15:01:31 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:01:33 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:35 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:01:37 <adamw> ahoyhoy folks, who's around for the QA meeting?
15:01:39 * kparal is here
15:01:47 * danofsatx is actually here today
15:01:50 <danofsatx> woot!
15:02:12 * satellit listening
15:02:25 * pwhalen is lurking
15:03:14 * jreznik is here, ahoyhoy
15:03:58 <adamw> morning all
15:04:13 <adamw> or rather, <TIMEZONE-APPROPRIATE GREETING> all
15:05:07 * tflink is around
15:05:10 <adamw> #chair kparal pwhalen
15:05:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal pwhalen
15:05:16 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:17 <valebes_AFK> Hi
15:05:21 <adamw> (he says, before checking if there is any)
15:05:22 <adamw> hi val!
15:05:50 <adamw> ah, just the one:
15:06:12 <adamw> #info "adamw to complete fedup Test Day page" - did that, the test day went off pretty well.
15:06:27 <adamw> anything else before we move on?
15:06:49 <valebes_AFK> no,i don't think
15:07:42 <adamw> okely dokely
15:07:42 <adamw> #topic Fedora 22 Final status
15:07:46 <adamw> #info currently under test: 22 Final TC1
15:08:01 <adamw> i don't think we have any real big surprises here, just a check-in topic
15:09:08 <adamw> anything of note, or are we just rolling along?
15:09:09 <danofsatx> wow...I've discovered that Logitech wireless devices don't work well in F22 Plasma.
15:09:27 <adamw> danofsatx: when you say 'logitech wireless devices', what do you mean?
15:10:29 <danofsatx> I just purchased a Wave keyboard and MX510 mouse that use the proprietary Logtiech "Unifying Receiver". The keyboard works ~90% of the time, the mouse ~20%.
15:11:00 <danofsatx> it locks up and is jumpy - I'm looking at the current thread in the mail list about the slow mouse to see if they're related
15:11:09 <jreznik> danofsatx: is it plasma 5 only? but it doesn't sound like anything we have to worry for f22, especially when you say proprietary
15:11:10 <danofsatx> the wired mouse is fine.
15:11:28 <valebes> i had some problem with chrome but nothing special
15:11:49 <valebes> Firefox all right
15:12:16 * pschindl is here.
15:12:24 * satellit learned to use f22 virtual machine manager gui   finally....for testing  f22 cinnamon spin is available now
15:12:39 * satellit live
15:12:49 <adamw> danofsatx: well, i'd say it could take more investigation than that to make any conclusions, but useful to know
15:13:04 <danofsatx> oh, and I can't declare Plasma "go" with a good concious. There are still too many discrepancies in the interface between the desktop and the video drivers.
15:13:42 <adamw> again, what does that mean?
15:14:04 <danofsatx> for example, I sat down to this machine this morning after a weekend of no activity. I had to restart sssd to even log in, since it was failing with "error 17".
15:14:21 <danofsatx> not bad password, but kcheckpass wasn't talking to sssd_pam
15:15:21 <danofsatx> when I finally got logged in, the mouse was unresponsive, and the keyboard was producing artifacts - registering repeat keys while typing at a normal pace.
15:15:46 <danofsatx> When I finally rebooted the darned thing after the latest kernel update, kscreen forgot the display configuration again.
15:15:52 <adamw> that sounds a lot like excess system load
15:16:07 <adamw> has anyone else who's been using plasma been seeing anything like this? I haven't in tests, but i only run the tests for as hort time
15:16:18 <danofsatx> .bug 1217337
15:16:21 <zodbot> danofsatx: Bug 1217337 REGRESSION: kscreen breaks muti-screen management - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1217337
15:16:54 <valebes_> Sorry guys but i had a crash
15:17:12 <danofsatx> there was no load - the only resource usage that wasn't normal was plasmashell had 2.7GB of RAM under it's control
15:17:52 <danofsatx> even now, I still can't use the wireless mouse.
15:18:21 <adamw> well, it sounds like we should have other people trying out plasma if possible.
15:18:44 <adamw> but it's hard to block releases without specifically identified bugs.
15:18:46 <danofsatx> Yes, the problems with Plasma don't show up in a test. It needs long term testing.
