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13:39:41 <mchua> #chair quaid
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13:39:54 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule
13:40:04 <mchua> #info Goal: get a schedule figured out - apply the summer coding model against the calendar
13:41:02 <quaid> like that
13:41:03 <mchua> quaid: Ok - what's the most helpful thing I can do here? I was going to put myself into question-asking mode by default, and start going sequentially though the groups that need info, starting with profs/admins/people-at-schools-that-aren't-students.
13:42:23 <quaid> well, I think you can do something like that at any time, and then go ahead and put the answers right in the slot.
13:42:52 <quaid> I fgiured the two of us olluding on the calnedar wouldbe the best thing for togetherness
13:42:58 <quaid> and might give something to say to Unis
13:43:39 <mchua> quaid: Ok. Where do you want to start?
13:44:16 <mchua> In my mind, from the perspective of caring about students/schools, the most important thing to set is (1) when do students need to apply by? and (2) when will they hear yes/no by?
13:44:26 <mchua> (1) implies that we know exactly what we want from them by that date, too.
13:46:15 <quaid> yes
13:47:01 <quaid> first then we need is a list of deliverables, what-whome
13:47:13 <quaid> stack 'em up and start applying dates
13:47:18 <quaid> right?
13:48:28 <mchua> quaid: Righto. First deliverable I can think of, studentwise, is the actual application.
13:48:48 <mchua> quaid: I'm biased since I wrote much of it, but I rather like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Student_application_template - though I'm sure there's a Fedora one somewhere I'm not finding a link to at the moment...
13:48:49 * quaid starts piling in to gobby
13:48:54 <mchua> Oh! Yeah, good call.
13:48:58 * mchua fires up the gobby
13:49:25 <mchua> quaid: which doc?
13:49:33 <quaid> #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Student_application_template
13:49:39 <quaid> FSC2010_deliverables
13:51:30 <mchua> quaid: One moment, I've got to switch to mobile broadband, may have slight lag.
13:54:09 <quaid> k
13:58:48 <quaid> mchua: let's chat in channel and write in the document, k?
13:59:31 * mchua nods
13:59:41 <mchua> (actually, the final deliverable I think should be a report - no code functionality should be required, though in 99.999% of cases that's going to happen; this is the way we ran engineering capstone projects at Olin, because sometimes projects explode, but students who do good work should Still Get Credit. If they don't code, they have nothing to write the report about - but saying "you owe us a report" allays a *lot* of panic about
13:59:48 <mchua> (to dump my comments in here)
13:59:54 <quaid> so, GSoC has required (iirc):
13:59:57 <quaid> * code
14:00:10 <quaid> * whatever reporting the mentoring proj. things is appropriate
14:00:20 <quaid> * student review of org and program
14:00:48 <quaid> for example, they like to count the LOC produced over time by GSoC
14:01:00 <quaid> and to "have" a snapshot of all the end of summer code
14:01:33 <quaid> why not just caveat that the code doesn't have to be complete, it just needs to be where it can be accessed by summer's end.
14:01:35 <mchua> ok, "snapshot of code produced" is fair, I think
14:01:36 * mchua nods
14:01:39 <mchua> I agree with that
14:01:55 <quaid> yeah, gsoc specifies that working code isn't a requirement
14:01:59 <mchua> I just don't want students having to promise functionality that we may not be able to hold them to at summer's end for reasons beyond their control
14:02:03 * mchua nods
14:02:05 <mchua> that worksforme.
14:02:56 * mchua has been in the student shoes for this done both ways, and it's *really* scary if it's not *completely* clear that you control your evaluation (that random tech things other people do won't suddenly totally mess with your ability to pay rent for the summer)
14:03:05 <mchua> so I may be a little... over-touch about that.
14:03:08 <quaid> * Agree, in principle, to work with student and mentor by sending email to summer-coding-discuss (need to define what "agree in principle" means)
14:03:20 <quaid> what are you trying to define in there?
14:06:28 <mchua> When you added "by sending email..." it workedforme.
14:06:34 <mchua> That was exactly it.
14:07:42 <quaid> ok, just checking :)
14:07:59 <quaid> yeah, we want to include the method of delivery
14:11:58 * mchua is pretty much petered out on deliverable idaes at this point.
14:13:39 <quaid> yep
14:13:52 <quaid> we can look at the swimchart to see what we miss
14:14:00 <quaid> but right now, shall we date the beasts?
14:14:21 * quaid pastes in some calendars
14:15:10 <quaid> mchua: how can we give a yes/no by 4/15?
14:15:19 <mchua> we may want to have 2 cycles, early bird and latecomer.
14:15:24 <mchua> Oh, not this year.
14:15:32 <quaid> ok, let's do this yea
14:16:42 <mchua> I just worry that the good studnets already have internships - because they plan ahead - and they *do* have internships by now.
14:17:04 <quaid> no, they don't
14:17:16 <quaid> because all the good students don't go to schools that get them internships
14:17:38 <quaid> and, heck, bad students an apply too :)
14:18:13 <quaid> so if we can tell students who care by tomorrow the schedule, that helps
14:18:26 <quaid> I'll note that GSoC for the first several years was on this late of a schedule.
14:18:54 <quaid> and only moved to the current, earlier schedule in response to giving students time to meet and greet before they disappeared in to exams.
14:20:05 <mchua> I'll also note that - anecdotal, but - I do have friends who *didn't* apply to GSoC because it was such a late notification, or stressed out abuot GSoC apps because they were finding out so late.
14:20:17 <mchua> But this shouldn't block us on moving forward, and I defer. :)
14:21:43 <quaid> sure, and next year if we want to start before the calendar year ends ... as we tried this year ... then good.
14:22:24 <mchua> yup.
14:22:32 <quaid> shall we try to work it backwards from a "students learn yes/no"?
14:23:10 <quaid> when is the earliest in May that exams begin?
14:23:21 <mchua> May 1st is not a bad date to asume.
14:23:26 <mchua> er, assume.
14:23:35 <mchua> I would like to know, by March 1st, what I'm doing for the summer.
14:23:49 <mchua> That way I can relax during spring break instead of calling companies. ;)
14:23:59 <mchua> And I can make vacation plans with family, find a sublet, etc.
14:24:25 <quaid> ok, Friday 30 April
14:24:43 * quaid goes camping that day for the weekend so wouldn't mind knowing all was clear, too
14:26:06 <mchua> working back... how long do we need to tell projects how many slots they got?
14:26:42 <quaid> hmm
14:26:58 <quaid> it's not really by slot but by proposal, right?
14:27:27 <quaid> but, yes, we do need to inform the world how much we are funding, i.e.,how many apps we'll be accepting.
14:28:17 <mchua> Well, my understanding is that the way students find out they're in
14:28:25 <mchua> is that mentor orgs have a rank-ordered list of what they'd like to fund
14:28:34 <mchua> and then we say "you, o project, have N slots"
14:28:41 <quaid> hmmm
14:28:42 <mchua> and they then go tell the top N students "you have a job"
14:28:56 <quaid> yes, but that's the model where we aren't in control of the sponsor
14:29:09 <quaid> that is, where our decisions are done
14:29:20 <quaid> in competition with other entities.
14:29:51 <quaid> in our case, ($ pledged)/N == # of applications we can accept
14:30:09 <quaid> currently, I reckon N = 10 or 5
14:30:22 <mchua> ?
14:30:26 <quaid> also, some stuff is earmarked so can't be in the pool but runs the same process.
