15:02:53 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:02:57 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:03:02 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:03:09 <adamw> ahoyhoy, folks, who's around for some QA meeting fun?
15:03:28 * kparal is here
15:03:30 * roshi is here
15:03:38 * pwhalen is here
15:03:40 * satellit listening
15:04:51 <adamw> round up the usual suspects, huh
15:05:30 <adamw> has anyone caught sight of the lesser-spotted flink lately?
15:05:43 <adamw> #chair satellit roshi
15:05:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw roshi satellit
15:05:48 <roshi> tflink is online, running another meeting
15:05:51 <roshi> qa-devel
15:06:16 * mkrizek is here
15:06:57 <adamw> oh, i didn't realize we conflicted.
15:07:08 <adamw> morning mkrizek
15:07:11 <roshi> just finished up
15:07:38 <adamw> alrighty
15:07:46 * tflink already said that he was here, not sure what else you were looking for :-P
15:08:02 <adamw> tflink: newp, not in my logs you didn't :P
15:08:17 <adamw> first topic: big vote of thanks to everyone who helped with Alpha validation
15:08:18 <tflink> [09:03:05] -*- tflink
15:09:05 <kparal> tflink: it seems your first comment was invisible :)
15:09:06 <adamw> tflink: logfight at the ok corral
15:09:25 <kparal> intercepted by NSA
15:09:46 * adamw looks around nervously
15:09:58 <adamw> #info thanks to all for Alpha validation work!
15:10:03 <adamw> #topic previous meeting follow-up
15:10:52 <adamw> #info "brunowolff to mark https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/squashfs-tools-4.3-8.fc21 as fixing blocker bug #1139015" - well, we did that and shipped it in RC1, question of whether it was causing the occasional broken image is not entirely clear, but it didn't break anything
15:11:24 <roshi> someone ran into that bug today
15:11:52 <roshi> c0rnel was getting pane is dead
15:12:13 <adamw> #info "sgallagh to run the netinst question by fesco ASAP" - he did that, and FESCo signed off on shipping with non-perfect netinsts: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1341
15:12:21 <adamw> roshi: hum, are we sure it's the same one?
15:12:34 <adamw> pane is dead *does* happen otherwise
15:12:40 <adamw> and do you know which image
15:12:41 <adamw> ?
15:12:49 <roshi> not sure, he's attaching logs to the bz
15:12:52 <adamw> cool
15:12:59 <roshi> RC1 workstation x86
15:13:10 <adamw> #info we may have sighted another case of #1139015 , standby for action
15:13:45 <adamw> welp, we'll deal with it as it comes
15:14:01 <satellit> I am using workstation netinstall RC-1 x86_64 on VB atm and it installed correctly this morning after full DE listing (chose workstation)
15:14:22 * danofsatx-work is here, busy building IPAserver
15:14:28 <adamw> satellit: thanks for the confirmation!
15:14:31 <adamw> danofsatx-work: yay ipa
15:14:42 * adamw loves IPA. IPA all the things.
15:15:26 <adamw> okey dokey
15:15:42 <adamw> #topic Fedora 21 Alpha pre-release prep
15:15:58 <adamw> so, we signed off on alpha, but there are still bits and pieces to do
15:16:13 <adamw> the commonbugs needs writing, of course - i'll start on that today, if anyone else wants to help out that'd be great
15:16:38 <adamw> #action adamw to start F21 Common Bugs page, help would be welcome, ping adamw for details
15:17:05 <adamw> i also have in the list 'double-check netinst behaviour', but it looks like satellit took care of that already :)
15:17:14 * pwhalen is working on ARM documentation
15:17:20 <adamw> if everyone could just keep an eye on it, that'd be great, though
15:17:22 <adamw> pwhalen: ++
15:17:59 <adamw> i also figured we should read through the Alpha release docs and check if there's anything we want to amend or add from our perspective
15:18:19 <adamw> the release announcement is drafted on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Alpha_release_announcement
15:19:28 <roshi> good idea
15:19:44 <adamw> so do take a look and see if you notice anything missing or needs adjusting; ping jzb (Joe Brockmeier), mattdm, jreznik or anyone like that with any changes
15:19:51 <adamw> (or if it's something trivial, just put it in)
15:20:39 <adamw> it should probably have a note about the netinst status
15:20:47 <adamw> i'll look after that...
15:20:59 <adamw> #action adamw to ensure 21 Alpha release announcement has note about network install behaviour
15:21:46 <satellit> maybe link to how to make a USB install stick (disks) etc
15:22:07 <adamw> satellit: the download page has those links - https://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
15:22:15 <satellit> sorry
15:22:17 <adamw> in the right-hand sidebar
15:22:20 <adamw> satellit: no problem :)
15:22:39 <jreznik> thanks adamw for CommonBugs, I was about to ask you :)
15:22:39 <adamw> though it links to the Doc page...i'd kinda prefer it linked to the wiki, but maybe i should just submit fixes for the Docs page...
15:22:50 <adamw> jreznik: np :)
15:23:38 <jreznik> I think Alpha announcement looks good, if you have anything, feel free to edit or let us know as adamw said, it only needs mail formatting... so deadline should be later today, it's prepared for tomorrow
15:23:51 <adamw> jreznik: main thing i see is to add something about netinst
15:24:05 <adamw> it's a bit surprising that whatever netinst you download, Cloud Server is the default package set :)
15:25:22 <adamw> last note i had for alpha is we need to karma up the packages that got sideloaded into the TCs/RC
15:25:29 <mattdm> yay cloud!
15:25:41 <adamw> mattdm: yes, it's all a cunning plan, I know ;)
15:26:10 <adamw> i'll send out a mail listing them later, but you can also use the 'current blocker' page for reference - http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current - and look at all the blockers/FEs still open, upkarma their updates
15:26:12 <mattdm> :) I had actually suggested not having that environment show up in anaconda at all (kickstart only) but, apparently, people like it.
15:26:30 <mattdm> anyway :)
15:27:12 <adamw> heh :)
15:27:31 <adamw> #info some 21 Alpha blocker/FE fixes still need to go stable, please provide karma! adam will send out status mail later
15:27:47 <adamw> did anyone have any other 21 Alpha notes? stuff we need to clean up before tomorrow?
15:28:45 <brunowolff> Yeah, I just noticed a reboot of the games live (RC1) hung up for long enough I powered the machine down.
15:30:14 <brunowolff> So far it is just one time. I was really testing a problem I was having with a web service and wanted a clean firefox setup to see if it was my account or my settings causing problems.
15:30:17 <adamw> brunowolff: that's on shutting down from the live session?
15:30:39 <adamw> we have a couple of Mysterious Shutdown Slowness bugs floating around against systemd in bugzilla, iirc
15:30:59 <adamw> anyone else seen something like it?
15:31:02 <brunowolff> The desktop is XFCE and I did a logout and chose restart. It hung for at least 5 minutes before I gave up.
15:31:09 * adamw force-quits live images too often, so doesn't test shutdown a lot
15:31:16 <brunowolff> It was just about the time this meeting was starting.
15:31:29 <satellit_e> note SoaS collaboration is not functioning https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Alpha_TC7_Desktop#Sugar_.28non-blocking.2C_all_arches.29
15:31:32 <adamw> thanks for the heads-up, guess we can look into it, compare the stock xfce live
15:31:47 <adamw> satellit: is that worth a commonbugs note, would you say?
15:32:29 <brunowolff> So far it was just one instance on one computer. I can test some more later today.
15:32:29 <satellit> I guess not though it needs to be fixed by final
15:32:48 <adamw> satellit: ok, did you file a blocker?
15:33:20 <satellit> no I have not in BZ It is know in sugarlabs bugs I think
15:33:34 <satellit> known*
15:33:54 <adamw> if it needs fixing for final it'd be best to file a downstream bug and mark it as a final blocker
15:34:01 <satellit> k
15:34:08 <adamw> even if it's early...let's us deal with it early, or at least makes sure we don't forget about it later :)
15:34:09 <adamw> thanks!
15:35:44 * satellit gave TC7 link but same on RC-1
15:36:26 <adamw> satellit: that's fine i think
15:36:28 <brunowolff> It looks like only Games and Scientific have reported testing on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Spins . This is supposed to affect which spins get shipped.
15:36:54 <adamw> dgilmore: do you have plans to do filtering of spins?
