16:01:02 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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16:01:12 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:01:17 <adamw> morning, folks, who's around for QA fun?
16:01:45 <lruzicka[m]> .hello lruzicka
16:01:46 <zodbot> lruzicka[m]: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
16:01:55 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy
16:01:56 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com>
16:02:17 * cmurf runs to coffeefy
16:03:27 <pwhalen> .hello pwhalen
16:03:28 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com>
16:04:04 <coremodule> .hello2
16:04:10 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
16:05:26 <adamw> hi hi
16:05:31 <adamw> how's everyone doing this fine monday
16:06:06 <lruzicka[m]> taking some refuge from a rainy day
16:06:43 <bcotton> .hello2
16:06:44 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
16:08:09 <adamw> hi ben
16:08:10 * sumantro is here
16:08:12 <adamw> alrighty, let's get rollin
16:09:22 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:09:37 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello2 jbwillia
16:09:38 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: Sorry, but you don't exist
16:09:40 <adamw> "lruzicka to go ahead and merge the proposed audio criteria changes"
16:09:42 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello jbwillia
16:09:43 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@gmail.com>
16:09:46 <adamw> did that get done?
16:10:01 <lruzicka[m]> ah, I think not
16:10:14 <lruzicka[m]> It sort of slipped my mind
16:10:25 <lruzicka[m]> Will do it tomorrow.
16:10:34 <lruzicka[m]> sorry
16:10:50 <adamw> .fire lruzicka
16:10:50 <zodbot> adamw fires lruzicka
16:11:04 <adamw> #action lruzicka 's replacement to go ahead and merge the proposed audio criteria changes
16:11:28 <adamw> alrighty, any other followup from last week? :D
16:11:41 <lruzicka[m]> wait!!!
16:11:48 <lruzicka[m]> I did merge it
16:11:49 <lruzicka[m]> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_34_Final_Release_Criteria#Sound_recording
16:12:10 <lruzicka[m]> but it was a while, so I sort of lost track
16:12:55 <adamw> fiiiiiine
16:12:57 <adamw> #undo
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16:13:02 <adamw> #undo
16:13:02 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by adamw at 16:11:04 : lruzicka 's replacement to go ahead and merge the proposed audio criteria changes
16:13:02 <cmurf> yeah i know what that's like
16:13:15 <adamw> .hire lruzicka
16:13:15 <zodbot> adamw hires lruzicka
16:13:20 <cmurf> haha
16:14:20 <lruzicka[m]> cmurf: last week, we did not meet. who should keep things in their head for a fortnight?
16:14:54 <adamw> #topic Fedora 34 status
16:14:55 <cmurf> don't look at me, if i can keep state for an hour i'm happy
16:15:11 <adamw> so, we have the blocker meeting coming up in an hour to look at what specific blocker bugs we have
16:15:32 <adamw> in wider terms, 34 seems to be...more or less okay, composes are happening, tests are mostly passing
16:16:00 <adamw> #info Fedora 34 status is broadly OK, no systematic issues, composes are happening, GNOME 40 is in
16:16:12 <bcotton> i continue to be a little concerned about how OK we seem to be at this point in the cycle :-)
16:16:28 <adamw> oh don't worry something will go wrong
16:16:51 <lruzicka[m]> three days before final  probably
16:17:07 <adamw> there's a plasma/kde 5.21.5 update for f34 sitting in updates-testing and no FE was proposed for it, so for now i'm proceeding under the assumption we're not pulling it in for beta
16:17:24 <cmurf> oops
16:17:35 <adamw> there's an accepted FE for a single package in it, but we wouldn't usually pull an entire new version of a desktop to fix a single app FE
16:17:56 <cmurf> right, is it intentional or is it an oversight
16:18:09 <lruzicka[m]> ok, it seems reasonable. Will it get pulled in further updates?
16:18:13 <adamw> #info Plasma 5.21.5 is not going to make Beta as things stand
16:18:14 <adamw> dunno
16:18:20 <adamw> it'll be a zero-day update as things stand
16:18:28 <cmurf> yeah
16:18:30 <lruzicka[m]> noted :D
16:18:41 <adamw> #info Beta Go/No-Go #1 should be this Thursday, so we will be trying to get a candidate compose done today or tomorrow
16:19:27 <adamw> there are a few basic/beta level tests which have not been run so it'd be good if people could cover those
16:19:34 <adamw> remember to check https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/34
16:19:51 <adamw> #info please check for basic/beta level tests that have not yet been run at https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/34 and help out by running them
16:20:52 <lruzicka[m]> I will put the compose testing on my agenda as the number 1 priority
16:21:05 <lruzicka[m]> the sooner we have, the better
16:21:09 <lruzicka[m]> we have it
16:21:19 <adamw> thanks!
16:22:20 <adamw> okay, any other notes on f34?
16:22:46 <adamw> Southern_Gentlem: I saw your notes about the i3 spin, will look at that a bit later today
16:23:40 <linuxmodder> adamw, seems that @hardware-support is missing on the pagure kickstart and i3 sig is planning to update that with a PR
16:23:56 <linuxmodder> for some reasons SG and I local builds were pulling that in tho
16:24:04 * nirik must have gotten schedules crossed somehow... if any mobility sig folks are looking for our meeting it's moved to #fedora-meeting-1, please go there. ;)
16:24:19 <adamw> linuxmodder: thanks for the update
16:24:24 <linuxmodder> np
16:24:36 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
16:24:59 <coremodule> Fedora IoT test day is this Wednesday
16:25:02 <sumantro> So, we had the audio test day which went good
16:25:18 <sumantro> kernel test week is running currently alongside i18n
16:25:40 <sumantro> followed by iot on 2021-03-10
16:25:54 <sumantro> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-10_Fedora_34_IoT_Edition
16:26:25 <sumantro> and then systemd-oomd test week from 2021-03-18 through 2021-03-25
16:26:46 <adamw> #info Audio test day went off well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-03_Audio_Test_Day
16:27:04 <bcotton> how much testing of proprietary videoconference apps did we do with the audio test day? that's going to be a big pain point for users if it's not reliable
16:27:05 <sumantro> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-18_Systemd-OOMd_Test_Week
16:27:31 <adamw> #info kernel 5.11 test week is currently running: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-08_Kernel_5.11_Test_Week
16:28:11 <sumantro> bcotton, I tried basic echo tests with zoom
16:28:24 <adamw> #info i18n test day is officially tomorrow, but feel free to get started! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-09_I18N_Test_Day
16:28:48 <adamw> #info then IoT Test Day is on Wednesday: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-10_Fedora_34_IoT_Edition
16:29:18 <sumantro> adamw, one last note, i3 test day and GNOME test day are on the cards, more details to come next week
16:29:34 <adamw> #info ...and finally for now, systemd-oomd test week starts next Thursday: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-18_Systemd-OOMd_Test_Week
16:29:42 <adamw> thanks sumantro! it's a busy time :)
16:29:56 <sumantro> adamw, np :D
16:29:58 <sumantro> indeed
16:30:04 <adamw> I noticed a few of the pages aren't in the f34 test days category, can you check through and add the ones that are missing? thanks
16:30:04 <lruzicka[m]> sumantro++
16:30:14 <bcotton> sumantro++
16:30:15 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for sumantro changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:30:17 * nirik notes google meet now has a 'test your setup' thing... lets you record a short clip and play it back.
16:30:32 <adamw> did audio test week hit any interesting/significant bugs?
16:30:33 <sumantro> adamw, I will check and update the main template as well
16:30:45 <nirik> mobility sig -> #fedora-meeting-1
16:31:24 <adamw> putting the category in the template is tricky since we do them by release :/
16:32:04 <sumantro> adamw currently its a part of the template where its f33 AFIK
16:32:10 <sumantro> but i will take care of that one
16:32:21 <adamw> i think i used to leave them out and do it by hand but there's no good choices, heh
16:32:23 <adamw> thanks
16:32:50 <sumantro> adamw, on the audio front, there are some bugs reported by folks
16:33:42 <sumantro> lruzicka[m], are we having another test week for audio?
16:34:35 <lruzicka[m]> sumantro: I believe we should have one between Beta and Final, too, but not right from the start so that there is time to fix
16:35:09 <lruzicka[m]> I would say that mostly it is fine, there are some BT issues -> limited support with some BT devices
16:35:12 <sumantro> lruzicka[m], thanks for that information and all the test cases. I will keep a room for that
16:35:22 <sumantro> lruzicka++
16:35:22 <zodbot> sumantro: Karma for lruzicka changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:35:26 <lruzicka[m]> also, some tests could not be performed on silverblue, because the packages were not there
16:35:51 <lruzicka[m]> I guess I did not realize that, will need to update the test cases
16:36:23 <lruzicka[m]> to make it fully testable on silver blue, too
16:37:30 <lruzicka[m]> and also, sometimes devices are not switched to automatically, they must be rerouted manually.
16:38:21 <adamw> did the missing packages on silverblue seem like a bug or just a choice?
16:39:06 <lruzicka[m]> well, maybe
16:39:48 <lruzicka[m]> for testing we needed pipewire-utils and pulseaudio-utils, which provide the CLI stuff, but we could skip it on silverblue
16:40:21 <lruzicka[m]> however, if routing could only be achieved through pavucontrol, maybe we should recommend adding pavucontrol to a default installation.
16:40:30 <adamw> there is a way to overlay packages in ostree systems, iirc.
16:40:39 <lruzicka[m]> currently, pavucontrol is not installed by default
16:40:44 <adamw> can the GNOME volume panel thing not do routing?
16:41:54 <lruzicka[m]> well, possibly it can .. maybe we should focus more on Gnome Settings, too
16:43:12 <adamw> worth looking into
16:43:19 <adamw> OK, thanks again to sumantro for all his work there
16:43:21 <adamw> anything else on community events?
16:43:44 <sumantro> adamw, nothing else for now
16:43:47 <lruzicka[m]> ok, I will test it more and perhaps add this to the test cases
16:47:44 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:47:49 <adamw> any other business?
16:48:48 <copperi> lruzicka++
16:48:48 <zodbot> copperi: Karma for lruzicka changed to 5 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:51:13 <adamw> i guess not!
16:51:33 <adamw> blocker review is at the top of the hour, so i'll end a bit early to give people time to get coffee
16:51:36 <adamw> thanks a lot for coming, folks
16:51:51 <copperi> thanks adamw
16:51:54 <lruzicka[m]> thank you, Adam
16:53:49 <adamw> #endmeeting