16:00:02 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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16:00:09 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00:13 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:00:13 <lruzicka> .hello2
16:00:14 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
16:00:16 <adamw> morning folks
16:00:18 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:00:18 <adamw> how is everyone?
16:00:18 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:00:22 <lruzicka> morning
16:00:28 <tablepc> .hello2
16:00:29 <zodbot> tablepc: tablepc 'Pat Kelly' <pmkellly@frontier.com>
16:00:32 <danielmorgan> morning
16:00:34 <coremodule> Good morning!
16:00:37 <kparal> .hello2
16:00:38 <zodbot> kparal: kparal 'Kamil Páral' <kparal@redhat.com>
16:00:40 <lruzicka> adamw, fighting the sata stuff, cannot run windows in openqa
16:00:45 <coremodule> .hello2
16:00:46 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
16:00:51 * satellit_ listeing
16:01:07 <tablepc> It's a Fine chilly day here. and the babies aren't helping with the typing
16:02:23 <tablepc> I sent out that drive test proposal on 10/29
16:02:23 <adamw> i'm sure they will be
16:02:31 <adamw> yep yep, we'll get to that
16:02:39 <tablepc> Watching clifford now.
16:03:44 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:05:27 * tflink shows up late
16:05:40 * sumantro is here
16:06:02 <adamw> #info "adamw to go ahead and add the basic desktop background criterion to 'automatic blockers' as that proposal received no objections" - this is done (and CERTAINLY not literally in the last two minutes, anything the wiki page history says is a vicious lie)
16:06:52 <adamw> #info "adamw to refresh the proposal to replace the xen criterion with more specific ec2 requirements (including requirement for a xen-based instance type to work)" - also done, we will cover this in more detail later
16:07:26 <adamw> #info "bcotton to refresh toggle key criterion proposal with modification suggested by kparal" - this was done too, and we will cover it soon
16:08:38 <adamw> #info "adamw to follow up on the printing criteria proposal and ask sgallagh if he thinks we should push it out as-is" - whoops, forgot about this one. sgallagh, around by any chance?
16:10:43 <adamw> i guess not
16:10:52 <adamw> #action "adamw to follow up on the printing criteria proposal and ask sgallagh if he thinks we should push it out as-is"
16:10:55 <adamw> ...
16:10:56 <adamw> #undo
16:10:56 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by adamw at 16:10:52 : "adamw to follow up on the printing criteria proposal and ask sgallagh if he thinks we should push it out as-is"
16:11:03 <adamw> #action adamw to follow up on the printing criteria proposal and ask sgallagh if he thinks we should push it out as-is
16:11:11 <sgallagh> I'm here
16:11:14 <adamw> ...doh
16:11:22 <adamw> so yeah, we need to know what you think about the printing criterion
16:11:29 <sgallagh> What's the latest phrasing?
16:12:15 <adamw> last i have is https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2M2GDIJJLITXKTNFU5PUTDHHKJFJOW43/
16:13:15 <lruzicka> adamw, I think this is fine. I have been doing the printing tests using that criteria.
16:13:39 <adamw> yeah, i'm fine with that wording
16:13:46 <sgallagh> adamw: I don't think I can massage that in any way that doesn't make it worse or too narrow
16:14:05 <sgallagh> The point is to ensure that the printing subsystems aren't completely broken.
16:14:08 <adamw> yeah.
16:14:27 <lruzicka> sgallagh, adamw, in Brno, we only have shared printers, so we need to test using cups-browsed and one of the shared printers.
16:14:28 <adamw> does anyone have any remaining objections/notes to that wording? if not i'm gonna action sgallagh to go ahead and make the edits (if that's ok with him)
16:14:57 <sgallagh> adamw: Where are the edits done these days?
16:14:58 <lruzicka> sgallagh, adamw, but we have always tested successfully.
16:15:32 <adamw> sgallagh: just in the criteria page...
16:15:47 <sgallagh> Do I have edit privs there?
16:15:50 <adamw> i think so
16:15:53 <sgallagh> OK, then
16:15:58 <adamw> well
16:16:00 <kparal> I'd avoid the "In general, we'll apply the "last blocker at Go/No-Go" principle here when deciding whether a print glitch is truly blocking." sentence
16:16:07 <adamw> we should probably create the 32 pages and edit those
16:16:12 <adamw> not edit the cahnges into the 31 pages
16:16:12 <lruzicka> I believe the wording is ok, because this leaves a lot of room even without having a real printer
16:16:15 <kparal> the previous sentence already explains it's a judgment call
16:16:21 <adamw> sgallagh: i'll create the 32 pages today and ping you when they're ready
16:16:41 <adamw> +1 kparal, that applies to all criteria really.
16:16:47 <sgallagh> That's a lot of pages!
16:16:50 <adamw> har har
16:16:59 <adamw> #action adamw to create F32 release criteria pages
16:17:15 <adamw> #action sgallagh to add proposed printing criterion to F32 criteria once they're ready
16:18:59 <adamw> #topic Criteria proposals status
16:19:16 <adamw> #info proposed printing criterion will be put into production as action'ed above
16:19:53 <adamw> so, aside from that, i believe we have three others
16:20:11 <adamw> #info xen/ec2, disk dismount and toggle key criteria are all live for discussion at present
16:20:55 <adamw> for the toggle key criterion i think we have agreement on at least requiring the function to work, we have a discussion about what requirements for the light state are reasonable
16:21:24 <adamw> oh, sorry - the 'disk dismount' proposal is for a test case, not a criterion.
