2024-07-03 17:01:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> 
!startmeeting fedora-server
2024-07-03 17:01:35 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-03 17:01:34 UTC
2024-07-03 17:01:36 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'
2024-07-03 17:01:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2024-07-03 17:02:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, let's wait a moment for everybody to shop up. I’ll post the agenda in about 2-3 minutes. 
2024-07-03 17:02:38 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 17:02:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Himpel (jwhimpel)
2024-07-03 17:02:55 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 17:03:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jason Beard (cooltshirtguy) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 17:03:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome John, welcome Jason
2024-07-03 17:04:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we should wait 2 mins more   :-)
2024-07-03 17:04:28 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hi, folks !
2024-07-03 17:04:40 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 17:04:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 17:05:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-03 17:05:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 17:05:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, we meet our quorum. And I hope, moweist is not lost on IRC
2024-07-03 17:05:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi Neal!
2024-07-03 17:05:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> Have you been at Suse Open in Nuernberg? 
2024-07-03 17:06:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> Unfortunately I couldn't join this year
2024-07-03 17:07:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, let's start
2024-07-03 17:07:19 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2024-07-03 17:07:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2024-07-03 17:07:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Change to a weekly meeting schedule
2024-07-03 17:07:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Elevating Fedora Server VM distribution image
2024-07-03 17:08:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2024-07-03 17:08:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Open Floor
2024-07-03 17:08:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add? 
2024-07-03 17:08:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK. Let's start
2024-07-03 17:09:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2024-07-03 17:09:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have finally managed to put everything together.
2024-07-03 17:09:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> !action pboy will file an issue with releng regarding installation media - pending
2024-07-03 17:09:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> DONE !action jwhimpel will check the details of the procedure (regarding Elevating Server VM distribution) and report back next meeting - to deal with today.
2024-07-03 17:09:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> !action pboy will close bug #2247872 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872)
2024-07-03 17:09:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> Still open because of an ongoing discussion about improving Server first boot process
2024-07-03 17:09:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> action pboy will write a draft issue for the goal "file server" as a base for further finetuning and detailed specification - ongoing
2024-07-03 17:10:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> DONE !action pboy will create an additional directory fedora-ansible in fedora-server repo 
2024-07-03 17:10:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> See:
2024-07-03 17:10:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2024/ 
2024-07-03 17:10:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add here? 
2024-07-03 17:10:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> or to comment or to ask?
2024-07-03 17:11:01 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> no
2024-07-03 17:11:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, let's move on.
2024-07-03 17:11:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> 
2024-07-03 17:11:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2.  Change to a weekly meeting schedule
2024-07-03 17:11:29 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I forgot to follow-up.  I will attempt to do so before next meeting.
2024-07-03 17:12:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: Thanks! That will do easily
2024-07-03 17:12:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> No tracking entry yet
2024-07-03 17:12:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> We need a decision here
2024-07-03 17:12:40 <@mowest:fedora.im> I'm back on. :-)
2024-07-03 17:12:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> mowest: 1++
2024-07-03 17:12:57 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm all for it but I won't be able to attend each and every meeting
2024-07-03 17:13:05 <@eseyman:fedora.im> still, 1++ for me
2024-07-03 17:13:20 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-03 17:13:48 <@mowest:fedora.im> I'm for every week, but I will also miss a number of the meetings, but might be easier to remember to put it into my calendar if it is every week even if I have to miss some.
2024-07-03 17:14:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: I think your proposal is fine to adjust the agenda respecting who dan't join a meeting 
2024-07-03 17:14:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think you can't join the 2nd meeting a month
2024-07-03 17:14:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> We can take that into account.