14:30:44 <quaid> ok, what I mean is this:
14:31:02 <quaid> the model where you rank students then tell top N presumes that we don't know until after we've ranked what our student slot count is
14:31:19 <quaid> in our case, we'll know the max count as we are ranking proposals
14:31:30 <mchua> Then I'd say "mentor orgs have a rank-ordered list, sponsors need to tell mentor orgs "I, specific sponsor, give you, specific mentor org, $X to fund these projects" by $foo_date.
14:31:53 <quaid> yep, that deliverable is in there for 22 April
14:32:12 * mchua looks at gobby. d'oh.
14:33:42 <mchua> quaid: how about work start/end dates?
14:33:50 <mchua> or are those flexible, we just specify "you must work N weeks?"
14:35:03 <quaid> flexible but should be baked in to proposal
14:35:56 <mchua> +1 - it opens us up to being able to say "and we can take apps year-round" and have this as a cyclical co-op like deal after the summer, if it goes well.
14:36:24 * mchua does rather like the RIT-ish quarterly co-op model, though that's for Way Later
14:36:35 <mchua> not all countries have the same summer.
14:37:02 <quaid> ok, I'm populating a student app page ...
14:37:45 * mchua needs to run up a hill and get better wifi real quick, will be back to look at that in ~5m)
14:49:03 * mchua back, looking
14:51:05 <quaid> ooh, talk pages for discussion about proposals
14:51:16 <quaid> that's a nice way to keep it with the proposal and not flood the list
14:51:16 <mchua> quaid: actually, uh.. where am I looking?
14:52:11 <quaid> sorry
14:52:14 <quaid> I am working on the application
14:52:16 * mchua nods
14:52:17 <quaid> 1 se
14:52:21 <mchua> what can I do to help?
14:52:26 * mchua hasn't been uber-useful so far
14:52:42 * mchua is, however, on a college campus full of students + profs (including jadudm) and can /query if input needed
14:53:12 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_application
14:53:19 * quaid edits again
14:53:41 <quaid> eh, enough with self-deprecation, we are nearly scheduled, that's an accomplishment :)
14:54:07 <quaid> we can't really sanity check the dates, if they are the best we an do
14:54:11 <quaid> s/we an/we can/
14:55:03 * mchua nods :)
14:55:32 <mchua> I'll probably be making a screencast or a screenshot walkthrough on how to apply, once the app's stable.
14:55:42 <mchua> Ah, so you did like the sugar labs template. :)
14:56:37 <quaid> http://groups.google.com/group/redhat-summer/web/gsoc-getting-started
14:56:46 <quaid> oh, yeah, def. good template
15:03:29 * quaid doing his blog post about ideas
15:22:29 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule is updated
15:22:44 <quaid> email to dev@ sent
15:23:04 * quaid goes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_plan#Sub-projects_-_how
16:00:58 <quaid> mchua: can we get jadud's idea on the idea page?
16:03:33 <mchua> quaid: where wha?
16:03:48 * mchua is running around classroom now, back in ~20-25m when class is over
16:17:23 <quaid> mchua: yesterday I heard that Matt has some money to fund an idea that we can run through Fedora Summer Coding
16:17:40 <quaid> I say, let's get the idea on the page and note that it has an "additional" funding source
16:48:36 <mchua> quaid: Yep. I don't know exactly what the idea is, though - do you have Matt's email? He'd be able to tell yo.
16:48:40 <mchua> (I agree, though.)
20:26:22 <quaid> did anyone see the analysis of rubysoc fro dash123 on the list?
20:33:59 * quaid checks ye ol' archives
20:34:04 <quaid> .fsa dash123
20:34:08 <quaid> .fas
20:34:09 <zodbot> quaid: (fas <query>) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match.
20:34:12 <quaid> .fas dash123
20:34:13 <zodbot> quaid: 'dash123' Not Found!
20:34:24 * quaid has fatfingersyndrome
20:35:25 <rrix> quaid: you can borrow a few of mine if you need to
20:36:46 <quaid> I think I have too many as it is
20:36:58 <quaid> .seen dash123
20:36:58 <zodbot> quaid: dash123 was last seen in #fedora-summer-coding 1 day, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <dash123> quaid: Here is the comparison with Rubysoc and JSOP: http://fpaste.org/FDFr/ Any points missing? If not then I'll post it to the Mailing List.
20:40:57 * quaid posts to the list
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17:05:42 * quaid gets to working on tasks now
17:06:08 <quaid> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-07/fedora-meeting.2010-04-07-14.02.html
17:35:23 <quaid> sweet
17:35:27 <quaid> got my changes in for FWN 220
17:35:35 <quaid> including the new 14 April deadline
17:40:06 * quaid includes a section at the top for students
17:40:09 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/FSC
20:36:06 * quaid working through today's actions
20:36:09 <quaid> bbiab
23:59:35 <mchua> quaid: I think I may have had action items from this morning, but I am... not sure which ones they were, or which remain.
23:59:38 <mchua> What can I do to help?
23:59:44 <mchua> I have momentum at the moment, in case it's useful.
00:02:29 <quaid> ok then!
00:02:34 <quaid> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-07/fedora-meeting.2010-04-07-14.02.html
00:02:43 <quaid> I am at ...
00:02:55 <quaid> ooh, perfect
00:02:59 <quaid> 3. w
00:03:00 <mchua> ?
00:03:03 <quaid> # ACTION: Create new "You are an academic" section for [[Summer Coding 2010]] based on new messaging (quaid, 15:15:43)
00:03:03 <mchua> Uh...
00:03:06 <mchua> Ah!
00:03:21 <quaid> yeah, I am just about there, if you can grab that
00:03:34 <quaid> and add a section to [[Summer Coding 2010 plan]] with a what and how section
00:03:46 <quaid> how is really important, it really helps to have a checklist when we have a message to pass out :)
00:04:54 <mchua> lemme see what I can slap up, gimme 10-15
00:05:01 <mchua> and I'll have a rough for comments
00:05:43 <mchua> quaid: wait, do you want this added in the sponsors section, or a completely separate?
00:06:08 <quaid> I think separate
00:06:11 <quaid> and cross-reference
00:06:36 <quaid> see, this is part of the summer coding model that Google hasn't been doing.
00:06:47 <mchua> Ok. /me throws stuff up!
00:08:33 * quaid turns on "like K'naan" radio
00:21:24 <mchua> quaid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_plan#Academics
00:21:39 <mchua> quaid: rough and stubby, but is it headed in the right direction? I didn't phrase things very cleanly, may need to reword
00:29:03 * quaid reading
00:34:56 <quaid> so
00:35:11 <quaid> is there any chance that academic _resources_ can be scared up?
00:35:44 <quaid> room, board, stipend, organizational help
00:35:56 <quaid> or is that "next year"?
00:37:24 <mchua> quaid: Definitely next year, but I think it's worth asking for this year and have next year as a fallback
00:37:39 <mchua> quaid: as in, "we have specific list of XYZ can you provide? oh, that's ok, we understand... next year?"
00:40:23 <quaid> ok, let's put that in, too, right?
00:41:04 * quaid adds opensource.com/education to the list
00:41:05 <quaid> of how
00:41:35 <mchua> oh! yes!
00:41:44 * mchua adds to "what"
00:42:35 * mchua done
00:44:34 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_step-by-step_for_students
00:44:40 <quaid> in step 5 ...
00:44:45 <quaid> ok, so
00:44:53 <quaid> students write an application and make a proposal
00:44:58 <quaid> are those one page or two?
