15:00:20 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:28 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:00:31 <nathan95> hello
15:00:35 <adamw> morning folks, who's around for the qa meeting?
15:00:41 <lruzicka> .hello
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15:00:55 * coremodule is here, good morning!
15:01:03 <adamw> .fire lruzicka improper use of bot
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15:01:12 <lruzicka> coremodule: Good evening :)
15:01:24 <lruzicka> adamw: How do I order the bot correctly?
15:01:38 <nathan95> Good evening
15:01:46 <lruzicka> adamw: I think my client is all set up correctly, but it still produces weird messages :)
15:03:38 <adamw> lruzicka: .hello (yourfasid)
15:03:49 <adamw> if your fas id is the same as your nick, i think you can use just '.hello2' (but not sure)
15:03:53 <adamw> how's everyone doing?
15:04:00 <lruzicka> .hello2
15:04:01 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'None' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:04:49 <lruzicka> Ha, I think there will a setting be needed in fas :)
15:05:26 <lruzicka> I am fine, btw. There is Easter Monday holiday in the Czech Republic. Spent the day visiting my family.
15:06:18 <adamw> man, i'm starting to think this whole 'easter' thing is just a setup for christians to get lots of holiday
15:06:21 <adamw> allllrighty
15:06:47 * sumantrom[m] is here
15:06:48 <adamw> let's get rolling!
15:06:49 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:06:51 <lruzicka> adamw: No Easter? People will find anything else to stay at home :)
15:07:13 <adamw> hehe
15:07:19 <adamw> "happy beer monday!"
15:07:45 <adamw> #info "adamw to file FESCo ticket detailing current state and potential risk to Beta schedule" - I did that, https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1862 - fesco picked it up, it's all closed business now
15:07:49 <nathan95> :)
15:08:40 <adamw> #info "adamw to ask fesco if they consider modularity as blocking Beta" - I also did that, we got a list of Beta requirements in the Change bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1537253#c6 , and tested them for Beta
15:08:51 <adamw> anyone got any other followup from last time?
15:08:56 <adamw> or notes on those topics?
15:09:21 <sgallagh> adamw: Could you also write a FESCo ticket to ask for any additional Final criteria?
15:09:39 <sgallagh> We should probably try to figure that out this week.
15:10:25 <sumantrom[m]> sgallagh adamw when can we have a test day around add on modularity?
15:10:49 <lruzicka> Are there any followups from FESCo where they would put a list of blockers?
15:10:57 <sgallagh> It's testable as of Beta, so whenever there's a free slot, I suppose
15:11:14 <adamw> sumantrom[m]: when do we have a slot for a test day?
15:11:19 <adamw> sgallagh: i'll ask in the bug
15:11:23 <sgallagh> Thanks
15:11:55 <adamw> lruzicka: we ended up nominating bugs that potentially broke the requirements through the normal nomination process
15:12:02 <adamw> no-one decided on that in advance, but it worked well enough
15:12:05 <adamw> i guess we could do the same for final
15:12:08 <nathan95> sgallagh: So what additional Final criteria do you think?
15:12:11 <sumantrom[m]> adamw:  anytime after 2018-04-04
15:12:20 <adamw> sgallagh: there ya go
15:12:28 <lruzicka> adamw: I have not seen a resolution on that yet, though, did I overlook?
15:12:30 <adamw> do you and sumantro want to get together and file a ticket and plan it out?
15:12:31 <sumantrom[m]> Maybe 10th if sgallagh is okay with it?
15:12:40 <adamw> lruzicka: resolution on what?
15:12:58 <sgallagh> sumantrom[m]: Apr 10th should work fine
15:13:02 <lruzicka> adamw: On whether they accepted our proposals as final blockers or not
15:13:08 <sumantrom[m]> I am game :)
15:13:31 <sgallagh> nathan95: I'll get back to you once FESCo has discussed it.
15:13:35 <lruzicka> sumantrom[m]: Are you talking about the modularity test day? I am in.
15:13:41 <adamw> lruzicka: oh, we didn't decide if that one that got rejected as beta blocker is final blocker yet, i don't think. we can talk about it in today's blocker review
15:13:52 <sgallagh> nathan95: I suspect we want to figure out how to make sure that Modularity makes a nice splash and doesn't sink :)
15:13:52 <sumantrom[m]> sgallagh: April 10th it is!
15:13:57 <lruzicka> adamw: Ok. We can.
15:14:58 <sumantrom[m]> lruzicka: I will give you a heads-up when I am setting test day bits :)
15:15:07 <adamw> #action sgallagh and sumantrom to schedule and organize Modularity test day
15:15:11 <nathan95> sgallagh: ok
15:15:58 <lruzicka> sumantrom[m]: Ok, let me know if you need a helping hand :)
15:16:46 <adamw> alrighty! moving along
15:16:48 <adamw> #topic Fedora 28 status
15:16:57 <adamw> so, this is just a general catch-all topic really
15:16:58 <sumantrom[m]> adamw: copied :)
15:17:07 <adamw> #info Beta RC3 (Beta-1.3) was accepted as Beta, will be released tomorrow
15:17:10 <sumantrom[m]> lruzicka: sure :)
15:17:33 <adamw> #info Final freeze is 2018-04-17
15:17:54 <adamw> #info Final go/no-go is 2018-04-26
15:18:02 <adamw> so, that's the schedule we're working with.
15:18:22 <adamw> we also need to get Beta common bugs done, I'll look at that today.
15:18:27 <nathan95> adamw: Yes I knew that version 1.3 was Accetata and will be released tomorrow
15:18:31 <adamw> #action adamw to update Common Bugs for Beta
15:19:44 <adamw> I think we're in decent shape in general for F28, we just need to stick to the program...anyone have any particular thoughts/notes/questions on f28 status or the schedule?
15:20:12 <nathan95> no
15:20:45 <lruzicka> What is the procedure exactly? Are we still accepting blocker bugs and freeze exceptions suggestions?
15:20:50 <sumantrom[m]> Nothing from my side
15:21:02 <lruzicka> or do we just work what we have now:
15:21:03 <lruzicka> ?
15:21:11 <sumantrom[m]> lruzicka: yes this time for final
15:21:30 <adamw> lruzicka: yup, you can propose final blockers and fes
15:21:39 <lruzicka> so we can still find plenty of blockers that we have not found yet, right?
15:21:45 <adamw> indeed, such fun
15:21:54 <lruzicka> cleared for me :)
15:22:08 <srkraken> .fas srkraken
15:22:09 <zodbot> srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' <efren.a.rm@gmail.com>
15:22:38 <sumantrom[m]> For each milestone we have some release criteria and when that fails we nominate those bugs as blockers for that-milestone in case for beta then beta blockers.. for final , final blockers
15:23:08 <sumantrom[m]> lruzicka: anything that breaks criteria is a blocker, so we can many many of them
15:23:13 <lruzicka> sumantrom[m]: I get it :)
15:23:34 <adamw> also, of course, anything that breaks Basic or Beta criteria that we missed in Beta, or that appears after Beta release, is also a Final blocker.
15:24:26 <adamw> #topic Test Day status
15:24:36 <adamw> sumantrom[m]: over to you :)
15:25:39 <nathan95> Clear but currently version 1.3 meets the criteria. That's better. :)
15:27:04 <sumantrom[m]> Well.. gnome test day went well
15:27:24 <sumantrom[m]> Tcp wrappers went well too
15:27:37 <sumantrom[m]> We have rust coming up day after
15:27:52 <sumantrom[m]> We will have modularity planned for 10th
15:27:58 <sumantrom[m]> Then cloud test day
15:28:34 <adamw> sumantrom[m]: rust test day on 2018-04-04, right?
