first question, are we worried about the timing of when this is landing, from a qa perspective? there has been some suggestion it should have happened sooner, though nothing in the feature process requires this 16:30:53 <kay> j_dulaney: but we updated rawhide's udev last night with a fix for sme other lvm issue, maybe it affects the live stuff too ... 16:31:12 <adamw> personally i'm not hugely worried, we still have considerable time even to alpha tc1. i'm more worried when big things land in the middle of beta. 16:31:19 <adamw> anyone else have thoughts? 16:31:34 <j_dulaney> kay: This was from Friday, I'm just now downloading the latest nightly 16:31:38 <tflink> do we want to wait until we at least have working RATS images before the usrMove stuff lands? 16:32:18 <j_dulaney> adamw: Hard to test if I don't have any working rawhide 16:32:39 <adamw> j_dulaney: heh, true. 16:32:44 * j_dulaney thinks the boot issues really ought to get some attention 16:32:55 <haraldh> adamw, I think the "sooner" comment was about releng and the rpm issue... 16:32:58 <kparal> let them merge it asap, right? better sooner than later 16:33:09 <haraldh> kparal, yes 16:33:17 <adamw> kparal: in general, so long as it doesn't screw up alpha builds, yes 16:33:22 <maxamillion> I'm not worried, I've upgraded a virtual and a physical from F16 to rawhide with the change and had no real issue 16:33:30 <adamw> it does seem like initial tests are good 16:33:40 <j_dulaney> Hmm, kernel bug in Rawhide 16:33:43 <adamw> i would like to try and build a boot.iso with the updated packages and make sure it boots/installs 16:33:55 <maxamillion> adamw: +1 16:34:06 <tflink> adamw: that would be a minimum in my mind but would work 16:35:25 <adamw> tflink: do you mind giving that one a shot? 16:36:29 <tflink> adamw: sure, will do. are there any particular packages that you had in mind? 16:36:50 <j_dulaney> base, at the least 16:36:51 <adamw> just build a boot.iso exactly as normal, but use packages from the rawhide tag 16:37:21 <tflink> oh, you meant for usrMove. good thing I asked 16:37:22 <maxamillion> adamw: you mean the usrmove tag? 16:37:52 <adamw> maxamillion: yes 16:37:56 <tflink> so we're not concerned with getting something pre-usrMove working? 16:38:02 <maxamillion> adamw: k, just double checking 16:38:13 <adamw> tflink: according to kparal, rats #2 boot.iso *does* work, in a 'normal' boot 16:38:25 <adamw> though you may want to build it both ways, just to check the non-usrmove one boots 16:39:14 <tflink> k, I'll get started on that and will relay results 16:39:35 <adamw> cool. 16:39:45 <j_dulaney> tflink: If it *does* boot, can you put it up somewhere? 16:39:46 <adamw> #action tflink to test building a boot.iso with usrmove builds 16:40:07 <j_dulaney> tflink: Specifically, the usr move one 16:40:48 <adamw> okay, so it seems like we have enough results of a rawhide upgrade with the /usr move stuff to be happy that it broadly works 16:40:50 <tflink> j_dulaney: yeah, I was planning on it 16:41:06 <adamw> if we can build a boot.iso with the /usr move packages and have it working i think it'd be okay for the changes to be tagged into rawhide at that point 16:41:10 <adamw> what does everyone else think? 16:41:24 <j_dulaney> +1 16:41:26 * nirik notes there's a hold up with rpm on the builders. 16:41:42 <adamw> oh, goody. 16:42:04 <maxamillion> nirik: oh? 16:42:43 <nirik> this feature requires a change to rpm on the builders. rel-eng is not wanting to do that... I guess it will be discussed more in the fesco meeting later this morning. 16:42:44 <haraldh> yes, we need rpm in the builders to have a guard in filesystem ... to prevent user from shooting themselves in the foot 16:42:48 <adamw> #agreed testing of rawhide with /usr move packages so far is positive: if we can compose a working / installable boot.iso with /usr move packages, the feature can be tagged into rawhide 16:43:03 <haraldh> and installing F17 packages on an unconverted FS 16:43:41 <adamw> okay. that's not a QA issue, though, i don't think, so we can just keep an eye on fesco? 16:43:44 <haraldh> when we enable the guard in filesystem.spec, the builders rpm has to provide the requirement at runtime 16:43:48 <nirik> right, just thought I would mention it. 16:43:56 <maxamillion> nirik: ah 16:44:03 <maxamillion> nirik: thanks for the info :) 16:44:43 <haraldh> can FESCO kindly ask dgilmore to do the change to the builders? :-) 16:44:57 <j_dulaney> LOL 16:45:10 * kparal notes: DVD.iso boot problem reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785808 16:45:29 <adamw> #info issue with boot of rats #2 DVD iso reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785808 16:45:31 <adamw> thanks kparal! 16:45:38 <kparal> one more bug report to come 16:45:51 <adamw> alright, does anyone have any other concerns when it comes to the /usr move feature? 