17:00:31 #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:31 Meeting started Wed Oct 18 17:00:31 2023 UTC. 17:00:31 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:31 The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:43 #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:43 Welcome to our Server WG IRC meeting today! 17:01:00 „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:01:10 Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello 17:01:14 .hello2 17:01:15 mowest: mowest 'Steve Daley' 17:01:42 Hi Mowst! Happy to meet you 17:02:02 .hello2 17:02:03 eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' 17:02:24 Two in a row of me, not bad after months of absense :-) 17:02:36 Hi eseyman! 17:02:44 mowest you can top it 17:02:51 make three in a row :-) 17:03:27 For the books the agenda now 17:03:36 #topic Agenda 17:03:47 #info Follow up actions 17:03:47 #info maximum size of aarch64 Server network install image 17:03:47 #info Fedora release 39 beta current state and how to continue 17:03:47 #info Fedora Server on F39 release party 17:03:47 #info Fedora Server WG meeting time after end of Summer Time 17:03:48 #info Work Project: Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly 17:03:48 #info F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:03:49 #info Open floor 17:04:06 It's a lot. Let's see how far we'll get. 17:04:18 Anything to add? 17:04:41 OK none 17:04:44 #topic 1. Follow up actions 17:04:46 Big agenda already, but sometime need to organize thoughts for Fedora Podcast 17:04:54 that's more than enough, IMHO 17:05:06 Nothing specific here, just the long running gag. 17:05:21 So, let's skip 17:05:38 #topic 2. maximum size of aarch64 Server network install image 17:05:48 #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3082 17:05:58 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/LGD2CLXH4KVHH3CMR53SGSY5RSGNN6YO/ 17:06:12 A short break for reading? 17:06:48 I looked into aarch64 isos for Ubuntu server, and it appears they don't even make a "network install" image, they just have their single Ubuntu Server iso for aarch64 which stands at over 2GB. So I'm okay with our change. 17:08:04 I'll argue the size limit doesn't make sense for aarch64 17:08:09 I agree with the desire to keep things small for areas with less connectivity, probably best to increase the iso size limit at this time for all the reasons stated in the change request. 17:09:49 My idea is as in the discussion: enlarge aarch64 because it is technically necessary and everyone who operates abn aaerch64 server will have enough bandwith 17:10:09 +1 for increasing, agreed 17:10:16 And let everything else unchanged. 17:10:35 yes 17:10:54 So proposed: Enlarge aarch64 net install media to 1 GB. Letting everything else as is. 17:11:06 +1 17:11:21 +1 for me 17:11:24 +1 17:11:27 OK 17:11:44 #agreed Enlarge aarch64 net install media to 1 GB. Letting everything else as is. 17:12:13 WE have on our working plan to review the installation media 17:12:40 We have a lot of bload in it. E.g. modules for OS-tree. 17:12:58 that is absolutely useless on server installation medoium. 17:13:27 now now.. someone somewhere must be using it sometime 17:13:54 Yes, but on Server? :-) 17:14:15 #topic 3. Fedora release 39 beta current state and how to continue 17:14:58 Just a question because I missed everything last week: Do we release on thuesday next week? 17:15:41 I have successfully installed and reattached during install to a btrfs array that acts as my /home. F39Beta is working just fine on that server. I have been using cockpit more on it, automatic updates are working on it as well. 17:16:05 mowest ++1 17:16:06 Go/No-go will be decided tomorrow 17:16:23 tomorrow. OK 17:16:41 Are all blockers resolved., do you know? 17:17:17 Seeing it running fine on my backup server, I will probably update to F39 on my main homelab server soon after release. 17:17:56 I have tested the X98 VM and it is working fine. 17:17:58 one blocker is 'NEW' 17:18:08 Oh, 17:18:43 Has someone tried on Raspberry and Co? 17:18:48 FTR, https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/39/final/buglist 17:19:42 This is over at Fedora Discussion https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-39-server-does-not-boot-on-raspberry-pi-4-from-microsd-card-slot/92755 17:21:00 Thanks for the link. I think, it's still a lot. 17:22:16 I have a RPi4 with 4GB at home, I could possibly do some tests, but haven't done a lot with Fedora on RPi because most of my RPi's are older and not supported by Fedora 17:22:33 moest 17:22:56 according to the bug, this is being actively investigated 17:23:21 mowest a pi 4 with 4 gb is fine. Please check. I'll check tomorrow my Rockchip devices. 17:23:44 eseyman well actively investigated. 17:24:05 Doesn't look like a solutoin fpr tomorrow 17:25:35 At least mowest had the installation disk woking and me our VM. So I think, we checked the most important things. 17:25:46 Looking at docs for installing Fedora on SBC, this looks complicated. Is there anyway that we can get an image that works with the RPi installer that they created. Ubuntu Server has an image that works with the RPi imager program. 17:26:20 Fedora has a different aproach 17:26:22 Yes, I used the Network Install of the x86 iso for my install on my homelab server. 17:26:49 One install image, which gets adjusted to the hardware at installation time. 17:27:09 That way we can support a range of devices 17:27:18 with one install media 17:27:35 Did you mean our server documentation? 17:28:16 Yes 17:28:21 By the way, the RPI is preconfigured. 17:28:49 You can just copy with balena, without any adjustments. 