15:00:05 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:09 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:13 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:00:25 <adamw> ahoyhoy QA folks, who's around for some meeting fun
15:01:18 * pschindl is here
15:01:23 * satellit listening
15:02:40 * kparal is here
15:02:55 <adamw> morning everyone
15:02:59 <adamw> #chair kparal satellit
15:02:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal satellit
15:04:53 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:06 * tonghuix is here
15:05:22 <adamw> we don't have any formal action items from the last meeting to follow up on; was there any other follow-up that won't be covered in the agenda?
15:05:34 <adamw> (we have more or less the same agenda this time so it seems unlikely :>)
15:06:47 <adamw> ok, moving on
15:06:53 <adamw> #topic Fedora 22 Final test planning
15:07:03 <adamw> so first of all, many thanks to everyone for all your work on Beta!
15:07:59 * kparal cheers
15:08:51 <adamw> it was signed off Thursday and will be released tomorrow
15:08:54 <adamw> #info Beta release tomorrow
15:09:29 <adamw> we have a couple of outstanding items for Beta if anyone wants to help: the Common Bugs page needs updating (i'll be working on that today) and some testing of https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/fedup-0.9.2-1.fc21 would be really useful
15:10:00 <adamw> it should fix the outstanding blocker bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1207251 , and also several other bugs - it would be good to get it karma'ed up and released ASAP
15:10:10 <adamw> (assuming it works, of course.)
15:10:27 <adamw> #info https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/fedup-0.9.2-1.fc21 needs testing, ideally we should get it pushed stable by tomorrow (if it works)
15:11:23 <adamw> so, for Final...we're scheduled to do TC1 next Tuesday (04-28) and Final freeze is scheduled for 05-12
15:12:58 <adamw> does that sound OK for everyone? we could move TC1 up, but we could probably do with a break from the treadmill for now...
15:14:05 <pschindl> next Tuesday sounds well.
15:14:29 <satellit> tues sounds fine
15:14:43 <adamw> cool
15:15:19 <adamw> so, i wanted to ask: is anyone aware of any cases where we might be unable to complete the tests for Final, or cases where we're missing tests we should have?
15:15:28 <adamw> particularly in the 'specialist' areas like Server and Cloud etc
15:17:52 * adamw notices a particularly sleepy class this morning :P
15:18:55 * tonghuix Zzzzz
15:19:46 <adamw> hehe
15:20:01 <adamw> oh well then.
15:20:27 <adamw> so i know i always say this, but we should try and fill out the Final tests for Beta, ahead of Final TC1, to try and catch any outstanding Final blockers as early as possible
15:20:28 <tonghuix> I tested fedup just now, it works fine
15:20:33 <adamw> (along with all the ones we already had)
15:20:35 <adamw> tonghuix: awesome
15:20:48 <tonghuix> oh sorry, i miss the encrypted disk
15:20:56 <tonghuix> I use ext4
15:21:21 <satellit> filled in the install grid just now with several VB installs...
15:21:26 <adamw> tonghuix: well, just testing that it works is good - but ideally, install f21 with a non-english layout and encrypted disk, update dracut, then update the kernel, then update fedup, then try upgrading.
15:21:29 <adamw> aaanyhoow
15:21:32 <adamw> satellit: you're awesome
15:21:36 <adamw> #info satellit is awesome
15:22:50 <adamw> anyone have anything else for f22 planning, or are we just gonna roll along?
15:23:15 <satellit> will liveusb-creator be updated in f23?
15:23:42 <adamw> how do you mean?
15:23:49 <adamw> lmacken: ping
15:23:57 <lmacken> adamw: pong
15:24:02 <satellit> saw a proposal for major rework on irc
15:24:07 <adamw> lmacken: ^^^
15:24:26 <lmacken> https://github.com/lmacken/liveusb-creator/pull/18
15:24:36 <lmacken> new UI work in progress. Testers needed.
15:24:38 <adamw> lmacken: also, i guess it'd be useful to have your take on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1212180 , though f22 luc's behaviour matters more for *future* releases than f22 release
15:24:54 <adamw> ooo shiny.
15:24:59 <satellit> k
15:25:24 <lmacken> adamw: hmm, I haven't experienced that issue. Will have a look.
15:25:46 <adamw> lmacken: you'd only see it on f22 where X-not-as-root is default
15:26:00 <satellit> info (cp) fails with flashing cursor  (dd) works with bios boot here
15:26:05 <lmacken> adamw: ah, okay.
15:27:18 <lmacken> so yeah, I'm neck deep in bodhi2, and will try and help test/tweak/merge/release the new luc with whatever cycles I have. If anyone is interested in helping with the new UI, it would be much appreciated.
