17:00:08 #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:08 Meeting started Wed Jul 5 17:00:08 2023 UTC. 17:00:08 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:08 The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:08 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:19 #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:30 Welcome to our Server WG IRC meeting today! 17:00:41 „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:00:52 Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello 17:01:00 I’ll post the agenda in 2 minutes. 17:01:16 .hello2 17:01:17 jwhimpel: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' 17:01:24 .hello2 17:01:25 cooltshirtguy: cooltshirtguy 'Jason Beard' 17:03:04 .hello2 17:03:05 eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' 17:04:37 Welcome everybody! Our core team is complete again. 17:04:53 Let's starrt with the agenda 17:05:03 #topic Agenda 17:05:13 info Follow up actions 17:05:24 #info Fedora Server on Flock 2023 17:05:34 #info Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria? 17:05:48 #info F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:05:59 #info F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:06:11 #info Open floor 17:06:22 Any topic to add? 17:06:52 OK, none obviously 17:06:56 nope 17:07:02 disconnects-- 17:07:13 #topic 1. Follow up actions 17:07:26 #info ACTION: pboy will write a info about changing the timeout value and nirik will review – still work in progress 17:07:48 #info ACTION: eseyman will review the NFS documentation - still WIP 17:08:03 Will hopefully not become a running gag :-) 17:08:13 But at the moment we have more urgent tasks, but should not forget about it. 17:08:22 Anything to add here? 17:08:27 yes, still WIP for my part 17:08:40 Yeah, for my part as well 17:09:15 We may make it "hopefully soon" 17:09:25 Well, next topic 17:09:39 #topic 2. Fedora Server on Flock 2023 17:09:42 NFS instructions are using nfs.conf instead of /etc/exports 17:10:53 cooltshirtguy maybe, that's the issue? We should check the rpm 17:11:13 But let us keep this for open floor 17:11:36 Proposed presentation Flock contributions: 17:11:37 its the instructions 17:11:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/102#comment-862197 17:12:03 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110#comment-862196 17:12:15 Some information: in a bunch 17:12:29 AS it looks at the moment the committee has accepted and is planning with a presentation: 17:12:37 Fedora Server Edition – Quo Vadis? 17:12:48 Unfortunately a workshop about Server in virtual environment, that I proposed, too, didn't make it. 17:13:00 I would like to make a first draft in the next about 7 days and send it around for comments and additions and corrections, and .... 17:13:08 I think about 4 topics so far 17:13:19 - current state (hopefully with some download statistics) 17:13:31 - Upcoming overhaul of the installation media 17:13:42 - main focus is a universal and completely configurable and adjustable Edition (i.e. multi-purpose edition) Therefore keeping the package distribution style. 17:13:51 - Support special case ("single purpose) with a dedicated installation media: "power saving arm home lab appliance", maybe using OSTree instead of packages 17:14:02 - Another possible special case ("single purpose): Server as host for virtual machines, maybe that supports/includes something like proxmox management tools or oVirt. And maybe use OSTree, too (because auf single purpose edition). 17:14:15 Any ideas or comments or wishes to include or to leave something off? 17:14:29 eom (end of bunch) 17:15:51 I like the VM host idea 17:17:34 THey all sound reasonable to me. 17:17:42 Any other comment / idea? Or are you still reading? 17:17:51 they sound good 17:18:45 Yeah, I think it is a plan for 2 years to so. So we will have to decide about an ordering. No now, but sometime 17:19:07 we could get off into the weeds with multiple "special cases" 17:19:33 Yes, we may not create to many of them, indeed. 17:19:54 Or may be, we only create one of them. 17:20:29 I would prefer to work on the Server as VM host project first. 17:20:47 Agreed 17:21:04 But I've heard of many people looking for a good home server solution. 17:23:14 About the procedure: I would send my draft / drafts as a LibreOffice file. This is the best for me. Is that OK for everyone? Can someone not read this? 17:23:38 And by direct mail. 17:23:53 I can read them okay. 17:24:03 yes, that's fine 17:24:14 OK, thanks 17:24:19 thats fine 17:25:12 So, I suppose that's all at the moment? Discussion will come up with the first draft, I think and hope. 17:25:22 lol 17:26:01 yeah 17:26:50 On the practical procedure: So far none of us besides me will join Flock this year. Or is there a change? 17:27:12 sorry, no 17:27:27 nope 17:27:31 nope 17:28:13 I can make the presentation alone, but I need support with the preparation: Wording, check of arguments, what want we to say, what probably not at the moment. 17:28:58 The presentation itself is my day job. That's routine 17:29:45 So I hope for a lot of comments. Even if it's just an OK. :-) 17:29:50 Post url's on M/L and I'll try to review. 17:30:09 Yes, I will. 17:30:22 Let's switch to next topic? 17:30:43 #topic Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria? 17:30:53 No issue created yet. 17:31:04 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VKTFTPD5SXYX7YLRU7LFVWKYKKJL5H56/ 17:31:14 I have no opinon on the matter 17:31:14 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/could-we-drop-active-directory-requirements-from-fedora-release-criteria/84434 17:31:59 Well, the current plan / proposal is to try and implement automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:32:15 I' would expect, that there is no drawback using Samba AD. 17:32:32 And we would keep everything as is. 17:32:40 I don't have any opinion as I don't use anything with Active Directory. 17:33:02 Me too (i.e. don't use it) 17:33:13 I assume the FreeIPA folks might have an opinion. 17:33:57 Yes, they came up with the proposal of using Samba and the request to keep it a criteria 17:34:34 I'm ok with dropping it. I've never used Samba AD personally or in an enterprise environment 17:36:11 I'm on the fence either way. 17:36:23 cooltshirtguy yes, but for sake of Server as a reliable production tool we shouldn't trade off a feature which has a central role at the moment. 17:37:26 I suppose we agree about: WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:37:50 any objections? 17:37:55 nope 17:38:02 no 17:38:05 No objection 17:38:17 #agreed WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. 17:38:29 OK, next one 17:38:43 #topic 3. F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC 17:38:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108 17:39:01 Objective here. Deciding about the next steps 17:39:16 I suppose it is: Compose a list of SBCs someone of us own and can use for testing 17:39:25 And a list of about 5 devices that are available on the market and that looks as if it is useful. 17:39:34 Currently, we have this (as a proposal / first draft) 17:39:45 #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/reference-list/ 17:39:56 The goal is to assess each device and provide some additional information on capabilities and installation. I did that very briefly for the Radxa Pi4 and the Pine64 RockPro64. We should also systematize this additional information somewhat. 17:40:10 The floor is open. :-) 17:41:15 I seem to recall something about using the VM currently being used by ansible/Wildfly testing being used for something different at FLOCK. Is that the case? 17:42:37 I can't remember. We can do that, the VM is capable enough. But we must not in any case interfere with the Wildfly Project !!! I think 17:43:28 It wouldn't be a problem to set up another VM for another project. There is plenty of power and space 17:43:48 Good. I hope to start testing some updates next week to get TLS to work with a reverse proxy frontend. 17:44:34 Very good. That is my question out of topic: wheather we can continue with it. 17:45:15 s/wheather/whether/ 17:45:22 :-) 17:45:25 I've been tapped at work to deliver a SMTP gateway by end of week 17:45:42 I'll document the process and rebase it on Fedora Server afterwards 17:45:57 Looking forward to it!! 17:46:03 interesting 17:46:19 I'm pfeparing a tutorial setting up a mail service. 17:46:41 I'll publish it in stg till end of week. 17:46:50 So we can coordinate! 17:47:07 nice 17:47:12 pboy: the linuxbabe.com site has a good writeup on email setup on Centos 8 that might be helpful. 17:47:42 jwhimpel: Didn't found that. Thanks, I'll have a look. 17:48:08 But back to topic. 17:48:28 I remeber, some of us have / own one or more SBCs 17:48:45 Can we add those to the list above? 17:50:31 i have pi4's. 17:50:56 Yeah, can you use one temporarly for testing? 17:51:08 I have several ODROID-N2's, but I'm only running Ubuntu Server on them. There is someone on their forum that claims to get Fedora Workstation running on them, but no details on how. 17:52:10 If I remeber correctly, the N2 is support, it's nearly the only ODROID if I remeber correctly. 17:52:22 I'll check it. 17:52:57 yeppers 17:53:26 eseyman can you use your (old) vim1 for testing? It's still a valuable device 17:53:39 pboy: Thanks! it's a very capable sbc. 17:53:42 that is the plan 17:53:46 OK. 17:54:19 So I'll add the devices to the draft. And next meeting we'll talk about the tests: OK? 17:54:47 I see no objections. 17:54:58 sure 17:55:25 Our time is nearly up. So I think we should skip 4 and proceed with open floor. Any objections? 17:55:45 configuring the flashstor and setting it up is my first priority but sure 17:56:17 Yeah. I'm looking forward how that works with fedora. 17:56:25 nope 17:56:28 Well, I switch now 17:56:38 #topic 5. Open Floor 17:56:51 (a) 17:56:51 We have a "Fedora Server 38 DVD" 17:57:02 What the hell is that? :-) 17:57:22 That sounds very old fashioned. We should change this to STD on this occasion, (F39) 17:57:55 I.e. "Fedora Server STD" instead of Fedora Server DVD" 17:58:20 Does anyone value DVD? 17:58:26 nope 17:58:31 no but STD is funny 17:58:36 PXE or USB all the way 17:59:06 cooltshirtguy. I had no better idea. Do you have one? 17:59:42 not at the moment, still laughing 17:59:52 SD 18:00:06 What means SD? 18:00:21 I'm not sure what STD means, TBH 18:00:33 STD for Standard 18:00:33 I'm stuck on the medical definition 18:00:38 ah 18:01:00 SD = standard 18:01:04 Or may be local? 18:01:34 okay, if SD is the commen abbreviation that would be fine for me 18:01:49 commen -> common 18:01:56 I just think we shouldnt use STD 18:02:25 Well, do we agree about STD? 18:02:42 Then I would go to releng for this 18:03:14 OK I think we agree 18:03:22 yes 18:03:28 (b) 18:03:28 Setting up a basic web server 18:03:37 I think STD is the correct abbreviation. I'll always laugh though 18:03:42 #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/ 18:03:52 There is obviously a bug in the ssl package configuration file. I need help to confirm the bug and the work around. 18:04:09 The description is part of the doc 18:04:21 A step back: STD is it. 18:04:44 GThe bug is a serious one regarding SSL connections 18:05:47 Well, anything else to discuss here? 18:06:35 nope 18:06:41 don't think so 18:07:14 OK. Our time is up. So we should close and meet in 14 days. 18:07:32 Bye Bye 18:07:47 And thanks to everyone for the good discussion. 18:08:03 #endmeeting