17:29:37 Yes, it a bit long. We should try to improve it after F39 release. 17:29:45 Do we have a special place where the RPi images exist for Fedora server? If what you say is the case I could probably test it this week. 17:30:14 mowest yes, it is directly on the server download page. 17:30:59 You can take the aarch64 SBC image and transfer it to a uSD card using balena - or dd 17:31:28 https://www.fedoraproject.org/server/download/ 17:31:53 But after that you have to adjust the system. On the card is 6 gb HD system, at least you have to expand the storage. 17:32:34 Well. let's see how the go/nogo meeting goes tomorrow 17:32:35 Do you image an SD card with the "raw" or the dvd iso? 17:32:59 With the rawQ 17:32:59 the raw file 17:33:09 Thanks 17:33:18 the iso is for quite expansive hardware 17:33:41 I didn't know the image was preconfigured for RPi 17:33:48 I wanted to buy one, but 3.000 Euro for the smallest system is a lot. 17:34:31 mowest is is burried in the ARM docs. And I tried it a while ago and it worked. 17:35:02 Do we have as Server WG a dedicated position about release in the current state? 17:35:45 I am fine with release, but my homelab testing has been for a very limited use case. 17:36:28 Yeah, my VM testing was for "real" servers. And it's OK 17:37:06 OK, I'll visit the meeting tomorrow as I did last release. And I will see then. 17:37:22 I think, we should switch 17:37:39 #topic 4. Fedora Server on F39 release party 17:37:57 My idea is, we should contribute as Server WG. 17:38:08 It's a kind of large video meeting 17:38:19 Any idea? 17:38:30 Is there a date set? 17:38:49 It is planned for begining of November 17:39:00 I don't know the exact date. 17:39:18 Usiually it is Friday afternoon / evening and Saterday 17:39:48 And we would have about half an hour, 15 min for presentation and than discussion 17:40:50 I'm not a huge fan of video meetings but I'll be there if needed 17:41:01 We could present: 1. Encourage everyone to try setting up a box 2. Point out positives of out of the box experience (ie. ssh ready, cockpit running...) 3. Great learning environment for SELinux, Podman, VM... 4. Plans to expand use on SBC's. 17:41:49 mowest it a lot :-) yeah we should select one or two 17:42:15 I could add: Server on rented VPS 17:42:26 that our working plan for F40 17:43:02 And you no 2 - I like it a lot after srtruggeling several days with Debian. 17:43:28 Yes, it is a good time to highlight the future to encourage participation in the Server WG 17:43:31 And SBC is a topic, a lot of people are interested in 17:44:12 Perhaps we could encourage proper use of the #server tag on Fedora Discussion so we can surface new ideas and pain points easier. 17:44:27 +1 on that one 17:45:08 OK, I think we'll put in 3 topics: out of the box, SBC and rented VPS. And I'll discuss it with the release-party-team? 17:45:21 not all 3, but to select one 17:45:27 one of them 17:46:13 I think whatever one is picked you could do a plug for F40 and encourage #server tag use on Fedora Discussion 17:46:40 mowest good idea. 17:46:51 I have 0 experience with rented VPS so I wouldn't be a lot of help for that one, but it is a good topic. 17:47:11 #agreed pboy will discuss with the release party team who Server will contribute. 17:47:20 is that OK? od undo 17:47:28 +1 17:47:48 +1 :-) 17:48:16 OK, next topic, I trhink 17:48:30 #topic 5. Fedora Server WG meeting time after end of Summer Time 17:48:59 Next weekend is end of summer time in Europe and most of the world. 17:49:09 I'm not sure about the US 17:49:25 Is it earlier, or late? 17:49:28 If we could keep our meeting time at this same time after the time change, I would appreciate it. It works out as 1:00pm Eastern Standard Time in the US which is good for me. 17:50:00 US changes on 11/5/23 17:50:16 no opinion 17:50:25 mowest we now meet 17:00 UTC and would trhen meet 18:00 UTC, the the local time is unchanged. 17:51:19 And we would start Nov. 1 (it's a Wednesday), when the US is still on summer time? 17:51:38 Yes, we change the following Sunday 17:51:39 or start on Nov. 15, when anyone has changed? 17:52:25 Mowest, it's you. your time would change next meeting for one time 17:52:36 My vote is start 11/15, but I will respect the wishes of my Europian friends. 17:52:44 For me, both options are OK 17:53:01 eseyman, what about you? 17:53:23 same 17:54:22 OK then, Next meeting still 17:00 UTC, so we European will have it one our earlier, and then swith to 18:00 UTC. 17:55:12 Well, I think we skip Ansible / Wildfly. I think John is still busy. 17:55:36 #topic 7. F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment 17:55:53 It's a big topic for 5 mins left. 17:56:46 The next step is collecting information. 17:56:59 I have nothing to add on this topic. 17:57:06 Propably, the release party would be a goot occasion. 17:57:52 OK, I think we should wait for the release party discussion. And postpone 17:58:02 So nest topic is 17:58:13 #topic 8. Open Floor 17:58:31 Fedora Podcast? 17:58:56 FTR, lemonldap-ng has been reviewed and included in Fedora 17:59:02 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/lemonldap-ng 17:59:21 Upstream is pretty happy about it: https://twitter.com/lemonldapng/status/1714560431509885416 18:00:06 Oh, didn't know that piece ot software. Look great! 18:00:27 Do you know who has packagei it? 18:01:01 I'm signing off, thanks for a great meeting. 18:01:07 yes, Xavier Bachelot, a packager and contributor to upstream 18:01:32 Oh thanks. I'll have a look at it. 18:01:39 And give it a try 18:01:49 Well time is up. 18:02:00 Let's meet in 14 days again. 18:02:13 I have to go as well. See you in 14, guys 18:02:18 Bye Bye and thanks for participating 18:02:39 #endmeeting