15:19:56 <danofsatx> There are bugs for the video driver issues, the trouble is that KDE keeps assigning them to kernel and driver devs, which then in turn reassign them back to KDE. Someone needs to step up and fix the problem.
15:20:13 * danofsatx looks for the bugs
15:20:21 <adamw> danofsatx: could you post the bug numbers to the list or fedora-qa or something?
15:21:45 <adamw> thanks for noting this
15:22:17 <adamw> now i think of it, there's another thing to note: the saga of crashes in non-English live installs
15:23:04 <adamw> which is due to very boring and detailed Technical Stuff, but the QA upshot is, either we're going to have to do a lot of testing of all different parts of the installer to find the crashes, or there's going to be one kinda ugly hack in anaconda soon which should in theory fix all of them
15:23:24 <adamw> in which case we need to run through at least a few different installs just to make sure it didn't cause anything unexpected
15:23:46 <adamw> the ugly-hack PR is https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/93 , if you want to track the progress on that
15:24:05 <adamw> #info danofsatx notes problems with long-term use of Plasma, he will post some related bugs to #fedora-qa or the mailing list
15:24:42 <adamw> #info A hack to try and fix the various unicode encoding bugs in live anaconda may land sometime soon: https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/93
15:24:55 <adamw> any other concerns?
15:24:55 * satellit I will leave a plasma f22 0503 install (branched) running for a long time test...
15:25:06 <adamw> thanks satellit\
15:25:11 <adamw> probably helps if you use it 'properly' too
15:25:39 * adamw takes a quick look at test coverage
15:25:40 * satellit it does a daily auto update
15:25:48 <adamw> we need to test Xen and FCoE - who was it had FCoE hardware?
15:25:54 <adamw> (i can do xen)
15:26:37 <adamw> other than that coverage isn't looking too bad
15:26:52 <danofsatx> no FCoE here. I might be able to find *someone* that has FCoE.
15:27:09 <wolfantec> sorry i only have iSCSi
15:28:53 * adamw checks 21
15:29:08 <adamw> oh, no-one did it there either.
15:29:25 <adamw> maybe we have some within the bowels of the beast (red hat) or something, i'll have to see
15:29:36 <adamw> #action adamw to see if he can scare up some FCoE testing from anywhere inside RH
15:29:45 <adamw> #info 22 test coverage looks pretty good, only a few missing tests
15:29:55 * satellit I need to know is yumex now automatically switched to yumex-dnf?
15:30:27 <adamw> satellit: i haven't tried myself, but from what juliux was saying, no. the 'old' yumex is still the default (and still works).
15:30:52 <satellit> so if I use it in Plasma I have to caches?
15:31:01 <satellit> to /2
15:31:44 <adamw> probably, yeah.
15:31:49 <satellit> ugh
15:31:52 <adamw> metadata and caching is just kinda ugly in general atm
15:32:03 <adamw> yum, dnf, and the GNOME Software stuff all use different ones
15:32:10 <adamw> anyhow
15:32:17 <adamw> not really meeting stuff, so...let's move along
15:33:15 <adamw> #topic Council meeting representative
15:33:28 <adamw> let me find the reference here..
15:34:07 <adamw> #info mattdm asked us to send a representative to report on QA to the Fedora Council: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2015-April/125966.html
15:34:13 <valebes> So i don't think we have big problem in this release
15:34:18 <adamw> on June 8th
15:34:35 <adamw> he also provided a list of what he'd like us to report:
15:34:39 <adamw> - the current state of the subproject
15:34:39 <adamw> - future plans
15:34:39 <adamw> - things the team needs from the rest of the project
15:34:39 <adamw> - any blockers we can help unblock
15:34:42 <adamw> - big resource requests?
15:36:12 <adamw> so, is anyone interested in doing that?
15:36:20 <adamw> i can certainly do it if no-one else wants to, but if someone wanted to do it...
15:37:30 <danofsatx> I would love to, but I don't think I can commit due to $DAYJOB requirements :(
15:37:34 <adamw> rgr
15:38:43 <adamw> welp, guess it's me then :)
15:38:51 <adamw> #action adamw to report to Council
15:39:11 <adamw> so i'll send out a thread asking for thoughts on what to report, but does anyone have any ideas now?