00:45:06 <quaid> on the wiki
00:45:45 <quaid> I like the idea of using the talk page to discuss the proposals
00:58:54 <quaid> argh!
00:59:02 <quaid> I'm torn and can't decide!
01:12:37 <quaid> I'm thinking
01:12:46 <quaid> of changing the application sample page to a proposal page
01:12:57 <quaid> and that the category and all be a "proposal"
01:13:04 <quaid> and drop the "application" idea
01:13:10 <quaid> they are too similar and confusing
01:22:10 <mchua> quaid: will all students submit one and only one proposal?
01:22:40 <mchua> quaid: I could imagine a student app that's just a few questions - name, irc nick, email, school, etc - and then links to the proposals that the student's working on
01:22:51 <mchua> because i could also see proposals being written by, say, potential mentors.
01:23:43 <quaid> ok
01:23:46 <quaid> I see that too
01:23:52 <quaid> what about we do the transclusion trick
01:24:02 * quaid looks at it
01:25:32 <mchua> ...do we expect all student applicants to grok wiki transclusion to apply?
01:25:35 * mchua hopes not
01:31:44 <quaid> ok, that works
01:31:52 <quaid> oh, we have a step-by-step
01:31:56 <quaid> just like I did for mentors
01:32:03 <quaid> I don't expect _anyone_ to grok transclusion :)
02:03:05 <quaid> wow, ok
02:03:09 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_step-by-step_for_students
02:03:13 <quaid> more complex!
02:03:22 <quaid> like coding tests, barriers to entry :)
02:43:10 <jdk2588> what is the timeline for SoC ??
02:43:32 <mchua> quaid: ^^
02:43:47 <mchua> jdk2588: We were just discussing deadlines - they're on a page somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.
02:44:30 <mchua> jdk2588: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule - although I don't know how final this is (may be 100% final, may be basically final pending a +1 from... somebody or some list - quaid would know.)
02:45:13 <jdk2588> thanks mchua , i just check this
03:32:30 <quaid> that's the schedule we've got right now
03:32:38 <quaid> tweaks if it needs it but should be good to rely upon
03:32:49 <quaid> join the summer-coding-discuss list to hear about updates
04:16:10 <mchua> quaid, anything i can do to lend a hand?
08:50:25 <dash123> quaid: are there any flyers(I don't know what they call the e-mail equivalent of that), which I can distribute in my university's internal mailing list?
08:51:43 <dash123> s/distribute/post
12:32:48 <itamarjp> quaid
15:18:10 <quaid> itamarjp: hola
20:31:01 <quaid> http://iquaid.org/2010/04/08/students-you-are-invited-to-submit-proposals-for-fedora-summer-coding-2010/
20:31:11 <quaid> out to announce, s-c-discuss et al
21:25:11 <quaid> omg they have formed like one!!!
21:27:14 <quaid> ok, now that I've have fired most of my missles for the day
21:27:51 <quaid> I am going to run errands for 1+ hours
21:27:53 <quaid> in a few minutes
21:29:37 <rrix> quaid: can I tell you how impressed I am watching all of this come together? :)
21:33:25 <quaid> iz nutz :)
21:33:48 <quaid> the hard part is getting it all laid out so anyone can help
21:34:29 <rrix> quaid: if you need any help on scaffolding ping me whenever :)
01:52:00 <abadger1999> Hey, so I'm not sure what should go on the main page that's not already on the shortinfo page.
01:52:04 <abadger1999> Anyone fill me in?
01:52:39 <rrix> abadger1999: I think Notes: should go more in depth as to what is to be expected etc
01:52:47 <rrix> see my overtly verbose KDE Netbook idea
01:52:56 <rrix> Probably *too* verbose
01:52:59 <abadger1999> rrix: What's the difference between notes on shortinfo and the main page?
01:53:01 <abadger1999> :-)
01:53:30 <rrix> More notes, I guess? quaid should probably clear that up. I took the hint from the RHQ one that Notes: is the difference between the two
01:54:53 <abadger1999> rrix: heh -- now, the RHQ main page matches the shortinfo page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_RHQ
01:55:08 <rrix> does it?
01:55:10 <rrix> :(
01:55:25 <rrix> oh quaidfriend, hallllp :D
01:55:26 <abadger1999> rrix: Your KDE page was the only one that seemed to present something different on the main page :-)
01:55:45 <rrix> at /some/ point they were different, or I took it upon myself, idk :)
01:55:54 <rrix> 'tis the same
01:55:55 <rrix> huh
01:56:39 <rrix> well, it's always been the same according to history
01:56:43 * rrix crawls into a ball
01:56:44 <abadger1999> huh.
01:57:01 <abadger1999> rrix: It must be a mediawiki bug ;-)  not saving all the history
01:57:07 <rrix> :D YES
01:57:14 <rrix> Not My Fault ™
02:19:35 <abadger1999> quaid: hey, ping me when you get in about what I should put o nthe Project main pages.
02:19:49 <quaid> abadger1999: hola
02:19:54 <abadger1999> Oh hey!
02:20:33 <abadger1999> quaid: So here's what I have: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_PackageDB_Enhancements
02:20:47 <abadger1999> quaid: and for Coprs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_Copr
02:21:16 <quaid> coo
02:22:03 <quaid> just create two new sections on the [[Category:S_C_ideas]] page
02:22:10 <quaid> then transclude the shortinfo
02:22:20 <quaid> sorry if the instructions are convoluted
02:22:41 <abadger1999> quaid: I did that.
02:22:46 <quaid> also, join the discuss list so we can talk w/ $whoever
02:22:48 <quaid> ok
02:22:53 <abadger1999> quaid: But I was wondering what more needs to go on the mainpage.
02:23:13 <abadger1999> quaid: Since the mainpage template nad the shortinfo template seem to be the same.
02:23:15 <quaid> [[S_C_2010]]?
02:23:25 * abadger1999 checks
02:23:28 <quaid> oic
02:23:43 <quaid> well, yeah, they are a bit the same -- you can expand on it or whatever
02:24:02 <abadger1999> Okay... Treat it as freeform okay too?
02:24:07 <quaid> sure!
02:24:33 * quaid should make the template more  clear
02:25:18 <abadger1999> quaid: What type of information do you think people would want there?
02:25:36 <abadger1999> Coprs has an overview page for itself: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Copr
02:26:16 <abadger1999> packagedbDB has a potential TODO  list for 0.6.x https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/wiki/ToDo
02:26:27 <abadger1999> Not sure if either of those is what's being looked for or not.
02:26:53 <quaid> ok, I was thinking about the "how much work" earlier ...
02:27:42 <quaid> I'm a bit unclear on what Google thinks the economics are, but their program runs 8 or so weeks
02:28:17 <quaid> so that's about 320 hours if full time
02:28:31 <quaid> and if that's $5000, that's $15.63 an hour
02:30:33 <quaid> anyway, it occurs to me that we might want to think in terms of what can be accomplished in about 250 hours, which is about 6 weeks
02:30:59 <abadger1999> Ah , they're salaried so it's 640 hours ;-)
02:31:12 <quaid> heh
02:31:30 <quaid> well, yes, it is a salary, but I'm trying to see how it stands up againsta $summer_job
02:33:32 <abadger1999> quaid: So we're thinking 250hours/6 weeks because that's the time we have in the summer or the money we're going to spent per student?
02:34:53 <abadger1999> also: The Fedora Summer Coding work period is 11 weeks long, May 24 - August 9
02:35:09 <abadger1999> From here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application
02:40:05 <abadger1999> bbiab; ping if you want me
02:57:42 <quaid> abadger1999: I was trying to figure out the best-case of what we can pay students and what way to view it
03:32:16 <mchua> Also depends on the employment/tax situation, since taxes can take a good hunk of your paycheck.