15:27:37 <adamw> roger, thanks
15:27:40 <lmacken> I'm trying to get a fresh Windows VM stood up for testing as well, but even after purchasing the license through the appropriate channels, I still can't download it :(
15:28:00 <lmacken> I may look into AppVeyor for automating the luc windows builds...
15:28:04 <adamw> #info in response to satellit's request - liveusb-creator UI rework is underway, landing date uncertain, dev/testing help welcome: https://github.com/lmacken/liveusb-creator/pull/18
15:28:29 <adamw> lmacken: oh god, yeah, that MS windows download thing is a giant pile of fail.
15:28:39 <lmacken> adamw: yep :(
15:29:00 * lmacken also trying to look into why fedora-easy-karma stopped working... not having much luck ;(
15:29:49 <adamw> oh right, thanks for that
15:30:25 <adamw> #info lmacken looking into why fedora-easy-karma is not working, but no success yet
15:31:30 <adamw> alrighty, sounds like everyone's more or less content for the big QA steamroller to roll on unadjusted for final
15:31:34 <adamw> moving on...
15:31:49 <adamw> #topic Test Day status
15:33:02 <adamw> #info we had a couple of Test Days last week: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-04-14_ABRT and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-04-16_Virtualization
15:33:11 <adamw> was anyone at them? i have to admit i was mostly absent working on other stuff
15:33:31 <adamw> looks like pschindl was there both times
15:34:17 <pschindl> I haven't much time for virtualization though. Beta testing had priority.
15:34:43 * satellit_e I have used boxes and virtualbox for a lot of tests
15:35:57 <adamw> the virt test day is focused on KVM
15:36:13 <adamw> pschindl: test days were properly organized, though? everything went smoothly?>
15:36:25 * satellit_e I never learned how to use it
15:37:28 <pschindl> mostly. Just abrt test day wasn't announced in advance. But I think that attendance was quite good.
15:37:34 <adamw> pschindl: cool cool
15:38:01 <adamw> yeah, we could've mentioned abrt test day a bit earlier
15:38:19 <adamw> now roshi's on break i guess i'll have to try and pick up the remaining ones (if we have any)
15:38:41 <pschindl> I can do that.
15:38:44 <adamw> #info pschindl reports that both test days were well-organized, both appear to have been well attended and a decent amount of testing done
15:38:48 <adamw> oh, that'd be great if you could
15:39:29 <pschindl> I will send announcement about fedUp testday after meeting
15:39:37 <adamw> awesome, thanks
15:39:41 <adamw> that's this week?
15:40:09 <pschindl> yes. And software center/Apper too
15:40:13 <adamw> OK
15:40:32 <pschindl> Next week is rolekit :)
15:40:41 * satellit_e has apper gotten fixed for groups?
15:40:59 <adamw> #info two more test days coming up this week, as part of the DNF testing series: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-04-21_FedUp and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-04-23_SoftwareCenter_Apper
15:42:56 <adamw> both pages need lots of fixing (they're mostly the template), i guess i'll try and get on that...
15:43:41 <adamw> #action adamw to complete fedup Test Day page
15:44:05 <adamw> alrighty
15:44:21 <adamw> anything else on test days/
15:44:22 <adamw> ?
15:45:19 * satellit still looks not fixed apper bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1177137#c10
15:47:11 <pschindl> nothing from me.
15:47:17 <adamw> alrighty
15:47:22 <adamw> moving on then
15:47:25 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:47:31 <adamw> any other topics I didn't remember to cover?
15:48:38 <nirik> I have one! ;)
15:49:15 <nirik> I sent a email to the test list about a proposed urgent security fixes process. I'd love to get some feedback... either on list there or in the releng ticket.
15:49:17 <adamw> go for it
15:49:20 <adamw> oh yes
15:49:35 <adamw> my gut reaction was that it was an awful lot of work for something i'm not sure we had any particularly clear evidence we're terribly bad at?
15:50:02 <nirik> well, it came out of the heartbleed stuff.
15:50:15 <nirik> due to various issues it took several days for that to get out
15:51:33 <adamw> #info nirik would like feedback on the proposal for an 'urgent security fix' update process: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2015-April/125890.html , https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5886
15:52:57 <adamw> did anyone read over that proposal yet?
15:54:56 <adamw> don't all shout at once ;)
15:55:11 <adamw> so, sounds like we have some reading homework. any other topics?
15:57:14 * kparal will read it tomorrow
15:57:27 <adamw> ok then, we'll move over to #fedora-blocker-review in a couple of minutes for blocker review
15:57:30 <adamw> thanks for coming folks!
15:57:33 * adamw sets the big fuse
15:57:49 * tonghuix cheers
15:58:22 <adamw> #endmeeting