2024-07-03 17:15:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, we vote +4 / 0 / -0
2024-07-03 17:15:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Therefore:
2024-07-03 17:16:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed Server WG switches to a weekly meeting  
2024-07-03 17:16:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2.  Change to a weekly meeting schedule 
2024-07-03 17:17:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> !undo
2024-07-03 17:17:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> doesnt work
2024-07-03 17:17:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3.  Elevating Fedora Server VM distribution image 
2024-07-03 17:17:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/140 
2024-07-03 17:18:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> Items to discuss:
2024-07-03 17:18:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> - What we need to provide for a Change Proposal
2024-07-03 17:18:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> - Current status
2024-07-03 17:18:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> cooltshirtguy: I think, you are the expert here?
2024-07-03 17:19:12 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> lol. definitely not an expert. I don't even know how that works. :)
2024-07-03 17:21:07 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> IIRC, There was a recent conversation including Adam W.  He was pretty adamant that he only wanted "Fedora Workstation" to be a blocking image.  My memory isn't the best, so I could be wrong.
2024-07-03 17:22:23 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I  remember something about that,.. he wanted or its currently the only blocker? 
2024-07-03 17:22:40 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I  remember something about that.. he wanted it to be or its currently the only blocker? 
2024-07-03 17:23:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> I remember Adam told me we would have to elevate the VM.
2024-07-03 17:23:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> cooltshirtguy: You've produced a first draft, haven't you?  
2024-07-03 17:24:07 <@mowest:fedora.im> I'm not sure I would like the VM image to be a blocking image. In a similar way I wouldn't want one of the "spins" to be a blocking image.
2024-07-03 17:24:37 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> no I haven't. i remember we discussed it but I don't remember anyone taking ownership. I remember discussing samaba
2024-07-03 17:25:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> mowest: Our goal is to promote Fedora Server in virtualized environments as a modern alternative to classic hardware. 
2024-07-03 17:25:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> So we need it as a blocking deliverable
2024-07-03 17:25:55 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I can look it but will need some help with it. I have no idea how the process works
2024-07-03 17:27:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I think I'm the one with the most experience in this process. So I'll make a proposal next meeting.
2024-07-03 17:27:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> (Allthough its only one)
2024-07-03 17:28:36 <@mowest:fedora.im> Peter Boy: Is Fedora CoreOS or Fedora Cloud considered a blocking image? If so aren't we already promoting Fedora in a VM environment, because I'm guessing those are used frequently in a VM cloud environment.
2024-07-03 17:29:02 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I dont mind learning new things, but honestly I've never really had any overview how things work around here. 
2024-07-03 17:29:06 <@davdunc:fedora.im> they are both used in VM cloud environment 
2024-07-03 17:29:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> @mowest I don't know
2024-07-03 17:29:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I do. 
2024-07-03 17:29:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> They are both common. 
2024-07-03 17:29:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> davdunc: Thanks!
2024-07-03 17:29:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> absolutely! 
2024-07-03 17:30:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> So I think we should tread server the same way. Many people asked me about Server in a VPS (i.e. not in a cloud system) 
2024-07-03 17:32:09 <@pboy:fedora.im> davdunc: Do you work at Amazon or do I remember wrong? 
2024-07-03 17:32:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I do work at Amazon. :) 
2024-07-03 17:33:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> Good, I would like to ask you about available options vor VPS later 
2024-07-03 17:33:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Take a look at Lightsail. 
2024-07-03 17:34:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that's my target for our efforts. 
2024-07-03 17:34:32 <@davdunc:fedora.im> KIWI builds to replace Bitnami. 
2024-07-03 17:34:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, several users asked me about lightsail. And I mentioned it last Flock in Cork.
2024-07-03 17:35:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> It's very close. 
2024-07-03 17:35:22 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'm working with the team. 
2024-07-03 17:35:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> davdunc: Thanks!
2024-07-03 17:35:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK. What will we do? 
2024-07-03 17:36:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposas: !agreed pboy will make a proposal how to proceed with Fedora Server VM 
2024-07-03 17:36:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposas  ->  proposal
2024-07-03 17:37:01 <@davdunc:fedora.im> for right now, just help us build your kiwi definition. 
2024-07-03 17:37:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we have a kiwi builder in koji. 