03:33:00 <mchua> If you're on the payroll as a "contractor," then taxes are... ouch. OLPC paid $500/wk for interns (in Boston, which is expensive) - which seems like plenty until you realize that a hefty chunk of that goes into taxes.
03:33:41 <mchua> Not sure how the tax/legal thing works out for this sort of stuff, honestly - just remember getting blindsided by it one year as an intern myself and being able to save way less than I'd planned.
04:32:34 <sharavsambuu> hello all
04:35:55 <dash123> hello
04:53:06 <sharavsambuu> im from Mongolia
04:53:24 <sharavsambuu> and im still searching mentors
04:53:37 <sharavsambuu> i don't wich is better for me :(
04:54:43 <sharavsambuu> sorry for ma bad English
04:55:08 <sharavsambuu> i don't know which project is better for me
04:58:02 <sharavsambuu> i just  know following stuffs these are: java, C, C++ and python
05:02:25 <rrix> abadger1999: freefile really needs silverlight? Ouch
05:17:43 <dash123> sharavasambuu: two things. Availabaility of mentor. Second Avilability of idea. usually "idea" is the bottleneck. So look around...try openhatch.org for projects that match your skills. Browse around fedorahosted.org for projects of interest
05:18:25 <dash123> if you have a good idea, guys here will find you the right mentor.
06:11:09 <abadger1999> rrix: Yep.  hate hate hate
06:11:50 <rrix> How ridiculous... Wasn't the administration not six months ago pushing to drop flash even for freely available formats?
06:13:10 <abadger1999> It must be MS's "we're open source" fud paying off.
06:13:51 <abadger1999> Look, novel's shipping moonlight and we're not suing them!
06:14:13 <rrix> The sad thing is that it works, I'd say, given reactions even within the FOSS community :/
06:14:34 <abadger1999> <nod>
06:14:38 <rrix> Has debian also forbid moonlight, out of curiousity
06:14:40 <rrix> ?
06:18:39 <abadger1999> Looks like they do
06:18:52 <abadger1999> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Moonlight
06:19:21 <abadger1999> Says out of date but the legal issues below say they've been worked through.
06:19:46 <abadger1999> Err... Looks like they do ship it.
06:23:44 <rrix> interesting
06:24:05 <rrix> They ship it... but the multimedia crap is either binary-m$ stuff, or libavcodec
06:24:44 * rrix shrugs
15:03:09 * jreznik has just sent fsc "spam"/info mail to brno red hat people responsible for students jobs
15:03:25 <jreznik> few people are interested in as mentors/project ideas
15:49:43 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_comment_on_Summer_Coding_2010_proposals
15:49:53 <quaid> thx mchua and sugarlabs.org for the idea :)
17:15:44 <maploin> hi, is the schedule for this year's FSC set in stone? I'm a student in Romania and school here doesn't end until July.
17:16:43 <maploin> Is it possible to have it tweaked?
17:18:35 <mchua> quaid: ^
18:02:55 <mchua> quaid may be afk.
18:03:30 <mchua> maploin: If you're still around - sorry about the delay, I'm in a few meetings at the moment. The schedule for the summer is set for what it is, I believe, but accommodating schools with different schedules has been high on our list.
18:03:40 <mchua> I'd say it's worth asking about on the mailing list.
18:03:54 <mchua> The worst case scenario is that we go "okay, well, maybe we can't do that this year, but we need to fix it so that it will work out for you next year."
18:04:01 <mchua> And you'll have improved the program for a lot of people in your position.
18:04:25 <mchua> I know we've talked about the possibility of extending this to cover time periods outside of June-Aug, so it's not too far out of the question, imo.
18:08:17 <maploin> mchua, thanks. I'm just testing the waters here. It would be a lot more comfortable for me to not have to juggle school and FSC
18:08:23 <maploin> so I'll email the list
18:10:57 * mchua nods
18:11:00 <mchua> Great - thanks!
18:11:04 <mchua> I hope it works out.
18:51:36 <mchua> Wiki-gardening query: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode
18:51:49 <mchua> The big link at the top of the page that says "Fedora Summer Coding 2010 is underway" but links to a blank page.
18:51:56 <mchua> Should that... go somewhere?
18:52:03 * mchua attempts to guess at a fix, one sec
18:53:23 * mchua redirected to [[Summer Coding 2010]]
19:39:19 <abadger1999> mchua_afk, quaid: I'm not sure how much leeway/whatnot there is in the schedule, but having worked with maploin last year, I'd be happy to accommodate his schedule if I mentor the project he works on.
21:02:26 <rrix> quaid: j0
21:02:38 <rrix> er, a ping is probably better :)
15:26:28 <quaid> abadger1999: we have leeway with the schedule, I should say
15:26:42 <abadger1999> quaid: Excellent.
15:26:44 <quaid> we picked something to run with, but a proposal can include an alternate schedule, IMO
15:26:51 <quaid> rrix: 'sup!
15:26:55 <quaid> rrix: pong of course
15:28:02 <quaid> yeah, I'd rather bend around like crazy a bit this year, and if we _learn_ something needs setting in stone, then do that :)
15:50:26 <abadger1999> maploin: Hey, quaid Just mentioned that alternative schedule can be included as part of the proposal and if a mentor will still pick up the proposal it's fine.
15:50:49 <maploin> wow, awesome then
15:51:12 <maploin> that is, if you agree with it :)
15:51:34 <abadger1999> Yep, I'm definitely willing to work with the schedule you need :-)
15:55:40 <maploin> thank you very much
16:35:57 <quaid> yeah, one of the problems I'd like to see us solve is where the SoC schedule never lined up with some peole's schools
16:36:06 <quaid> the other is the "Summer in the South" problem :)
17:26:43 <abadger1999> <nod>
17:33:13 <rrix> quaid: oh, yeah, is it okay if jreznik and I have prospective mentors talk to us before submitting an application? We were talking last(?) night about the KDE Netbook Spin FSC project, and since communication really is the _key_ to this fsc project, we'd like them to come talk to us first so we can help them write a better proposal
17:38:55 * rrix bbl touring his future dorm
18:26:35 <itamarjp1> hello guys
18:26:44 <itamarjp1> can I submit my proposal for GSOC ?
02:42:45 <mathstuf> ls
02:45:40 <rescrv> beameruserguide.pdf bin dotfiles grade_scripts.tar.gz misc ONYAG.jpg passwd
02:45:43 <rescrv> programming restore-ssh.py root rpmbuild uzbl_download uzbl.spec yumdep.py
03:27:41 <adimania> hi rrix
03:28:38 <adimania> I want to talk about Kde Netbook Remix, if you have a minute
03:28:52 <rrix> hi adimania, how are you?
03:29:15 <adimania> I am good :)
03:29:23 <adimania> Thanks. how are you?
03:29:28 <rrix> Not too bad :)
03:30:01 <adimania> yeah, saw at fedora-kde that you had a bad day.
03:30:20 <rrix> heh, it's getting better, steadily :)
03:31:27 <adimania> Well what I wanted to talk about is that I have remastered fedora before, adding packages to improve usability for beginners.