16:46:00 <adamw> ahem - *QA related* concerns 16:46:10 <adamw> filesystem philosophy can stay on the devel list :) 16:46:15 <maxamillion> nirik: is there a link to a doc somewhere about the changes needed? ... I'd be curious to read up on it a little 16:46:32 <j_dulaney> adamw: My bug is not related to kparal, after all 16:46:45 <j_dulaney> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785801 16:46:56 <j_dulaney> Turns out to be a Kernel bug 16:47:20 <nirik> maxamillion: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/690 16:47:29 <adamw> j_dulaney: cool. 16:47:32 <maxamillion> nirik: many thanks 16:48:03 <adamw> okay, moving on 16:48:07 <adamw> #topic upcoming events 16:48:34 <adamw> so, TC testing is slated to start tomorrow, we'll have to keep an eye on the /usr move stuff and decide whether to do tc1 with or without it 16:48:50 <adamw> we'll also need to have the DVD boot bug fixed at least 16:49:25 <kay> nirik: we just need a patched rpm, that has a guard active, so users can not install some converted f17 packages on f16 systems without converting the filesystem first 16:49:32 <j_dulaney> kay says that the bug I ran into *might* already be fixed; I'm checking into that 16:50:00 <adamw> we also have a blocker review meeting coming up on friday, of course 16:50:19 <tflink> yay! what would we do without blocker meetings? 16:50:20 <kay> nirik: the rpm patch is in f15,f16,f17 already, and approved for rhel6, but not in rhel6 released atm 16:50:32 <adamw> nothing much else upcoming this week 16:50:43 <nirik> kay: yes, I understand the issue. ;) 16:50:52 <kay> nirik: ok, cool 16:50:59 <adamw> #topic AutoQA update 16:51:04 <adamw> kparal: tflink: take the floor! 16:51:08 <adamw> #chair kparal 16:51:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal 16:51:11 <adamw> #chair tflink 16:51:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink 16:51:43 <kparal> ok, some updates 16:52:06 <kparal> mkrizek pushed a patch to make autoqa better retry failed/timed-out connections 16:52:12 <kparal> e.g. when downloading from koji 16:53:01 <kparal> I refactored rats_install test and fixed many problems. there is still at least one remaining that I know of 16:53:13 <kparal> but generally it seems to work (with F16) 16:53:23 * jskladan yay for better rats :) 16:53:33 * j_dulaney likes rats 16:53:37 <kparal> and that's all I know about for the last week 16:53:40 <adamw> squeee 16:53:40 <maxamillion> jskladan: so many things about that statement make me chuckle 16:54:41 <adamw> tflink: anything from your side? 16:55:05 <tflink> adamw: not really 16:55:15 <adamw> okie dokie 16:55:25 <adamw> #info mkrizek pushed a patch to make autoqa better retry failed/timed-out connections 16:55:34 <adamw> #info kparal refactored rats_install test and fixed many problems 16:55:41 <adamw> aaaand finally... 16:55:43 <adamw> #topic open floor 16:55:57 <adamw> anything else anyone wants to raise? anyone at all?! 16:56:11 * j_dulaney raises a Beefy Miracle 16:56:16 <robatino> anyone know why the RATS images are smaller than usual? 16:56:16 <kparal> #link virt-install boot issue reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785815 16:56:18 <j_dulaney> And eats it 16:56:35 <adamw> robatino: still clueless 16:56:45 <robatino> i noticed that the libreoffice langpacks are no longer included but that should only account for about half of it 16:57:38 <robatino> i could upload package lists for F16 and RATS2 if someone wants to go through them 16:58:10 <j_dulaney> Prior to the blocker meeting, I noticed that the way the KDE folks were tracking their stuff was causing everything KDE related to wind up on the blocker list; I fixed that and let the KDE folks know 16:58:19 <adamw> you could presumably cut off the version information, sort, and do a diff? 16:58:23 <j_dulaney> Just throwing that out there 16:58:33 <adamw> #info f17 images so far are mysteriously smaller than f16, we're not sure of the cause 16:58:49 <kparal> haraldh: can you please post some of your insight to bug 785815? 16:58:51 <adamw> j_dulaney: it's normal for KDE to have a blocker bug that blocks the main blocker. 16:59:04 <adamw> j_dulaney: they don't put all their bugs on there, only ones they actually consider release blocking. 16:59:27 <j_dulaney> adamw: They had everything in the world in there 16:59:41 <adamw> oh, kay. maybe they changed something. can you poke me with details? i didn't see this. 16:59:45 <j_dulaney> Feature requests, everything 17:00:15 <j_dulaney> adamw: I fixed it and got up with the KDE folks about it 17:00:29 <adamw> okay 17:00:49 <adamw> anything else for open floor? or shall we all go back to refreshing penny arcade^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H working? 17:01:40 * jskladan wants his pirate pig back 17:01:57 <adamw> i...you...what? 17:02:21 <jskladan> research on WebOS programming got me here :D http://enyojs.com/samples/piratepig/ 17:02:30 <jskladan> sooo, work & arcades, I say! 17:02:42 <kay> adamw: you meant okay not kay, right? 17:02:48 * kay has a name that gets unintentional highlighted some times :) 17:02:58 <adamw> kay: yeah :) 17:03:23 <twaugh> Is this where the FESCo meetings are? 17:03:23 <kay> o, kay :) 17:03:27 <j_dulaney> jskladan: I don't get it 17:03:36 <adamw> twaugh: it will be 17:03:45 <j_dulaney> twaugh: In an hour, I do believe 17:03:59 <twaugh> Where is the time advertised? 17:04:06 <twaugh> I'm looking at a page that says 1700 UTC 17:04:38 <adamw> okay, let's finish this sucker - thanks for coming, everyone 17:04:43 <adamw> #endmeeting