<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:00:29
!startmeeting fedora-server
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:30
Meeting started at 2024-03-20 17:00:29 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:30
The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:00:46
!topic Welcome / roll call
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:01:00
Welcome to our Server WG meeting today!
„Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:01:11
I’ll post the agenda in about 2 minutes.
Sorry for the late Agenda. Testing F40 Beta is a tricky business these days. Before you are properly finished with a test, there is already a newer version and you start all over again.
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:03:54
.hi
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:04:14
rofl never works for me
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:04:21
Hi cooltshirtguy
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:04:39
Maybe !hi ?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:04:43
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:43
Peter Boy (pboy)
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:05:15
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:05:18
Jason Beard (cooltshirtguy) - he / him / his
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:05:24
yea!
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:05:34
👍️
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:05:42
Hello, folks
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:05:57
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:05:58
Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:06:12
Hi eseyman!
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:06:41
hello everyone
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:06:57
Now there are three of us. The quorum would be met.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:07:21
Lets wait a bit longer. time changeover is alway hard
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:09:00
Good buying
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:09:35
A new single board computer?
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:09:43
That's Banana Pi M64 which I brought to test Fedora on
<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>
17:09:50
John Himpel joinging late.
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:10:00
That's a Banana Pi M64 which I brought to test Fedora on
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:10:11
Welcome John
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:11:29
I think we should start and see how far we get.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:11:41
!topic Agenda
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:12:26
Zodbot, whag about you?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:12:58
!topic Agenda
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:06
nice
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:18
!info Follow-up actions & announcements
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:27
!info LVM2 configuration
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:36
!info Review installation media
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:48
!info F40 Chang Set items requiring our attention
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:13:57
info Testing F40
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:14:08
!info Our "story" for F40
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:14:21
!undo
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:15:10
Hm. zodbot is ungracious
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:15:27
!info Testing F40
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:15:37
!info Open Floor
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:16:00
OK, I hope zodbot got it right.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:16:09
Anything to add?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:16:40
None. Let's start
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:16:53
!topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:17:07
At the moment, there is nothing new here.
We'll discuss and decide abvout our meeting time next meeting.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:17:18
I updated our WG landing page, specifically the contact options. And I added the latest minutes. Everyone may check and add to the content ot correct it.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:17:31
!link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:17:44
!link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2024/
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:17:54
Does anyone have anything for this topic?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:18:44
OK, let's move on.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:19:03
!topic 2. LVM2 configuration
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:19:20
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:19:25
Those pages look good to me
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:19:32
Thanks
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:19:53
About the topic, Mainly an informational topic today.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:20:07
I checked the the VM image of Beta 1.9, Fedora-Server-KVM-40_Beta-1.9.x86_64.qcow2, (and wrote a new doku, a LVM Management CheatCheet as a side work). The /etc/lvm/devices directory is empty nowm no devices file.
I have not yet been able to check whether an xdevice file is created on the first boot. And I have also not yet been able to check the ARM file (Fedora-Server-40_Beta-1.9.aarch64.raw.xz).
Did anyone else tried to create a VM and checked the LVM devices directory? OR the ARM image?
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:20:56
I can check the ARM Image later today
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:21:54
Yeah, Could you check the image for an empty /etc/lvm/devices, too? I can publish my new guide how to mount the image for inspection.
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:22:51
ok
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:23:29
If I remember correctly, you have a Raspberry? Would be interesting to check without arm-image-installer, just dd. Question is, if first boot creates a /etc/lvm/devices/systemdevices file.
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:23:58
correct pi4. sure
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:24:22
OK, I continue to check the VM image.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:25:10
Probably, we can publish our results on the mailing list? Maybe the easiest way.
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:25:25
that's fine
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:26:31
OK, let's move on. I think we should postpone the topic review installation media ? Without Tomas it's difficult. Or does someone has a question here?