2024-07-03 17:38:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, we discussed that some weeks ago and basically decided to switch to kiwi for images, except that releng prefers something else.
2024-07-03 17:38:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions
2024-07-03 17:38:29 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions
2024-07-03 17:39:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> Thanks, will study those
2024-07-03 17:39:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> cool. Look forward to unblocking anything you need for the composition. 
2024-07-03 17:40:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, I'll come back to you. I hope you will not regret to help us  :-)
2024-07-03 17:40:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> (Must a joke)
2024-07-03 17:40:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> Just a joke
2024-07-03 17:41:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> :) No regerts!
2024-07-03 17:41:54 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I believe Release Engineering said KIWI was fine for VM images, but they were unsure about using KIWI for .iso images.  Neil Gupta responded in a ticket, that he thought KIWI could possibly generate by using a SUSE product (after packaging such in Fedora) to generate install DVD images.
2024-07-03 17:42:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I think we should wait here and look, what's evolving. At least, I have no preferences.
2024-07-03 17:43:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> But back to the proposal:
2024-07-03 17:43:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> John Himpel: Neal Gompta
2024-07-03 17:43:42 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I warned everyone earlier, my memory was sometime faulty :-)
2024-07-03 17:43:44 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Gompa! Oh my goodness! 
2024-07-03 17:43:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I followed you right into the hole! 
2024-07-03 17:44:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Neal Gompa -- his moniker is Conan_Kudo. 
2024-07-03 17:44:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, back to my proposal: !agreed pboy will make a proposal how to proceed with Fedora Server VM
2024-07-03 17:44:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> We need to switch to the next topic!
2024-07-03 17:44:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are late
2024-07-03 17:46:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see no objections to the proposal ?
2024-07-03 17:46:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> 3
2024-07-03 17:46:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> 2
2024-07-03 17:46:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> no, sounds good
2024-07-03 17:46:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK
2024-07-03 17:46:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed pboy will make a proposal how to proceed with Fedora Server VM 
2024-07-03 17:46:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4.  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2024-07-03 17:47:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/138
2024-07-03 17:47:19 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org//meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-06-05/fedora-server.2024-06-05-17.00.log.txt  from 17:25 down 
2024-07-03 17:47:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> Current agreements so far
2024-07-03 17:47:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> - we want to synchronize our manual installation guide, the Ansible doc/guide, and the Ansible process results (i.e. Ansible should create the same as the manual doc describes).
2024-07-03 17:47:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> -- Do we want to have a separate Administration guide / page?
2024-07-03 17:47:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> - We want to collect an alpha version in the new ansible directory of our fedora-server repository
2024-07-03 17:47:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> - We want to split the current NFS draft in 2 parts: Installation and (Basic) Configuration.
2024-07-03 17:47:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> - Should we detail our requirements for an NFS server playbook? 
2024-07-03 17:47:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> 
2024-07-03 17:47:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> We probaby have to:
2024-07-03 17:47:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> - Discjuss and process the change of the curent NFS doc (split into installation and configuration)
2024-07-03 17:48:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> And I provided a Server Docs template
2024-07-03 17:49:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/usr-docs-maintenance/local-authoring/
2024-07-03 17:49:26 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I have two ansible roles working (server & client) on F40 between different servers.  I need to add one more feature (map different useri numbers between servers).  Then I need to convert it to a collection.  ETA two weeks.
2024-07-03 17:50:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so we should wait for this. 
2024-07-03 17:50:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> We could use the time to enhance our docs draft? 
2024-07-03 17:51:14 <@eseyman:fedora.im> yes, good idea
2024-07-03 17:51:40 <@mowest:fedora.im> I like the idea of have a separate docs "Installation" and "Configuration" with a subsection under "Configuration" with "With Ansible"
2024-07-03 17:52:44 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> What is the url for the Fedora Server repo, so that I can post Work In Progress and "Final" version for others to see and review?
2024-07-03 17:52:48 <@mowest:fedora.im> Then we could have NFS with Ansible, Samba with Ansible, Webserver with Ansible, Podman Containers with Ansible...
2024-07-03 17:53:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: stg is  https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/filesharing-nfs-installation/
2024-07-03 17:53:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> There is no public version in main yet.
2024-07-03 17:54:08 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> That's for docs.  Where should I put ansible code.
2024-07-03 17:54:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> mowest: Yes, that the Goal.
2024-07-03 17:55:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/tree/main 
2024-07-03 17:55:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Therin fedora-ansible with some subdirs
2024-07-03 17:57:18 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Question:  My role currently assumes userid info is kept in /etc/passwd.  Should I have options for that info stored in LDAP and/or FreeIPA?
2024-07-03 17:58:27 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I suspect this would be useful
2024-07-03 17:59:33 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I am not familiar with PAM, so I suspect I would need some assistance with that part.
2024-07-03 17:59:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'm not seeing the consequences at the moment. So I can'tg say anything here
2024-07-03 18:00:17 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Note that we can always add that part later. Ours docs are not set in stone.
2024-07-03 18:00:46 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I'll finish what I have and we can discuss "add-ons" later.
2024-07-03 18:01:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so back to docs for a short time 
2024-07-03 18:01:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have written the current NFS docs draft. Someone else should do the revision, I think. 
2024-07-03 18:01:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Who will start to split the current draft in to installation and configuration?
2024-07-03 18:02:38 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I'm not an author, but I can at least add bullet points and some text.  It may be a couple of weeks before I can make much progress there.
2024-07-03 18:03:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: That would be perfectly OK. 
2024-07-03 18:03:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> Someone else to support the review / reworking? 
2024-07-03 18:04:46 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'll be glad to help
2024-07-03 18:05:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: ++1
2024-07-03 18:05:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> pboy gave a cookie to eseyman. They now have 15 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-07-03 18:06:47 <@mowest:fedora.im> I will take a look at the docs too, I'm working on getting a new machine up and running for doc editing for when I go to flock. I have Fedora installed, and one of the next steps will be to set up the local writing environment. I can take a look at server docs then.
2024-07-03 18:07:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> mowest: Very good. Maybe we can use your experience to improve the docs about how to contribute to Fedora Server Docs.
2024-07-03 18:08:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> mowest: ++1
2024-07-03 18:08:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well I think we are done for now. I switch to Open Floor 
2024-07-03 18:08:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 5. Open Floor 
2024-07-03 18:08:55 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Registration for Flock is now open.
2024-07-03 18:09:33 <@eseyman:fedora.im> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/flock-2024-tickets-906515701867
2024-07-03 18:09:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, don't miss the opportunity! 
2024-07-03 18:10:28 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm arriving on the 6th and staying until the 11th
2024-07-03 18:11:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> My tickets are not fixed, yet. But I think, it's the same for me.
2024-07-03 18:12:00 <@mowest:fedora.im> I'm arriving on the 6th and heading back home after Saturday's sessions, might need to scoot out in the afternoon sometime to head back home.
2024-07-03 18:12:20 <@mowest:fedora.im> So that would be 6-10
2024-07-03 18:12:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well I hope we have a lot of opportunities to meet and to "socialize"  :)
2024-07-03 18:13:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are overdue and should end the meeting now.
2024-07-03 18:13:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything left last minute?
2024-07-03 18:13:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> yes, I need to go hunt for food...
2024-07-03 18:13:43 <@mowest:fedora.im> I typed and ate at the same time :-)
2024-07-03 18:13:48 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> is there a schedule of presentation yet for flock?
2024-07-03 18:13:49 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I probably won't be at next week's meeting
2024-07-03 18:14:22 <@eseyman:fedora.im> talks have been approved/denied but I don't know about a schedule
2024-07-03 18:14:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, see you next week (besides Emmanuel) 
2024-07-03 18:14:59 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> bye
2024-07-03 18:15:11 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm off. I will post the minutes to the list later tonight
2024-07-03 18:15:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> Thanks!
2024-07-03 18:15:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting