17:00:11 <pboy> #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 16 17:00:11 2022 UTC. 17:00:11 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:11 <zodbot> The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:19 <pboy> #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:24 <cooltshirtguy> hello 17:00:28 <pboy> Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:00:35 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello <fasname> 17:00:43 <pboy> I’ll post the agenda in a few minutes. 17:00:52 <cooltshirtguy> .hello cooltshirtguy 17:00:53 <zodbot> cooltshirtguy: cooltshirtguy 'Jason Beard' <jas_beard@hotmail.com> 17:01:15 <pboy> hi cooltshirtguy 17:01:30 <cooltshirtguy> hello pboy 17:01:31 <jwhimpel> .hello2 17:01:32 <zodbot> jwhimpel: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' <john@jlhimpel.net> 17:01:50 <pboy> hi jwhimpel 17:02:09 <jwhimpel> pboy: Good afternoon (here) 17:02:23 <pboy> good evening (here). :-) 17:02:35 <cooltshirtguy> hi jwhimpel 17:04:14 <pboy> Well, I'll give the agenda and hope there are still some participating 17:04:22 <pboy> #topic Agenda 17:04:29 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting 17:04:36 <pboy> #info 1. Follow up actions 17:04:42 <pboy> #info 2. Fedora 36 tests 17:04:50 <pboy> #info 3. Planning Fedora 37 17:04:57 <pboy> #info 4. Open Floor 17:05:06 <pboy> Any additional topic ? 17:05:44 <pboy> OK none 17:05:53 <pboy> Some announcements 17:06:04 <pboy> #info startet to contact members who had not been with us for longer than a half year und didn’t contribute anything 17:06:14 <pboy> #info Tried to contact Subhendu Ghosh (sghosh). There is no FAS account and no mail address available. 17:06:28 <pboy> Does anyone has contact with him? 17:06:36 <pboy> Otherwise we should withdraw him from the list of approved members as long as we don’t have contact. 17:06:48 <pboy> Any objections? 17:07:02 <jwhimpel> No objection here 17:07:13 <pboy> #agreed Will withdraw Subhendu Ghosh from the list of approved members for the time being. 17:07:15 <cooltshirtguy> nope 17:08:00 <pboy> I've also contacted Nick Bebout, Matthias Houngbo and Ben Williams. Waiting for reply. 17:08:22 <pboy> #info We have a lot of =new= members who contributed various work. I will prepare a list of new members we can approve by voting (in about 4-6 weeks). 17:08:46 <pboy> as a replacement for inactive members 17:09:02 <pboy> Any comments? 17:09:17 <jwhimpel> Sounds reasonable 17:09:28 <pboy> OK, next topic 17:09:29 <cooltshirtguy> sounds good to me 17:09:39 <pboy> #topic 1. Follow up actions 17:09:47 <pboy> Currently, so far as I see, there are various action running as planned. There is nothing to touch in the moment. 17:09:56 <pboy> So we could save time and skip this topic? Or is there anything I missed? Or any objections to skip? 17:10:12 <jwhimpel> Somewhat aside, I think we need to recruit someone who understands and can teach us how to alter the Server Edition build processes. 17:10:51 <cooltshirtguy> that would be interesting 17:11:20 <pboy> We have Stephen Gallagher and Kevin Fenzi (nirik) 17:11:42 <pboy> But there should be more of us who are able 17:12:06 * sgallagh waves 17:12:10 <pboy> I currently try to learn. 17:12:30 <pboy> hi Stephen! 17:12:31 <sgallagh> Sorry I haven’t been more available. Work has been intense recently. 17:12:52 <pboy> But you were always abailable when we were in need. 17:13:10 <pboy> Much more as some others. Thank you a lot! 17:13:28 <pboy> Next topic? 17:13:53 <pboy> #topic 2. Fedora 36 tests 17:14:01 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/64 17:14:19 <pboy> We have here a new quite surprising issue 17:14:29 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/80 17:14:37 <pboy> some time to read? 17:18:24 <jwhimpel> This illustrates the need for us to learn packaging procedures and have the ability to define our own meta-packages. 17:18:25 <pboy> In the meantime I've figured out and tested locally the list of packages we have to install. About 15, 12 alone for libvirt 17:18:41 <pboy> I'll publish the list in a comment after out meeting. 17:19:11 <pboy> jwhimpel +1 17:20:39 <pboy> What about the plan to modify virtualization-headless? I think, sgallagh knows best, if that is a viable plan. I don't know enough about the build process. 17:21:23 <cooltshirtguy> less is better with headless in my opinion 17:21:42 <sgallagh> I haven’t looked at it too thoroughly except in relation to cockpit-machines 17:22:07 <sgallagh> But I can take a deeper look at that. 17:22:14 <pboy> cooltshirtguy: what do you mean with less? 17:22:22 <cooltshirtguy> less packages 17:22:45 <pboy> Ok, can we agree sgallagh and pboy work on it? 17:22:58 <jwhimpel> +1 17:23:04 <sgallagh> Sure 17:23:43 <pboy> #action sgallagh and pboy work on #80 17:24:26 <pboy> Other test experiences (newer than last meeting) 17:25:08 <jwhimpel> The migration to the "next generation" of ansible seems to be working fine. 17:25:34 <pboy> That is very reassuring. 17:25:51 <jwhimpel> I had a bit of trouble with F36 VM's locking up with accessing though console on virt-manager, but recent updates seem to have cured those issues. 17:25:52 <pboy> We'll need Ansible a lot in the next months, I thin. 17:26:50 <cooltshirtguy> good chance to learn some ansible 17:26:50 <pboy> I read somewhere, that there are specific configuration of a VM for work with oVirt. Don't remember details. 