03:31:36 <rrix> awesome :)
03:31:51 <adimania> I am interested in applying for Netbook remix
03:32:21 <rrix> The big thing, probably the most important thing is that a lot of the work is going to have to be done in heavy communcation with the KDE SIG, upstream, and FESCo, which is why jreznik and I want the chance to talk to possible mentorees
03:32:46 <rrix> I'm excited to see so many people interested in the project :)
03:32:47 <mathstuf> rrix: netbook remix involves package splitting?
03:32:51 <rrix> mathstuf: yup
03:33:09 <rrix> adimania: this is mathstuf, unfortunate enough to have to deal with me in the SIG on occaision ;)
03:33:30 <adimania> Although I haven't ever stripped down the distro but I think I can do it. Hi mathstuf :)
03:33:30 <rrix> adimania: do you have any experience in packaging?
03:34:30 <adimania> A packaged .deb a couple of years ago. Didn't do anything because of workload lately.
03:34:38 <rrix> ahh okay
03:34:59 <adimania> I guess rpm can be packaged in same way.
03:35:15 <adimania> a spec file and all that stuff
03:35:41 <rrix> I think the biggest portion of this project will be packaging work, splitting them primarily, which is decidedly a little more complicated than putting them together. Figuring out dependancies is the hardest thing about it, probably.
03:36:05 <rrix> but you have packaging experience, which is a good thing
03:36:08 <mathstuf> yeah
03:36:18 <mathstuf> finding out what reqs go with what is the painful part
03:36:34 <adimania> yes, that is the first thing I thought of. adding stuff is easy, stripping is difficult.
03:36:55 <rrix> and figuring out something to do so that the distro doesn't break when the split packages end up in Fedora updates
03:36:57 <mathstuf> kdeedu will be the worst imo
03:37:29 <rrix> yup yup
03:38:02 <adimania> But this will an awesome project to spend my summer vacation.
03:38:08 <rrix> adimania: do you have any current invovlemtn in Fedora/
03:38:12 <rrix> involvement, too*
03:38:43 <mathstuf> step, akonadi, rocs, cantor
03:38:58 <mathstuf> large/complex apps that are probably tangled together
03:39:07 <adimania> rrix: I am a fedora ambassador. I have organized several workshops and install fests and I am maintaining a local repo in my college
03:39:10 <rrix> kdepim should be fun too... I think any splitting will end up pulling them back together by deps anyways
03:39:19 <rrix> adimania: awesome ! even better :)
03:40:04 <rrix> I guess... hmmm. idk what jaroslav and I are looking for in a proposal right now
03:40:04 <adimania> Install fests are fun. Got to work on all sort of laptop hardware.
03:40:20 * rrix hasn't had the chance to go to any installfests yet; they're always in the morning ;)
03:41:00 <adimania> We run install fests in two shifts. morning and evening! :)
03:41:10 <rrix> Now that is a good idea :)
03:41:39 <rrix> quaid: ping
03:43:12 <adimania> So, what are you expecting in an application?
03:43:33 <rrix> I'm pretty sure https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application is still under construction so I'm just going through out some stuff
03:43:34 <adimania> Are there any pre-requisites?
03:44:09 <rrix> 1) list previous experience in packaging and involvement in FOSS
03:44:25 <rrix> 2) current invovment in Fedora (if any)
03:44:42 <rrix> 3)hmm
03:44:50 <rrix> looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application it has most of the stuff on it
03:45:31 <rrix> I laid out pretty well what the project consists of on the wiki, that can probably be omitted, but most of the other stuff on there is pertinent
03:45:53 <adimania> I saw that already. I was talking about project specific requirements. I guess packaging is one of them. What's more?
03:45:55 <rrix> quaid: how are we handling applications? Are they being added as wiki pages in the FSC2010 category?
03:46:07 <rrix> ahhh
03:46:11 <rrix> 1) Package splitting
03:46:35 <rrix> 1.1) communicating with the SIG about how you plan on it, and taking input from them at a regular meeting, and/or on the mailing list
03:46:48 <rrix> 1.2) doing the actual package splitting work
03:47:08 <rrix> 1.3) Figuring out a solution that doesn't cause existing installs to break when the user updates to the split packages
03:47:18 <rrix> 2) Add as Fedora 14 Feature
03:47:36 <rrix> 2.1) Create Feature wiki page
03:47:55 <rrix> 2.2) Communicate with FESCo at all Feature meetings you can attend (fairly not-often
03:48:26 <rrix> 3) Make it a 'blessed' Fedora 14 spin
03:48:39 <adimania> I like 3) :D
03:48:45 <rrix> 3.1) This all goes through FESCo, I'm not 100% sure of what has to ahppen
03:48:57 <rrix> it sounds like a butt-ton of work, but the entire SIG will be working with you on this project :)
03:49:13 <rrix> which is why I keep banging on the communication frying pan :)
03:50:21 <adimania> Communication is important in any case. Especially to avoid duplication of work.
03:50:54 <rrix> Yup
03:50:57 <rrix> another thing, i guess
03:51:16 <rrix> 4) If bugs are discovered, you should be in close contact with the Plasma folks upstream
03:51:25 <rrix> they are nice folks, and a lot of really cool folks
03:51:51 <adimania> yeah. I know a few people from KDE. They are nice people to talk.
03:52:25 <rrix> jreznik said that there were some layout issues with the plasma-netbook on eeepc700, which is one of the devices we are targeting. If this is so, we need to relay the information to them. I'm a beginner plasma-hacker so I may be able to help out in that field (the work as well as talking with them)
03:53:44 <adimania> hmm. I haven't done any thing with plasma. :(
03:54:52 <rrix> well, communication :) you shouldn't have to do any madness f bugfxing yourself
03:55:11 <rrix> just making sure that notmart and the plasma-netbook folks are aware of it
03:55:59 <adimania> Ahh. Relatively easy task. :)
03:56:10 <rrix> yup!
03:56:35 <adimania> I think I should start with package splitting.
03:56:56 <rrix> yup
03:57:08 <rrix> mathstuf: do you see that I'm missing anything? I'll run this by jaroslav tomorrow
04:05:47 <mathstuf> i dont think so
04:08:26 <rrix> sweet!
04:08:35 <rrix> adimania: I look forward to hearing more from you!
04:09:31 <adimania> I will get back to you once I am done with packaging and splitting or if I face any sort of problems.
04:09:54 <adimania> In any case, I will idle on this channel :)
04:11:48 <rrix> adimania: I think for now, the FSC folks would like to see proposals; I'm not really sure that the funding stuff is all set up yet, and what exactly is gong to happen with that. We're kinda, as quaid said in a recent blog post, moving in while the sacffolding is still up and there are things I'm not 100% sure of. I'd hate to see you start all sorts of work, and then  hit a wall when expectations change
04:13:38 <adimania> Even if I don't get the project or things change, I don't think learning packaging and splitting will hurt. I may be able to contribute to some other projects with this knowledge. Right?
04:15:51 <rrix> I like that attitude a lot :)
04:16:56 <rrix> I'm going to throw this log at jreznik if that's okay with you
04:17:51 <adimania> Its absolutely fine with me. Thanks for compliment. :)
04:17:57 <rrix> oh, I totally just had a thinko; You're Aditya who mailed me today, aren't you
04:18:06 <rrix> well, yesterday :)
04:18:08 <adimania> Yes. The very same.
04:18:19 <rrix> awesome!
04:24:53 <adimania> Well then, I am off to finish my assignments. I will catch up with you later. Nice talking to you rrix :)
04:25:06 <rrix> The same!
04:25:10 <rrix> have a good day, adimania
04:25:29 <adimania> Good Day to you too.
06:34:18 <mbuf> can someone tell me why I am getting this Template loop detected message at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI_-_shortinfo
06:34:47 <mbuf> and why is the content displayed twice?
06:35:21 <rrix> Because it's transcluding itself by the looks of it
06:35:43 <mbuf> rrix: how do I fix it?
06:35:50 <rrix> mbuf: try now
06:36:01 <rrix> wait
06:36:11 <rrix> something is wrong; that's not the shortinfo page, that's the mainpage
06:36:44 <rrix> oh, that's you :)
06:37:00 <mbuf> rrix: its fixed now; what did you do?
06:37:03 <rrix> mbuf: I didn't know this was your page, my apologies
06:37:21 <rrix> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_Coding_2010_ideas <-- I didn't fix it, I just removed the transclusion
06:37:27 <mbuf> rrix: ok, no problem
06:37:36 <mbuf> rrix: I am just going to format it now
06:38:07 <rrix> I just undid my last revision; let me know when you are done formatting it, I can help you clean it up
06:38:32 <rrix> (so it's gonna say it's looping when you're done editing)
06:38:45 <mbuf> rrix: yes it does; let me edit again
06:39:40 <mbuf> rrix: done
06:40:07 <rrix> mbuf: basically what needs to happen... copy the More Information section to your clipboard, then move that page to [[Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI]], then go back and create [[Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI_-_shortinfo]] with that More Information section
06:40:47 * rrix moves
06:40:48 <mbuf> rrix: sorry, but, I could hardly understand the way it was written; English is not my native language
06:40:58 <mbuf> rrix: I meant the instructions to create the page
06:41:42 <rrix> mbuf: Yeah, it's 1am for me, sorry :)
06:41:53 <rrix> er, wow, it's only 2340
06:41:56 <mbuf> rrix: no problem; are you fixing something there?
06:42:15 <mbuf> rrix: I am seeing Template recursion depth limit exceeded (40)
06:42:48 <rrix> I am fixing it all up
06:43:08 <rrix> try https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI now
06:43:32 <mbuf> rrix: the Notes vanished
06:43:43 <rrix> waitwhat?
06:44:08 <mbuf> rrix: there is nothing in the notes that had the project description and the use cases
06:44:50 <rrix> I have introduction and use cases section in my copy I just refreshed
06:44:58 <mbuf> rrix: let me refresh
06:45:17 * rrix will be back in one moment
06:46:07 <rrix> mbuf: is it still not correct?
06:46:44 <mbuf> rrix: at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI_-_shortinfo, I am not able to see any Notes
06:47:12 <rrix> mbuf: I moved them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI and made mediawiki include https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI_-_shortinfo at the top of that page
06:47:16 <mbuf> rrix: at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_Coding_2010_ideas, the More information section has moved to 11. and nothing is seen at DGC GTK GUI
06:47:36 <mbuf> rrix: ahh! ok
06:47:52 <rrix> lemme link the shortinfo to the main page
06:48:21 <mbuf> rrix: yes, please;
06:48:54 <rrix> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI
06:49:27 <mbuf> rrix: what about this page? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_Coding_2010_ideas
06:49:59 <rrix> What of it?
06:51:12 <mbuf> rrix: it has a 10. DGC GTK GUI, but its content is in 11. More information
06:51:36 <rrix> I removed that head from the shortinfo just as you asked :)
06:51:38 <mbuf> rrix: ok, I refreshed and it is ok now
06:51:46 <mbuf> rrix: looks good; thanks for your help
06:51:48 <mbuf> rrix: appreciate it
06:52:04 <rrix> Awesome!
06:52:26 <mbuf> rrix: I shall send an e-mail about this to the ML
06:52:30 <rrix> I figured I could help you; I had similar headaches when I tried to do the setup for my proposal :)
06:52:34 <rrix> please do
06:52:36 <rrix> !!
07:14:42 <mbuf> sent e-mail to the group
07:15:11 <rrix> woot
07:17:14 <rrix> FSC is coming together nicely, I'm impressed
07:19:31 <mbuf> rrix: it would be nice if we could have a portal kind of interface that takes you from submitting the proposals, to agreeing between Fedora, mentor and the student, mid reviews, and final submission
07:19:49 <rrix> Sounds like a good FSC proposal :D
07:19:50 <mbuf> rrix: sort of gives an overall picture as to where and what each task is at
07:19:54 <mbuf> rrix: :)
07:20:13 <mbuf> rrix: I had a discussion on that with sankarshan_away earlier
07:20:20 <rrix> oh?
07:20:48 <mbuf> rrix: if it can be streamlined, it can be used for newbies entering into a project, for example;
07:20:56 <rrix> definitely could be
07:22:56 <mbuf> rrix: what happens next?
07:23:07 <rrix> with your proposal
07:23:09 <rrix> ?
07:23:13 <mbuf> rrix: yes
07:23:38 <rrix> A bunch of people will show up on IRC to ask questions about it, hopefully a few will submit proposals, which you'll evaluate, and choose the best to work with :)
07:23:48 <mbuf> rrix: I see
07:24:05 <rrix> as for the exact details you'd have to ask quaid
07:24:05 <mbuf> rrix: let me also announce it at FEL ML
07:24:13 <mbuf> rrix: I see
07:25:39 <mbuf> rrix: is it ok if I give small tasks to those who have submitted proposals, to test how much work they can get done, and then decide on who can work on the task in hand?
07:26:15 <rrix> mbuf: idk; you'd have to ask quaid. Personally I'd say yes, but I'm not in charge :)
07:26:41 <mbuf> rrix: ok
09:25:28 <Dizie> hi, is anybody here from Redhat czech?
09:45:26 <anirudhnair> mbuf:ping
09:45:34 <mbuf> anirudhnair: pong
09:46:14 <anirudhnair> mbuf, Hi, wanted to know more about the gtk enhancements in dgc
09:46:32 <mbuf> anirudhnair: did you go through the use cases?
09:46:44 <mbuf> anirudhnair: please introduce yourself
09:47:56 <anirudhnair> mbuf: I'm Anirudh Nair, currently pursuing 3rd yr B.Tech from VIT University
09:48:25 <anirudhnair> mbuf: B.Tech Computer Sciences
09:49:17 <mbuf> anirudhnair: and?
09:49:24 <anirudhnair> mbuf: I just installed dgc, but having problems getting the gui to work. I'm not getting the dgc-gui executable
09:49:42 <mbuf> anirudhnair: there is no gui enabled at the moment
09:49:53 <mbuf> anirudhnair: it has been disabled
09:50:19 <anirudhnair> mbuf: ok
09:50:37 <mbuf> anirudhnair: tell me what you have done from http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html
09:56:51 <anirudhnair> mbuf: I think i'm a KID. I have been using GNU/Linux for two years now. I code in C and a bit of perl. I had started of with a FOSS project last summer. The details are here http://www.twincling.org/project/alan.
09:57:49 <mbuf> anirudhnair: you only have to tell me what you have completed, not which phase you are at
09:57:56 <anirudhnair> My other interests include OS, compilers and cloud computing
09:58:33 <mbuf> anirudhnair: can I anonymous svn checkout of your repo?
10:01:23 <anirudhnair> mbuf:yes you can
10:04:06 <mbuf> anirudhnair: ok
10:05:36 <mbuf> anirudhnair: any C code?
10:05:45 <mbuf> anirudhnair: alan is in Perl
10:05:59 <anirudhnair> mbuf: Ya, it is perl
10:07:03 <anirudhnair> mbuf: Not contributed to any project with C codebase
10:07:19 <mbuf> anirudhnair: ok
10:12:26 <anirudhnair> mbuf: twincling works seasonally. primarily during summers. So, the development will continue this summer
10:15:24 <anirudhnair> mbuf: dgc has not had much commits since 2003. Was it a research project?