15:39:19 <adamw> especially in terms of 'help from the rest of the project'
15:39:32 <valebes> Really i don't know
15:39:44 <adamw> i was thinking particularly in terms of the taskotron area there
15:40:30 <tflink> I don't have a specific list right at the moment
15:40:40 <adamw> tflink: kparal: any thoughts? any useful help or input or anything we could get from, say, packagers in terms of the info we're trying to provide them? designers or people experienced with web UIs for the taskotron results stuff?
15:41:30 <tflink> we do want to unify our web front-ends at some point
15:42:20 * satellit bring back muli-DVD ?
15:42:27 <satellit> multi*
15:42:46 <kparal> we publish our qa-devel meeting minutes, but I'm not sure how useful that would be, without rewriting it into a more digestable format for people from outside QA
15:43:09 <adamw> kparal: yeah, i think that's kinda the idea, to distil everything into a single digestible summary
15:43:28 * adamw waits a cotton-pickin' minute
15:44:15 <adamw> hmmm, so this idea may need some re-thinking, as i think i'm going to be on a plane on june 8th. :)
15:45:34 <kparal> well, bug reports about taskotron output/issues always help. but we're painfully aware of some current deficiencies, so it's not like we had no idea what to improve in that area :)
15:46:09 <adamw> yeah, i was wondering if it's feasible to take actual help in improving it, rather than just reports about what's wrong
15:46:16 <kparal> e.g. today I saw someone asking questions about upgradepath output on the irc, I plan to improve the messages to be clearer based on that feedback
15:47:16 <kparal> hmm, that's a tough question. if there's someone interested in doing so, we can certainly walk the person through some "papercuts" issues to get familiar with it
15:47:29 <kparal> but it's not easy to start working on these things
15:48:08 * kparal links papercuts: https://phab.qadevel.cloud.fedoraproject.org/project/view/12/
15:48:37 <adamw> OK
15:49:02 <adamw> well, i guess we can follow up further on list - either someone will have to volunteer or we can ask the council to move it out a week so i can do it
15:49:24 <adamw> we've got some initial thoughts now, and some time to work up more.
15:49:28 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:49:32 <adamw> so, any other business, folks?
15:50:03 <danofsatx> wait, is this a one-time report to the council?
15:50:19 * danofsatx thought it was a weekly appointment
15:50:23 <adamw> danofsatx: not weekly, no
15:50:28 <adamw> danofsatx: they go around all the subprojects
15:50:36 <adamw> so it'll happen again, but not for a few months
15:51:15 <danofsatx> ahh....ok. In that case, let me review my calendar. QA is scheduled for the 8th?
15:52:12 <adamw> at present - they didn't sound super-tied to that date though
15:52:23 <adamw> oh, and yeah, you'd only be volunteering to do it this one time, it's not a regular commitment
15:52:57 <danofsatx> ok, pencil me in this time around. I'd love to get my foot even further in th door ;)
15:53:19 * danofsatx will take the day off work if he has to ;)
15:54:13 <adamw> cool, sounds good
15:54:27 <adamw> #action scratch adamw: danofsatx to report to Council on June 8th
15:54:42 * adamw feels like he thought of something else and then completely forgot about...whatever it was
15:54:49 <adamw> can't have been that important, i guess!
15:54:54 <danofsatx> hmm...when you put it that way, it sounds like I'm in trouble
15:55:16 <adamw> danofsatx: did I not mention the laser shark pool?
15:55:35 <danofsatx> no, I'm fairly certain you skipped over that point
15:55:56 * danofsatx double checks his life insurance policy
15:56:06 <adamw> what an inexplicable omission on my part!
15:56:15 <danofsatx> nope, laser sharks aren't explicitly excluded. I'm good.
15:56:15 <adamw> alrighty, sounds like we're about done
15:56:26 <adamw> danofsatx: man, your insurance company's really sleeping on the job.
15:56:36 <adamw> blocker review in #fedora-blocker-review in 3 minutes, folks
15:56:42 <adamw> thanks a lot for coming out everyone
15:56:57 * danofsatx notes adamw's clock is fast
15:57:26 <adamw> close enough
15:58:21 <adamw> #endmeeting