16:22:45 <adamw> anyone have thoughts/notes/questions on any of the proposals?
16:23:06 <kparal> nothing here
16:23:12 <adamw> tablepc: i think your proposal looks decent, it might be good to create the actual wiki page as a draft for us to review
16:23:54 <tablepc> There'll be a short delay while I figure out how to do that
16:24:17 <adamw> tablepc: you can do that by creating it within your 'user space' on the wiki - e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_base_artwork_release_identification?rd=User:Adamwill/Draft_Testcase_artwork_release_identification is a draft i created
16:24:20 <adamw> sigh
16:24:29 <adamw> that doesn't work because i redirected it :P
16:24:50 <adamw> ok, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sumantrom/Draft/Testcase_VirtualBox
16:24:55 <adamw> there's a draft sumantro did
16:25:30 <tablepc> Okay I'll start there.
16:25:31 <adamw> so, just create it as https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tablepc/Draft_testcase_reboot or something like that
16:25:45 <adamw> then once it looks right to you, send the page link to the list
16:26:07 <adamw> #action tablepc to make the 'disk dismount' test case proposal into a draft wiki page
16:26:11 <tablepc> All righty then.
16:27:06 <adamw> thanks :)
16:27:29 <adamw> ok, so it'd be great if folks could leave feedback on the active proposals on the list
16:27:45 <adamw> #info please read the list proposals and send feedback
16:28:27 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
16:28:31 <adamw> sumantro: do we have you today?
16:28:39 <sumantro> adamw, yes!
16:28:45 <adamw> take it away, then :)
16:28:47 <adamw> #chair sumantro
16:28:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw sumantro
16:29:06 <sumantro> I will send out the call for test days
16:29:51 <sumantro> and will plan the test days which can be run like graphics and virt.
16:30:30 <sumantro> Also planning to run on boarding calls mid of this month!
16:30:55 <adamw> cool
16:31:03 <adamw> assume there'll be an announcement for that too?
16:31:09 <tablepc> How about a printers test day. We'd get lots of variety
16:31:16 <sumantro> coremodule, will be taking a stab at Heroes of Fedora and I will attempt publishing it on community blog
16:32:25 <sumantro> tablepc, true, but we never had such a test day before-- adamw what do you think?
16:32:51 <adamw> i think we did run print test days a long time ago
16:32:54 <adamw> check the archives :P
16:32:56 * jlandafk waves
16:32:57 <adamw> i think it's a good idea
16:33:01 <adamw> hi jlanda
16:33:17 <adamw> #action coremodule and sumantro to work on a heroes of fedora blog post
16:33:22 <adamw> ping me if you need any help with that
16:35:05 <sumantro> Also, for the sake of greater visibility we now a Fedora QA Docs listed under engineering teams, I intend to collate all the HOW tos under this for easy reference
16:35:08 <sumantro> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/qa-docs/
16:35:51 <adamw> okay.
16:36:05 <tablepc> I like one stop shopping
16:36:18 <sumantro> people have felt really good after "how to participate in kernel test day was put up as a document quick docs"
16:36:26 <adamw> that's great
16:36:32 <jlandafk> sumantro++
16:38:02 <adamw> anything else, sumantro?
16:38:14 <sumantro> oh nopes.. thats all from my side :)
16:38:29 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:38:32 <adamw> welp, that's all I had
16:38:35 <adamw> anyone got anything else?
16:39:05 <tablepc> Has anyone got one of the new Fedora shirts?
16:39:24 <tablepc> I got one and it's really good.
16:39:35 <danielmorgan> Hi, I'm interested in helping out in any way I can. I don't have a programming background (except for R), but more than happy to be a button presser and whatnot
16:39:50 <adamw> hi daniel! welcome
16:40:02 <adamw> did you see the info at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join ?
16:40:09 <adamw> lots of things to do there that don't involve coding :)
16:40:38 <danielmorgan> I read through a lot last night. QA is the one that stands out as the most interesting
16:40:48 <tablepc> A fair amount of button pushing and clicking though
16:41:05 <lruzicka> danielmorgan, and if you do not get an idea from there, you can always drop me a line at redhat.com and I will tell you where you can click most :)
16:41:05 <danielmorgan> awesome, I can do that!
16:41:40 <lruzicka> tablepc, nope, where to get them?
16:41:52 <danielmorgan> thanks very much, will do. I'm very appreciative of any guidance from here.
16:42:03 <tablepc> Lots of pushing and clicking with Rawhide testing this time of year.
16:43:29 <tablepc> Fed. Mag. will have an article soon. If you want the links now go to the Fed. Mag Kanban and read the article ticket
16:44:12 <lruzicka> okeedonkee
16:46:28 <adamw> alright, sounds like we're done
16:46:30 <adamw> thanks everyone!
16:46:32 <adamw> see you next time
16:46:38 <adamw> #endmeeting