15:00:53 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:53 Meeting started Mon May 9 15:00:53 2022 UTC. 15:00:53 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:53 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 15:00:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:53 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:00:58 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:58 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:01:02 #topic Roll Call 15:01:07 .hello2 15:01:08 bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' 15:01:08 ahoyhoy everyone, who's around for qa meeting funtimes? 15:01:16 * bittin is 15:01:22 .hello2 15:01:23 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 15:01:31 .hello2 15:01:32 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:03:41 .hello2 15:03:42 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 15:04:04 Morning 15:04:11 afternoon 15:05:13 how's everyone doing 15:05:24 i am alright 15:06:27 good good 15:06:46 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:07:14 #info "adamw to consider updating network criteria proposal to cover types of network connection (wired, wireless, security types...)" - still didn't get around to this thanks to f36 work, will do it now f36 is done 15:07:18 .hello geraldosimiao 15:07:19 geraldosimiao: geraldosimiao 'Geraldo S. Simião Kutz' 15:07:26 #action adamw to consider updating network criteria proposal to cover types of network connection (wired, wireless, security types...) 15:07:31 but you did consider it, so it's okay 15:07:32 any other follow-up? 15:08:37 this is true, i definitely considered it! 15:08:52 i considered so hard 15:09:57 * kparal somewhat present 15:11:01 #topic Fedora 36 status 15:11:11 so, we are releasing RC5 as F36 Final tomorrow 15:11:19 #info RC5 was signed off last Thursday and will release tomorrow 15:11:35 woot! 15:11:44 kparal: has been working on the common issues, thanks 15:11:50 Ready for Release tommorow :) saw kparal and jgrulicz do the last work on Media writer 5.0 today also :) 15:12:13 and helped out myself with some last testing and translations of various webpage/media writer things 15:12:15 though looking at the front page of the common issues forum, i'm not...super happy with how it looks compared to our nice per-release curated wiki pages, honestly :| 15:12:59 so guess its time to start F37/rawhide testing now if people are not already :p 15:13:57 bittin: indeed it is 15:14:32 #info common bugs are being listed at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/tags/c/common-issues/f36 , propose new ones at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/c/common-issues/common-issues-proposed/142 15:14:39 #undo 15:14:39 Removing item from minutes: INFO by adamw at 15:14:32 : common bugs are being listed at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/tags/c/common-issues/f36 , propose new ones at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/c/common-issues/common-issues-proposed/142 15:15:14 #info common bugs are being listed at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/tags/c/common-issues/f36 , draft new entries at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/c/common-issues/common-issues-proposed/142 , if there's any bug you think should be listed, add the CommonBugs keyword to it 15:15:40 i don't think any terrible scares emerged over the weekend, right? testing of the new fmw seems to have worked out well 15:16:41 FMW seem to be fine, I tested it again today 15:16:53 not the official build, though, hmm 15:16:55 had not had time to test fmw 5 over the weekend, but finished the Swedish translation for the release earlier today, also Online F36 Release Party this weekend \o/ 15:17:04 https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-36-release-party/registration 15:17:16 cool! 15:19:06 anything else on F36, folks? 15:19:34 Not here. 15:19:56 well 15:20:04 adamw: the ibus common bug still needs to be documented 15:20:21 yeah, don't worry, i'm doing it today 15:20:52 i'm going to be creating an F36 retrospective survey in LimeSurvey later today. if there are any specific questions you want included, let me know 15:21:50 #topic Fedora 37 Change check-in 15:22:08 so, on the topic of F37, let's see where we are with accepted changes 15:22:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/37/ChangeSet 15:22:48 24? 15:23:10 yay for retiring 32-bit arm 15:24:02 * kparal afk 15:24:20 notables: dns over tls is back (we've tried this in each of the last couple of releases and it's broken stuff, we're trying again!), legacy xorg driver removal affects basic graphics mode so we'll need to focus on testing that in different cases, python 3.11 can affect installer, rpm 4.18 obviously can affect anything, "modular gnome keyring services" affects release-blocking functionality 15:24:30 and yes, yay for those! 15:24:46 any others to note that I missed? 15:28:16 #info notables: dns over tls is back (we've tried this in each of the last couple of releases and it's broken stuff, we're trying again!), legacy xorg driver removal affects basic graphics mode so we'll need to focus on testing that in different cases, python 3.11 can affect installer, rpm 4.18 obviously can affect anything, "modular gnome keyring services" affects release-blocking functionality 15:29:27 Worth noting that System-Wide Change proposals are due 28 June and a lot of the most fun ones come in close to the deadline 15:29:55 yes, true 15:30:08 #info note this list is not yet complete, we will review it again after the deadline on june 28 15:32:01 #topic Test Day / community event status 15:32:10 don't know if we have anything here, it's usually quiet around this time 15:32:16 sumantro: here, by any chance? 15:32:35 Online Release Party for F36 on Hopin this weekend 13-15th May 15:32:49 https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-36-release-party/ 15:33:37 thanks luna! 15:33:49 #info there will be an online F36 release party May 13-15, see above link 15:35:14 When exactly will freeze end? 15:35:23 Utc time 15:35:53 jednorozec: mboddu nirik do you know? 15:36:18 actually, i think pushes already started? 15:36:37 adamw: releng freeze is over, infra freeze lifts on Wed 15:36:44 based on the BZ update emails over the weekend, that seems tob e the case 15:37:16 yeah, indeed. update pushes to f36 stable already started. so if you see something that isn't pushed, it's not submitted.\ 15:37:17 Releng freeze lifts off in couple of hours after we are Go on Thu 15:37:55 well, the first stable push isn't until friday after all the packages in the release are tagged 15:37:57 but yeah 15:38:03 tomorrow 15:38:12 oh interesting 15:38:57 so last friday 15:39:27 Yup 15:39:32 how long have i been doing this? i probably say the same things every cycle... 15:41:10 alrighty then... 15:41:13 #topic Open floor 15:41:19 any other business, folks? 15:41:25 * bittin does not have anything currently 15:41:56 Nope 15:42:03 So, I think we need some guidance on the GUI application testing automation. 15:42:29 I believe that there needs to be a solid required minimum that we will test. 15:42:57 And this should be a group task. 15:44:23 i kinda suspect whatever the line winds up being, it'll be 'a lot more than we have right now' 15:44:38 and going for the apps we already explicitly list out in the criteria would be the obvious choice 15:46:04 these only list a limited amount of applications -> with those we did not have problems 15:47:13 not this cycle, but we might next time. (well, actually, we did catch a code highlighting bug in g-t-e) 15:49:04 adamw, because we tested it, so we could catch it. 15:49:43 For what exactly shall I test with Gnome Calendar? How? How many events should be added in a row, how many deleted? 15:50:21 it's a good question, i'm not sure 15:50:47 the more complicated we make the test, the harder it is to maintain and the more false failures we'll get 15:51:22 and it doesn't feel right to write that level of detail into the criteria for every app... 15:51:53 what's the action item here? 15:52:47 I will send a question to the SiGs and let the make the choice? 15:55:15 Remembered the Monty Phytons Holly Hand Granade: 15:55:15 You should count to three, not four. 15:55:15 To five you should not count, not even two... 15:55:26 i guess it'd get rolled into the larger ongoing discussion about what we actually want the criteria to be 15:55:39 excepting that you then proceed to three 15:57:17 so we should start it as soon as possible :) we need some time to work on it, too 15:58:46 well, i think we still have a lot of work to just test very basic operation of each listed app 15:58:53 we can always tweak the tests from there afterwards 15:59:30 ok, I have already started with Nautilus :) 15:59:41 #action lruzicka to add question about exact required automated test coverage for desktop apps to one of the ongoing discussions with desktop team (mailing list or ticket) 15:59:44 that ok? 15:59:48 sure 16:00:08 alright, well, that's time 16:00:12 thanks for coming, folks! 16:00:15 #endmeeting