2025-09-03 17:00:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server 
2025-09-03 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-03 17:00:07 UTC
2025-09-03 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server '
2025-09-03 17:00:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment  for everybody to show up.
2025-09-03 17:00:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.
2025-09-03 17:00:58 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hello
2025-09-03 17:01:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 17:01:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi Emmanuel!
2025-09-03 17:03:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hi, Peter
2025-09-03 17:03:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> Our meeting today is a little sparse.
2025-09-03 17:04:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> But I think, we should start anyway. And count nirik in, who is lurking as usual 
2025-09-03 17:05:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, let's start and hope someone else will join later.
2025-09-03 17:05:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-09-03 17:06:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Walk through longterm open issues and PRs
2025-09-03 17:06:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-09-03 17:06:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Server Web service guideOK
2025-09-03 17:06:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Open Floor
2025-09-03 17:06:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  F43 release testing
2025-09-03 17:06:06 <@korora:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-03 17:06:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jocelyn Gould (korora) - she / her / hers
2025-09-03 17:06:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome Jocelyn (she/her) ! 
2025-09-03 17:06:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Now we have our quorum complete!
2025-09-03 17:07:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any comment to the agenda?
2025-09-03 17:07:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: waving back  :-)
2025-09-03 17:08:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see no comment to the Agenda, so lets start.
2025-09-03 17:08:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-09-03 17:08:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2025/
2025-09-03 17:08:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> Regarding the action, nothing new. See
2025-09-03 17:08:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> And no announcements from me, today.
2025-09-03 17:09:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything else here?
2025-09-03 17:09:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, we proceed then
2025-09-03 17:09:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2. Server Web service guide 
2025-09-03 17:10:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/166
2025-09-03 17:10:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> ee https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/
2025-09-03 17:10:08 <@pboy:fedora.im>  
2025-09-03 17:11:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, I see, docs staging is still down and doesn't rebuilt
2025-09-03 17:11:14 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Has there been a PR made to the httpd package?
2025-09-03 17:11:35 <@synzevhir:matrix.org> Hi
2025-09-03 17:12:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome Eyüp Akbulut 
2025-09-03 17:12:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There's a ticket on that... hopefully we can fix it soon
2025-09-03 17:12:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: Not yet. I wanted us to agree first.
2025-09-03 17:13:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: Yes, the ticket is from me  :-) Usually darknao takes care, but he seems to be offline/holiday/something like that
2025-09-03 17:14:49 <@pboy:fedora.im>  Well, we have workaround:  https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/webservice.html
2025-09-03 17:15:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> That is the latest version. For download it still links to my development server. I will move everything to the download area of our docs.
2025-09-03 17:16:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> Eyüp Akbulut: I dedn't forget you, let's talk a bit after this topic.
2025-09-03 17:17:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's building now, should publish in a bit when it's done building.
2025-09-03 17:17:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ha, no, hit an error. Anyhow, sorry for sidetracking
2025-09-03 17:17:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: 👍️
2025-09-03 17:18:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, I hope not because an error on one of the documents  
2025-09-03 17:19:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: Jocelyn (she/her) Could you look at the slightly revised text?
2025-09-03 17:21:47 <@korora:fedora.im> I just glanced at it and it looks accurate to me. (I'm bouncing between tasks at work at the moment)
2025-09-03 17:23:27 <@eseyman:fedora.im> it's accurate as far as I can see but still has the inconvenience that we're asking the user to edit the configuration in a very heavy-handed method 
2025-09-03 17:24:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> What do you mean with heavy-handed edit? 
2025-09-03 17:24:53 <@eseyman:fedora.im> We're asking people to download an httpd.conf site from a third-party website
2025-09-03 17:25:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> which doesn't even differ that much from the rpm-supplied httpd.conf
2025-09-03 17:25:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> No, bno third party website but our docs download section!
2025-09-03 17:25:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> I still have to move the files.
2025-09-03 17:26:16 <@eseyman:fedora.im> it isn't supplied by the rpm or root. Therefore, it is third-party
2025-09-03 17:26:51 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I would rather we upstream the differences in the two httpd.conf files via a PR on the httpd package
2025-09-03 17:27:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, when we agree about the content, i will make a PR, and "on behalf of Server WG".
2025-09-03 17:28:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> And hope, someone will react on this. Otherwise, I'm at a loss and see no alternative to downloading.
2025-09-03 17:28:58 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I think we're there, honestly
2025-09-03 17:30:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'm obviously slow on the uptake today. What does that mean? 
2025-09-03 17:30:39 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I believe everyone who has seen the changes agrees with them
2025-09-03 17:31:10 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Similarly, I think everyone finds the way we distribute the change heavy-handed 
2025-09-03 17:31:25 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I need to take a closer look at the httpd conf
2025-09-03 17:31:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> So a PR seems the simplest way forward
2025-09-03 17:31:45 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> It seems drastic to toss it out with a file from an external link. It should make most readers nervous.
2025-09-03 17:32:08 <@korora:fedora.im> At least if they aren’t actually looking at the file first.
2025-09-03 17:32:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> Paul Maconi (Aggraxis): There are 2 deletions: the server name and the port. Both are moved to conf.d/customize.conf for easier modification without having to touch the main conf file.
2025-09-03 17:33:32 <@korora:fedora.im> I think Paul’s point is that the end user isn’t necessarily going to catch that
2025-09-03 17:33:44 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Right, I'd be more inclined to instruct the reader to comment out the lines in the original document, then place them in the customize.conf
2025-09-03 17:34:07 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> That would be in line with most other product literature out there.
2025-09-03 17:34:31 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm sure Peter finds that error-prone, hence the instructions to download the modified file
2025-09-03 17:35:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I hesitate to ask useres to edit the main conf file with all it's technical details.
2025-09-03 17:35:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> We can decribe the user either to edit of to download the file for convenience.
2025-09-03 17:36:56 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I have no hard objections. It was the only real observation I made during my brief review.
2025-09-03 17:37:18 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I would really like these changes to be in the rpm-supplied httpd.conf, hence the PR
2025-09-03 17:38:18 <@korora:fedora.im> I feel like this would be the best way to go about this change
2025-09-03 17:39:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes,we argee about the PR. 2 weeks a go we decided: We create a PR and we publish in at the same time. My proposal was to create a PR, wait 2 weeks for reaction, and when there is none, we publish anyway.
2025-09-03 17:39:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes,we argee about the PR. 2 weeks a go we decided: We create a PR and we publish intat the same time. My proposal was to create a PR, wait 2 weeks for reaction, and when there is none, we publish anyway.
2025-09-03 17:39:57 <@eseyman:fedora.im> 2 weeks sounds a short time, all things considered, but I'm okay with that plan
2025-09-03 17:41:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> And in parallel we want to write a Fedora Magazine article to discuss the issues and to instigate a discussion.
2025-09-03 17:41:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have a draft, and I would be glad if we can auther that all together.
2025-09-03 17:42:19 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Ah, I would have thought the discussion would be in the PR
2025-09-03 17:43:07 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Regardless, I think the PR should be the first step of this plan
2025-09-03 17:43:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> We must, of course, justify our PR, and perhaps this will also lead to a discussion.
2025-09-03 17:44:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposed !agreed we create a PR for httpd to include the config files as of stg article 2025-09-03 
2025-09-03 17:45:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any objections? 
2025-09-03 17:45:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see none.
2025-09-03 17:46:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed we create a PR for httpd to include the config files as of stg article 2025-09-03  
2025-09-03 17:46:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> What about a Fed Mag article? Any coauthorship ? 
2025-09-03 17:47:40 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'll gladly contribute to the article
2025-09-03 17:48:21 <@pboy:fedora.im>  Emmanuel Seyman:  👍️  We were a good team at Flock!
2025-09-03 17:49:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anyone else? We have no limit, or perhaps no more than 10 authors.  :-)
2025-09-03 17:49:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> Everyone is invited to join later,too. I think.
2025-09-03 17:50:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3. Walk through longterm open issues and PRs
2025-09-03 17:50:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, it is really too late for this now. So I would like to postpone again.
2025-09-03 17:51:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see no objection.
2025-09-03 17:51:33 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Sorry, I'm distracted with work. :)
2025-09-03 17:51:36 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> No objections
2025-09-03 17:51:38 <@eseyman:fedora.im> yeah, it's too late for that
2025-09-03 17:51:49 <@eseyman:fedora.im> maybe we need a dedicated meeting
2025-09-03 17:52:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, that's a good idea? Let's try via our Matrix room
2025-09-03 17:52:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4. F43 release testing
2025-09-03 17:52:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> From me nothing new here so far
2025-09-03 17:53:08 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Same. I had to focus on packaging last weekend
2025-09-03 17:53:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK. then
2025-09-03 17:53:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 5. Open Floor
2025-09-03 17:55:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> Looking for Eyüp Akbulut, can we answer some question, give some information, do you have a question?
2025-09-03 17:56:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> syn: Are you still with us? 
2025-09-03 17:57:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, probably not.
2025-09-03 17:57:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> Another topic, the new forge.
2025-09-03 17:58:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> I would like to try to get us an org there as soon as possible. There is some discussion about a suitable naming convention. So we have to wait for that anyway .
2025-09-03 17:59:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> The most likely org name at present would probably be simply server.
2025-09-03 17:59:36 <@eseyman:fedora.im> +1 to moving to the new forge ASAP
2025-09-03 18:00:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, I'll create a ticket for that. Workstation has already done so.
2025-09-03 18:00:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Our time is up. Nevertheless, anything else to discuss here? 
2025-09-03 18:01:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see none. So 'll close now.
2025-09-03 18:01:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> 3
2025-09-03 18:01:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> 2
2025-09-03 18:01:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> 1
2025-09-03 18:01:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting