15:00:34 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
15:00:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 27 15:00:34 2022 UTC.
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15:00:40 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:45 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:01:06 <nielsenb> Here
15:01:09 <tflink[m]> .hello
15:01:09 <zodbot> tflink[m]: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
15:01:30 <adamw> morning morning
15:01:40 <tflink[m]> .hello tflink
15:01:41 <zodbot> tflink[m]: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@tirfa.us>
15:02:44 <lruzicka_> .hello lruzicka
15:02:45 <zodbot> lruzicka_: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:03:31 <coremodule> .hello2
15:03:32 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
15:04:00 <andi89gi[m]> afternoons
15:04:15 <nielsenb> middays
15:04:31 * kparal won't attend today, sorry
15:04:53 <adamw> morning is the only acceptable answer
15:05:04 <adamw> if it's not morning your sun is broken
15:05:16 <andi89gi[m]> adamw:  Morning :)
15:05:17 <adamw> very good!
15:05:26 <nielsenb> I'm on my 3rd cup of coffee, if we're still calling it "morning", I may have to admin it's a problem
15:05:30 <adamw> how's everyone doing?
15:05:31 <andi89gi[m]> doing quite fine :)
15:06:03 <andi89gi[m]> ok
15:06:10 <coremodule> doing alright!
15:06:59 <lruzicka_> I'm fine, thanks
15:11:31 <adamw> alllrighty
15:11:32 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:11:54 <adamw> "lruzicka to add question about exact required automated test coverage for desktop apps to one of the ongoing discussions with desktop team (mailing list or ticket)" - did you do that, lruzicka?
15:13:59 <lruzicka_> I forgot to do it, sorry.
15:14:24 <lruzicka_> I will do it asap.
15:14:40 <adamw> okey dokey, we'll add it back
15:15:04 <adamw> #info "lruzicka to add question about exact required automated test coverage for desktop apps to one of the ongoing discussions with desktop team (mailing list or ticket)" - this was forgotten, we'll add it back
15:15:10 <adamw> #action lruzicka to add question about exact required automated test coverage for desktop apps to one of the ongoing discussions with desktop team (mailing list or ticket)
15:15:19 <adamw> #topic Fedora 37 check-in
15:17:34 <adamw> #info Python 3.11 has been merged into rawhide, mostly successfully
15:17:41 <adamw> #info Rawhide is composing and mostly passing openQA tests at the moment
15:18:16 <adamw> #info the x86_64 netinst images are oversize, i'll be looking into that this week
15:19:34 <adamw> #info branch is approaching on Augst 9th
15:19:41 <adamw> anything else on rawhide/f37?
15:22:16 <adamw> i guess not!
15:22:21 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:23:53 <adamw> it looks like we're still trying to pin down the details for the next onboarding event
15:25:23 <adamw> and some test days are in the works but no dates yet
15:25:24 <adamw> anyone know anything else?
15:26:54 <nielsenb> I don't
15:27:07 <andi89gi[m]> I don't
15:27:10 <nielsenb> I'm curious if anyone has played with Kiwi for test cases
15:27:20 <adamw> not yet
15:27:33 <adamw> we've got open floor next, so let's switch to that...
15:27:34 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:27:58 <nielsenb> I'm curious if anyone has played with Kiwi for test cases
15:28:00 <nielsenb> :D
15:28:17 <coremodule> tflink set it up, if you want access, you can ask him to set you up with it (if you haven't already)
15:28:33 <coremodule> I played with the instance a few months ago
15:28:37 <adamw> #info tflink has posted details on a demo instance of Kiwi as a potential alternative to 'wikitcms': https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/B4XLKXQF2VNENSESWJGRHIYALOKSI6EQ/ and https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3YJYN7HT4B44W37S7HHNC44IDEEP47B7/
15:28:39 <andi89gi[m]> nielsenb: not yet tbh
15:28:41 <adamw> you can message him for access if you want to play with it
15:28:59 <nielsenb> I was going to, but this is the first time I've had to sit in front of a computer and think about Fedora for more than 30s in a couple of months
15:29:05 <tflink[m]> y'all beat me to it. I was going to mention the TCMS discussion
15:31:02 <adamw> nielsenb: heh. i don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing?
15:31:51 <nielsenb> A little of both
15:35:14 <nielsenb> I guess my one thought on Kiwi without having played with it yet, is that it feels a bit like replacing one "only used by Fedora QA" tool with another "only used by Fedora QA" tool
15:35:44 <nielsenb> I realize Kiwi is used by other projects, but from a "use within Fedora" standpoint
15:37:21 <tflink[m]> yeah, there is an element of that. unfortunately, there isn't really a tool that more than one distro uses for managing test cases
15:38:01 <adamw> and there's no part of Fedora other than QA which really handles test cases
15:38:14 <adamw> so, we're a bit sort of inherently stuck out on a limb :| that's why this has been one of those areas we constantly keep coming back to, because there's no obvious choice
15:38:28 <adamw> and the thing we have now is very silly but works surprisingly well
15:39:02 <nielsenb> I agree, and relval is a decently user friendly way of abstracting away a lot of the silliness
15:39:12 <tflink[m]> yeah, pretty much. it sounds like a really dumb idea until you get into the details, realize there isn't a good solution and it works pretty well for what we need
15:43:26 <adamw> so, yeah, there's that, please do poke around with it and see what you think if you're interested
15:43:49 <adamw> and of course i'd be happy to take any improvements to the relval CLI stuff if anyone wants to work on that. you can work on making the CLI interface a bit better without actually having to deal with any/much of the wiki craziness, i think
15:44:32 <adamw> one thing i always want myself but have been too lazy to write (because you'd have to rearrange things a bit) is a 'go back' option, for when you picked the wrong page section or whatever...
15:44:51 <nielsenb> Yeah, that is probably my biggest complaint with it
15:47:13 <adamw> anyway, the code for it is at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/relval/blob/main/f/relval/report_results.py . be kind, i wrote it a long time ago and i'm not proud. :D it also doesn't have any tests, sadly.
15:48:23 <nielsenb> Have you considered reimplementing in Rust? Maybe as a fun weekend project? :D
15:48:47 <adamw> .fire nielsenb no
15:48:47 <zodbot> adamw fires nielsenb no
15:49:15 <nielsenb> ...vala...? *ducks*
15:49:40 <cmurf> oh a QA meeting is happening :P
15:51:13 <adamw> i need a bigger cannon
15:51:26 <adamw> i could rewrite it in perl, that'd help with contributions!
15:51:35 <adamw> everyone loves perl, right?
15:51:50 <andi89gi[m]> adamw: The answer must be YES:)
15:51:53 <lruzicka_> sure, there are like 1000 people waiting to join
15:52:08 <lruzicka_> only Python prevented them to do so
15:54:15 <adamw> sounds like we're about all done here, right? anyone got any other burning concerns?
15:54:46 <andi89gi[m]> we
15:54:47 <andi89gi[m]> are done from my side :)
15:54:53 <nielsenb> I don't
15:55:10 <lruzicka_> not at the moment
15:58:42 <adamw> alrighty, thanks for coming everyone
15:58:48 <adamw> #endmeeting