10:16:08 <mbuf> anirudhnair: yes; the updated sources are at fedorahosted
10:21:57 <anirudhnair> mbuf: from the gnubie list i've not done python, git and rpm packaging. I think i'm comfortable with the rest
10:22:47 <mbuf> anirudhnair: ok
10:23:04 <mbuf> anirudhnair: please send me an e-mail answering the following, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_DGC_GTK_GUI#You_are_a_prospective_student
10:23:20 <anirudhnair> mbuf: ok
10:23:45 <mbuf> anirudhnair: thanks
13:19:18 <chandu> hello
15:53:22 <nanda> hello
15:54:12 <nanda> who is here
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15:54:56 <nanda> anybody here?
17:14:18 <Dizie> HI a
19:37:57 <rohan> rrix: hello.. are you around?
02:30:35 <adimania> hey rrix
02:30:55 <rrix> hi there aditya :)
02:31:21 <adimania> you remember my name! :)
02:31:57 <rrix> yup
02:32:28 <adimania> I have created a draft of the application. Can you just have a look at it?
02:32:40 <rrix> sure
02:32:45 <adimania> If you have a few minutes to spare.
02:32:53 <adimania> Check out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_application_-_Aditya_Patawari
02:34:16 <adimania> Check out the timeline in the application.
02:35:53 <rrix> I'm a little afraid that three weeks to handle all the splitting would not be sufficient; four or five may better. I have a feeling it will be quite the task
02:36:45 <rrix> otherwise it looks really good
02:37:01 <rrix> oh; my name's Ryan, not Rayn, but that's not such a big deal :)
02:37:23 <adimania> oops I am extremely sorry.
02:37:31 <adimania> I'll fix that right away.
02:37:40 <rrix> Hah, no worries at all :)
02:37:52 <rrix> anyone else around to provide feedback?
02:38:40 * rrix brb
05:34:55 <rrix> abadger1999: Copr == KoPeR, correct?
09:22:52 <jpirie23> morning all =)
09:23:32 <jpirie23> does anyone know how much money the student receives in the fedora summer coding?
09:27:47 <sankarshan> jpirie23: I understand that the Fedora Summer Coding admins are working with the sponsors to allocate funds against the accepted project proposals. Nothing is frozen/declared as of now.
09:28:42 <jpirie23> sankarshan: ah right I see. Thanks for the info ;)
11:10:43 <Dizie> anybody from redhat czech?
11:11:55 * jreznik is from red hat czech
11:12:01 <jreznik> Dizie: ^^^
14:21:27 <adimania> hi jreznik,
14:21:43 <jreznik> adimania: hi
14:22:09 <adimania> My name is Aditya and I am interested in KDE Netbook Remix project
14:22:35 <adimania> I have made a draft for my application. Can you please give me some feeedbak?
14:23:41 <adimania> You can see my application at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_application_-_Aditya_Patawari
14:25:02 <jreznik> adimania: hi, unfortunately I have to leave right now - I'll be back in two hours probably and rrix will be probably around too... I'll ping you later
14:25:25 <adimania> yeah, sure.
14:25:30 <adimania> no problem
14:51:20 <abadger1999> rrix: Yes
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17:29:01 <adimania> hey jreznik
17:31:42 <jreznik> adimania: hi
17:32:12 <adimania> if you have a minute then can you please look at my application?
17:32:36 <adimania> the link is : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_application_-_Aditya_Patawari
17:33:14 * jreznik is looking
17:33:25 <adimania> Thanks :)
17:35:58 <jreznik> adimania: package splitting should be one part of project and yes - it's quite longterm part - need to be acked by KDE SIG etc... another important part is to optimize KDE apps settings for netbook usage
17:36:19 <jreznik> it's great you have experiences with fedora remastering
17:36:43 <jreznik> it would needs own comps and maintainer for them
17:37:37 <adimania> I have devoted 5 weeks for package splitting as per rrix's suggestion.
17:39:57 <adimania> By optimizing KDE apps setting, I take that you want to say that minimize processes at startup, set the settings so that it uses minimum amount of resources
17:41:58 <jreznik> adimania: splitting is more something to continue on mathstuff's (I think it was him) work on proposal for KDE SIG, so it will take some time but more like one hour to think about and 1 week to wait for resolution ;-)
17:44:21 <adimania> okay. So you mean to say that splitting will be done in another project (At least most of it).
17:44:24 <adimania> ?
17:49:09 <jreznik> more like - it has to go through KDE SIG, and of course KDE SIG will help you as much as possible
17:49:38 <jreznik> another task it - work as close as possible with moblin spin people to define base platform for netbook shells
17:50:38 <jreznik> and last one - of course - some upstream involvement - not as developer but to redirect some thoughts from our side to them
17:51:30 <adimania> yes. I know upstream involvement is important. I'll try to engage myself with moblin too
17:54:12 <adimania> Now that package splitting is not the main task. What do you think I should set my focus upon?
17:56:34 <jreznik> adimania: main task is "kde netbook spin" - with a lot of subsequent subtasks - and I can say which one is more or less important
17:57:32 <jreznik> would be nice if you can join our kde sig meeting tomorrow - 14:00 UTC, I'd like to discuss summer coding in more details with other folks
17:57:57 <adimania> yes, I can definitely do that.
17:59:26 <adimania> I get that main task is to build the spin with suitable configuration without worrying much about where the packages are coming from and who is splitting them. Am I right?
18:02:28 <jreznik> adimania: yes, it's quite accurate description
18:03:07 <adimania> okay. Then I need to adjust my timeline :)
18:03:42 <jreznik> I prefer working in community
18:03:54 <jreznik> ok
18:04:41 <adimania> well, same here. But now that I think of it, I guess I should adjust the timeline after tomorrow's meeting.
18:05:53 <jreznik> adimania: good idea
18:13:05 <Iref> hi i would like to ask if there is any page where i can find jboss ideas for fedora summer coding
18:20:57 <adimania> Iref: I think all the ideas are listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_Coding_2010_ideas
18:23:27 <Iref> adimania:thanks
19:00:32 * quaid finishes catching up on the IRC backlog
19:21:37 <rrix> helloes everyone
19:21:51 <adimania> hi rrix
19:21:57 <rrix> hi there
19:22:03 * rrix back in five
19:22:11 <adimania> sure thing
19:31:49 <rrix> sorry, I'm back
19:42:58 <jreznik> hi rri
19:43:00 <jreznik> x
19:45:30 <rrix> yo jaroslav
20:42:04 <rohan> rrix: hello, are you around?
20:42:13 <rrix> hiya
21:01:15 <rohan> oops, sorry, i was away.. so, rrix , did you get a chance to go through my email?
21:04:05 <rrix> rohan: I believe so, yes
21:06:15 <rohan> great :)
21:06:19 <rohan> so, what do you think about it?
21:07:02 <rrix> rohan: Looks pretty good! :) I think that most of the stuff that needs to happen I laid out to you the last time we talked. The most improtant thing you can do is to gain a quick precursery knowledge of RPM packaging, I'd say.