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:27:06
I won't get around to installing on ARM before next week
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:27:52
@eseyman thats fine! We have some time and should test different models.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:28:34
OK, I see no objection against postponing installation media
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:28:53
!topic 4. F40 Chang Set items requiring our attention
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:29:17
I think we should coordinate, who monitors what change?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:29:58
@eseyman: Do you have your link at hand?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:31:23
got it
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:31:27
!link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CNH57V7LT4GMQN676XFDJWQ6U46BGDMK/
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:33:41
@jwhimpel Do you watch the Java case anyway?
<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>
17:34:39
I've done some testing. The latest java release seems to work okay. However, I don't use much of the new features.
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:35:11
I can do MariaDB, Pg, 389DS, PHP, ...
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:35:42
@jwhimpel I think the test case is a successful installation and start up - distribution wise. Not so much the new features.
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:37:16
Yes, we're focusing on installation and integration more than anything else
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:37:23
I can monitor the IPv4 case, Ruby and systemd
<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>
17:37:27
There's a change to identify IPV4 address collisions. I'm not sure how it reacts if there's no console on which to report an error. I will try to follow-up on this. I suspect most servers use either fixed IP's or use DHCP, in which case it's a non-issue.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:38:07
@jwhimpel YES, please take the IPv4 caseQ!
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:38:55
@eseyman yes, and it should work in the default configuration.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:40:13
@eseyman there are some items left. Any idea?
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:40:39
I didn't expect us to test everything on that list...
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:40:47
OK
<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>
17:40:55
I can do podman, not sure what this is, Restructure Kubernetes Packages, if got a pointer I can look into it
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:41:38
@cooltshirtguy wonderful! (And we need documntation about podman, too 😀
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:41:57
cooltshirtguy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RestructureKubernetesPackages
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:42:28
Can we move on?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:43:09
Obviously we can
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:43:24
!topic 5. Testing F40
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:43:36
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/125
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:43:44
!link https://hackmd.io/NtO4O9vRT3a71UMZMkceoA?both
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:44:11
We should coordinate, who will test what item.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:44:29
I'm test local interactive installation and remote interactiv installation.
<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>
17:44:45
I have to leave early. Will browse logs when I return. Sorry to not be able to stay.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:45:13
jwhimpel: Thanks! And God bye
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:45:19
oh good
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:47:04
I found some quirks in the installation process. The keyboard doesn't react in the first boot menue und in some conditions the language selection page shows just a page with an empty list and no option to proceed further.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:47:23
But I have to test in more details.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:48:11
Anything to add here?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:48:41
OK, let's move on.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:48:59
!topic 6. Our "story" for F40
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:49:11
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/101
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:49:22
We have to decide what to chose for F40.
And we have to keep in mind, that we are supposed to write a release note about it.
And probably initiate some other discussion, e.g. a blog post or a pod cast in cooperation with Fedora marketing.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:49:31
I had thought we would stick with ARM SBCs. That's where we have the most groundwork. But at the moment I'm not even sure if we'll have a working installation script.
But I don't see any alternative at the moment. Any ideas?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:51:35
Oh, mistake ARM installation script works fine (copy&paste not so :-) )
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:52:27
Hm, no ideas here ?
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:53:19
I'm sorry, I can't bring myself to care about a "story" for F40, not with the amount of stuff I have to do
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:54:05
Yeah, it a lot at the moment.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:54:27
And seems a good reason to stick with our ARM project.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:54:38
I have submitted a CfP on our project for DevConf. If that is accepted, we would definitely have something.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:55:03
OK, let's see.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:55:37
!topic 3. Review installation media
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:56:47
I think, jednorozec still not online?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:57:12
I'll post some ideas on our mailing list.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:57:22
Let's move on.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:57:43
!topic 7. Open floor
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:58:02
The floor is open! Anything here?
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
17:59:09
No movement on the Apache configuration layout, Peter Boy ?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
17:59:24
Unfortunately, not.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:00:08
II will resume this as soon as F40 is finished.
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
18:00:52
I need to install a Debian VM and compare the two layouts...
<@eseyman:fedora.im>
18:01:03
Anyway, that's all for me
<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:01:32
OK, so I think we are done today.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:01:36
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<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:01:44
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<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:01:52
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<@pboy:fedora.im>
18:02:03
!endmeeting