15:28:37 <sumantrom[m]> We have had a lot of new people joining, onboarding calls are required.. I wish to propose on right now
15:28:45 <adamw> yup, sounds like a good idea
15:28:58 <sumantrom[m]> Yes Adamw
15:29:11 <adamw> #info Rust Test Day will be in two days (2018-04-04), Modularity is pencilled in for 2018-04-10
15:29:20 <adamw> #action sumantrom to schedule an onboarding call soon
15:29:38 <sumantrom[m]> I will open a ticket and keep tracking :)
15:29:46 <adamw> an 'onboarding call' is a video chat for new group members to get together and get some help on getting started with things, btw
15:29:52 <adamw> sumantro runs them every so often
15:30:32 <coremodule> Glad to help with the on boarding call sumantrom[m]
15:31:41 <adamw> #topic Criteria proposals
15:31:43 <sumantrom[m]> coremodule:  yaay!
15:32:15 <adamw> welp, i was hoping by now we'd have a proposal for the image size thing
15:32:21 <adamw> and we're missing quite a few folks this week
15:32:27 <adamw> so i'm gonna suggest we mostly table this for next time
15:32:30 <adamw> i'll just include a note:
15:32:52 <adamw> #info there's a proposal for covering Server roles in the upgrade criteria that was sent to the list recently, please comment if you have any thoughts
15:33:11 <adamw> #info a proposal for adjusting the image size criterion is expected soon, we will discuss this next time most likely
15:33:16 <adamw> any thoughts on those topics?
15:33:50 <sumantrom[m]> Nothing from my side
15:34:12 <nathan95> Nothing
15:34:17 <nathan95> from me
15:34:24 <adamw> allllrighty
15:34:29 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:34:29 <lruzicka> Nothing, if we postpone the image size discussion
15:34:37 <adamw> welp, that's all i had, so let's give everyone back a bit of their day :P
15:34:51 <adamw> any other thoughts / notes / questions / complaints / grand unified theories?
15:35:49 <nathan95> no
15:36:04 * lruzicka does not
15:36:06 <adamw> blocker review meeting will be at the top of the hour in #fedora-blocker-review
15:36:10 <adamw> i will be taking attendance, and there will be a test
15:36:12 <adamw> :P
15:36:17 <lruzicka> :)
15:36:21 <sumantrom[m]> FreeIPA test day!
15:36:36 <sumantrom[m]> And when is a good time for upgrade test day as well?
15:37:02 <lruzicka> sumantrom[m]: Definitely before the final dead line :)
15:37:25 <adamw> sumantrom[m]: i'd say as soon as possible on both fronts
15:37:29 <adamw> earlier is generally better for test days
15:37:33 <adamw> freeipa is certainly in testable shape now
15:38:07 * satellit fyi cinnamon works after dnf update...
15:38:23 <sumantrom[m]> Adamw we are gonna target server f27 to f28 too right ?
15:38:32 <adamw> how do you mean? for upgrades?
15:38:45 <satellit> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561304
15:39:01 <sumantrom[m]> Yes for upgrades
15:39:46 <adamw> ah, yeah. we already test that in fact. we just didn't have criteria.
15:40:55 <sumantrom[m]> Yes cz last time upgrade was not possible and it was not blocking..
15:41:40 <lruzicka> sumantrom[m]: For server? Or for Workstation, too?
15:42:13 <lruzicka> I think that if you cannot upgrade, it should be a blocker.
15:42:33 <adamw> yeah, i'm not sure what you're referring to there?
15:42:42 <adamw> there was a bug with freeipa server upgrade, but it was workaroundable, iirc
15:42:52 <sumantrom[m]> For server cz last time we moved from traditional to modular
15:43:15 <adamw> ah, at beta time? right.
15:43:31 <adamw> i'd forgotten that discussion. but yeah, that was 'special', as in, we were making it up as we went along. :P
15:44:31 <sumantrom[m]> Adamw :)
15:44:57 <adamw> alrighty then, i guess we're done here - see you all in 15 mins in #fedora-blocker-review
15:45:02 <adamw> thanks for coming, everyone!
15:45:31 <coremodule> Thanks for hosting adamw
15:46:42 <adamw> #endmeeting