17:27:37 <pboy> OK, no comments, switch topic. 17:27:40 <pboy> 3 17:27:44 <pboy> 2 17:27:52 <pboy> 1 17:28:01 <pboy> #topic 3. Planning Fedora 37 17:28:10 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/79 17:28:23 <pboy> we have a lot of ongoing plans. 17:28:36 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/51 17:28:44 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/53 17:29:01 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/54 17:29:10 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/65 17:30:21 <pboy> I would like to create a Server VM image as ad additional distribution file. (#53) 17:30:22 <cooltshirtguy> I like #54. espically about showing updates available on login 17:31:21 <pboy> We would have to change the build process. It is doable, but not that simple 17:31:36 <pboy> I would appreciate that much. 17:32:02 <cooltshirtguy> understandable 17:32:22 <jwhimpel> Hence my earlier suggestion of adding someone very knowledgeable from the Release Management team as a "volunteer consultant" to teach us how to DYI. 17:33:06 <jwhimpel> s/DYI/DIY/ 17:33:23 <pboy> jwhimpel +1 But is is primarly a matter of reading (and finding) the info 17:33:57 <pboy> Question is, how can we do that? 17:34:11 <jwhimpel> It could be, but my limited experience is the documentation is for those that already know how to perform these tasks. 17:34:51 <pboy> jwhimpel yes, in many cases. But reading 3 or 5 times helps. 17:36:03 <pboy> #proposed: I'll document the steps to fix #80 and cooltshirtguy will develop a plan how to do it, and we discuss it next meeting? 17:36:23 <jwhimpel> Mohan Boddu (mboddu) is the Fedora T/L for Release Management. Perhaps contact him and ask for suggestions and ideas on how to proceed. 17:36:40 <cooltshirtguy> ok 17:37:13 <pboy> I think we have sgallagh who knows specifically about. server 17:37:41 * mboddu reading back 17:37:44 <pboy> I think we have sgallagh, who knows best specifically about server 17:38:04 <pboy> mboddu welcome 17:38:46 <sgallagh> Sorry, what’s the question? 17:38:48 <mboddu> Hello pboy 17:39:01 <mboddu> Yeah, I also dont follow the question 17:39:32 <pboy> sgallagh no question, just a statement (that you will help us) 17:39:44 <sgallagh> Okay 17:40:24 <jwhimpel> We would like to setup a new install group known as "headless server". At least I have no idea how to find the procedures on how to go about this and get it into anaconda, etc. 17:40:28 <pboy> The problem / question is, we have new memvers (like me) who must / want learn about the build process, so we can make modifications to server distributable 17:41:27 <sgallagh> We actually have some groups like that already 17:41:31 <pboy> jwhimpel I learnt how to modify virtualization-headless, but I don't know it that is viable 17:42:01 <pboy> what groups? learning groups? 17:42:40 <eseyman> hi, folks. Sorry I'm late 17:42:45 <eseyman> .hello2 eseyman 17:42:46 <zodbot> eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' <emmanuel@seyman.fr> 17:42:54 <sgallagh> Groups in comps.xml for headless operations. 17:43:01 <pboy> eseyman welcome, late but not too late 17:43:46 <pboy> sgallagh yes, indeed. We will use that to fix virtualization installation 17:44:16 <pboy> OK, i think we use learning by doing. 17:44:49 <pboy> Next meeting we discuss (and learn) cooltshirtguy findings an plan. 17:45:31 <cooltshirtguy> woohoo 17:45:33 <jwhimpel> sgallagh: Unfortunately, it brings in a lot of GUI interface packages. Many in our community only use CLI and ansible/puppet/chef/etc to maintain our servers. This change could probably reduce our footprint considerably. 17:46:00 <sgallagh> Right, I understand the request. I just haven't had time to address it. 17:46:22 <eseyman> note that there is a usecase for all the GUI interface stuff 17:46:31 <pboy> OK. Any additional comment? Otherwise a switch topic 17:46:46 <pboy> 3 17:46:49 <pboy> 2 17:46:53 <pboy> 1 17:46:55 <pboy> #topic 4. Open Floor 17:47:11 <pboy> We never had to much time for this topic before. 17:47:12 <sgallagh> eseyman: We can easily do both 17:47:13 <jwhimpel> Honest question: Is the above change something reserved for Rel Mgmt or should we learn to do ourselves? 17:47:23 <eseyman> sgallagh: agreed 17:47:50 <sgallagh> jwhimpel: It's not reserved for Rel Mgmt, though it will usually be reviewed by them 17:48:29 <pboy> In the end it is the PR workflow which prevents the wrong changes from coming in. 17:48:45 <jwhimpel> That's why I was hoping to find a Rel Mgmt mentor to help us learn how to do this properly. 17:49:23 <sgallagh> I'm not formally a releng person, but I've got a lot of history with this, so I'll try to mentor you 17:49:45 <pboy> sgallagh +1 ! 17:49:55 <jwhimpel> +2 :-) 17:50:08 <pboy> It is indeed very important that as many members of the WG as possible know how this works! 17:50:50 <cooltshirtguy> +3 17:50:51 <pboy> We are a lot on new members, who never had dealt with such things (including me) 17:51:32 <pboy> Any coments? 17:51:49 <cooltshirtguy> nope 17:52:05 <pboy> Otherwise it would the first time we are finishes so early. 17:52:22 <pboy> OK, see you next meeting or on thje mailing list. 17:52:25 <pboy> Bye bye 17:52:30 <eseyman> goodbye, folks 17:52:34 <pboy> #endmeeting