15:37:00 <satellit> I tested MATE-Compiz
15:37:43 <adamw> the desktop spins do have testing in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Alpha_RC1_Desktop
15:37:51 <adamw> at least Xfce and MATE
15:38:19 <dgilmore> adamw: not for alpha, we did a terrible job of getting onto people and making sure they were tested
15:38:24 <dgilmore> adamw: but for Beta yes
15:40:17 <adamw> OK, so i guess action on releng to communicate need for testing
15:40:30 <satellit_e> LXDE in TC7
15:42:15 <adamw> ah, it got tested there? cool
15:42:22 <adamw> so someone's watching at least
15:42:26 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:42:36 <adamw> so I had a quick one here for roshi and pwhalen - what happened with ARM test day?
15:42:44 <adamw> the wiki page is a bit of a ghost down, failure to launch?
15:42:56 * kparal has one question as well
15:43:05 <roshi> it was decided to postpone it before I had even woken up :)
15:43:09 <pwhalen> adamw, we decided to postpone until after we had the new version of uboot
15:43:23 <adamw> pwhalen: ah OK, the page should be renamed/redirected/whatever then :)
15:43:29 <pwhalen> the purpose was to identify new boards we could support
15:43:40 <adamw> #info ARM Test Day has been delayed, wiki page will be updated
15:43:53 <adamw> #action roshi and pwhalen to update ARM Test Day page
15:44:06 <brunowolff> Any hope of using it on OXs yet?
15:44:11 <brunowolff> I mean Xos.
15:44:47 <pwhalen> brunowolff, I dont have one myself so I dont know the status
15:46:19 <brunowolff> Probably it doesn't yet. But I'd like to get off of Fedora 18 on it. (There is some other group working on F20 for it, but I don't think their stuff is ready yet either.)
15:49:13 <adamw> any other open floor business?
15:49:42 <kparal> I wanted to ask about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_to_SAS
15:49:53 <kparal> we basically waived SAS for Alpha
15:50:03 <kparal> but the test case in the installation matrix says Alpha
15:50:18 <kparal> the criteria say "'Locally connected storage interfaces' include PATA, SATA and SCSI."
15:50:42 <kparal> shouldn't we move it to a later stage or make it optional, then?
15:50:58 <adamw> we should probably Do Sometthing
15:51:03 <kparal> RIGHT
15:51:05 <adamw> but SAS is a locally connected storage interface
15:51:07 <kparal> ups
15:51:45 <kparal> I know, but if we consider it not important enough for Alpha, what's the point in keeping it in Alpha criteria?
15:52:10 <adamw> well it gets icky with trying to write a general criterion then except things one at a time...
15:52:38 <adamw> we can make it a bit hand-wavy, 'commonly used' or so
15:52:48 <kparal> we do exceptions often, right? "this is not common enough, so it doesn't fall into this"
15:54:10 <kparal> I don't know, I just wanted to say we should do something about it. if we're fine ignoring it for Alpha, it should not be marked as Alpha
15:54:27 <kparal> now I'm not talking about the criteria, but more about the target level in the installation matrix
15:54:39 <kparal> either bump it, or move it to Optional?
15:55:30 <kparal> some stuff is already in Optional that we would consider a blocker if there was a serious bug in it
15:55:31 <kparal> I think
15:56:18 <kparal> like "no swap partitioning"
15:57:23 <adamw> kparal: i'd like to sort of note that some testing is contingent on hardware availability somehow
15:57:26 <adamw> just not sure how we can format that
15:57:34 <adamw> i'm +1 in principle though...
15:58:12 <kparal> I don't want to prolong the meeting, just wanted to have some quick feedback
15:58:58 <roshi> +1 in principle and the note that we can't test hardware no one of us has
15:59:49 <adamw> let's see if we can think of a decent way to communicate it
16:00:04 <adamw> even just a ref. note next to the "Alpha" or something
16:01:17 <adamw> ok, that's it, i think!
16:01:20 <adamw> thanks for coming, folks :)
16:01:26 <adamw> anything else, speak now or forever...etc etc
16:01:50 * roshi has nothing extra
16:02:10 <adamw> alrighty then, go forth and test...
16:02:40 <adamw> thanks folks!
16:02:42 <adamw> #endmeeting