21:07:24 <rrix> Also, you'll need to submit a proposal so that the other FSC mentors can see what you have in mind http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application
21:07:49 <rohan> yes, i just wanted to cleared by you before submitting a formal proposal
21:08:09 <rrix> Cool :)
21:09:28 <rohan> i just had one snag, rrix .. i will have my exams during the month of may/june. it will start in may end and should get over by early june, or latest by mid-june
21:10:42 <rohan> i am not saying i will be totally inactive during that time, but just a bit slowed down
21:10:45 <rrix> rohan: that shouldn't be a large problem, just be sure to note it in the timeline you propose
21:12:00 <rohan> also, i don't remember talking about the specific proposal the last time we talked (which was on #fedora-kde). sorry, but can you please refresh me? :)
21:12:32 <rrix> hmm?
21:13:41 <rohan> i remember you said that you were around only for 2 minutes, and that i instead email you.
21:14:08 <rohan> i hard left shortly after, since it was late night here in india.
21:14:49 <rohan> or maybe there was a problem in my internet connection and i was disconnected? (happens quite often unfortunately)
21:15:11 <rrix> oh yeah
21:15:43 <rrix> hmm
21:16:35 <rohan> would you happen to have the logs handy please?
21:16:52 <rrix> lemme dig it up, yeah, five minutes
21:22:07 <rohan> rrix: if you don't mind, could you please email it to me? it's quite late here. i am again sorry for the confusion
21:23:29 <rrix> Yeah, of course
21:23:36 <rrix> I owe you a reply by the looks of it anyways :)
21:23:40 <rrix> slipped my mind completely
21:23:51 <rrix> rohan: You will have mail in the morning :)
21:24:06 <rohan> sure, thanks! bye, goodnigt
21:24:09 <rohan> err.. not for you :)
21:24:15 <rohan> have a great day ahead
21:24:27 <rrix> have a good night, rohan
22:37:52 <quaid> rrix: thanks for answering questions this weekend!
22:38:08 <rrix> quaid: most of the time it was "idk, you'd have to ask quaid" ;)
22:38:09 <quaid> our event here took more of me than predicted -- all Fri, Sat, & Sun *whew*
22:38:16 <rrix> quaid: were you at TLF?
22:38:19 <quaid> well, seemed to have progressed :)
22:38:36 <quaid> http://www.fairy-talefarm.com/2010/03/26/one-day-cafe-sundays-april-11-and-may-9th/
22:38:42 * rrix click
22:39:01 <rrix> zomg food!
22:39:02 <quaid> that's some of the stuff I do with my $other_time
22:39:22 <rrix> quaid: that's pretty awesome :)
22:39:26 <quaid> yeah, and we had a big rainstorm on Sun which made it hard to get ready (we had to turn the house in to a cafe)
22:39:39 * quaid leftover bread mmmm
22:40:15 <rrix> huh, that is the coolest thing I've seen today :)
22:40:21 <rrix> probably longer, even
22:40:22 <quaid> yeah, the best thing about this one was, it's been 1 year almost to the day since we started events here at the ol' house,
22:40:42 <quaid> and this one we had 3 other people bring stuff to feature, which we've wanted to do all along;
22:40:56 <quaid> and all of us are now planning a monthly underground farmers market
22:41:10 <rrix> nice!
22:41:13 <quaid> probably do it as a club of some sort, so we can legitimize enough to avoid hassles :)
22:42:12 <rrix> That is extremely cool
22:42:16 <rrix> and makes me very hungry :)
03:52:01 <jaideep> hi every one
13:56:05 <adimania> hey jreznik
13:56:37 <jreznik> adimania: hi
13:57:04 <adimania> the meeting is about to start, I think.
14:01:05 <jreznik> I see
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14:33:38 <jreznik> quaid: ping, do we have some posters for fsc?
14:41:31 <hiemanshu> adimania: what meeting?
14:41:59 <jreznik> hiemanshu: kde sig, adimania is interested in one kde idea
14:42:00 <adimania> kde meeting
14:42:21 <hiemanshu> jreznik: ah, the netbook spin?
14:42:28 <adimania> yeah.
14:42:37 * hiemanshu is too
14:42:45 <hiemanshu> Just making up my proposal page
14:43:05 <jreznik> and we are thinking about more ideas
14:43:33 <adimania> and I am still stuck at timeline :(
14:53:46 <quaid> jreznik: no posters
14:54:06 <quaid> we actually recently had the ticket we opened for _last_ year with Design closed because no one piciked up the task
14:54:19 <quaid> but maybe we can try again :)
14:57:47 <hiemanshu> quaid: ping tatica or mizmo for it
15:38:51 <jdk2588> hi I want to know more about the Idea for Nautilus Search Page
15:39:07 <jdk2588> s/Page/Dialog
03:59:32 <kiran_viswm> how u feel about doing a karokke generator as a project?
05:43:09 <jdk2588> I want to work for Nautilus search dialog can anyone just help me
05:46:54 <hiemanshu> jdk2588: try contacting the mentors
14:46:10 <quaid> .pingall SIG Meeting in :15 at 1500 UTC #fedora-meeting
14:46:11 <zodbot> SIG Meeting in :15 at 1500 UTC #fedora-meeting
14:46:13 <zodbot> abadger1999 adimania cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore dorileo foss_bot hiemanshu Iref itamarjp jreznik maploin mchua_afk pil_ pwbarnes quaid rrix rvokal sankarshan_away zodbot
14:46:15 <zodbot> SIG Meeting in :15 at 1500 UTC #fedora-meeting
14:48:31 * jreznik is here
14:49:32 * pil_ was waiting for 1h - still DST issues - switched the time to UTC now
14:51:54 <jreznik> and fun with different DST in EU and USA (two weeks difference)...
14:53:50 <dgilmore> jreznik: and it just finished in .au
14:54:07 <hiemanshu> quaid: I ll be here
14:54:11 <quaid> I have an idea ... let's abolish DST globally!
14:54:37 <pil_> Actually I'd like to have DST all year and have DST++ in summer :)
14:55:37 <jreznik> there was one baker in czech rep. (he died last year I think) he was fighting against DST - he even tried elections for president :)
14:55:38 <pwbarnes> To me, it makes far more sense for those who have a need to adjust their schedules than for everyone to adjust their clocks.
14:55:43 <hiemanshu> quaid: or 1 common timezone
14:56:10 <dgilmore> just eliminate time
14:56:34 <jreznik> dgilmore: +1!
14:56:38 <hiemanshu> dgilmore: and releases fedora randomly when you think its ready ?
14:56:45 <pil_> swatch was for some time promoting watches that had time [0,1000[ as global time all over
14:56:52 <hiemanshu> releases**
14:57:20 <pwbarnes> "183 moons ago, Fedora 18 was released.  Now is the time for Fedora 19."
15:02:45 <dgilmore> hiemanshu: without time we will always release as we need to
15:03:18 <hiemanshu> dgilmore: which is no fun really
15:03:38 <hiemanshu> its a challenge, when you know you can do something in a specific time period
15:06:12 <adimania> hey rrix
15:06:48 <hiemanshu> meeting is on
15:08:24 <jreznik> hiemanshu: pong (here)
15:09:00 <hiemanshu> jreznik: not coming around to the meeting?
15:10:45 <jreznik> hiemanshu: I'm there
18:03:02 <shweta> hi
18:04:22 <adimania> hello
18:20:01 <adimania> hey rrix
19:17:24 <rrix> hu?
19:17:34 <mathstuf_> ?
19:20:16 <quaid> ok, I'm jumping in to gobby
19:20:19 <quaid> to update the schedule
19:20:23 <quaid> if anyone wants to participate :)
19:20:37 <quaid> then I'll email announce@
19:20:49 <quaid> and start prodding devel@ for sponsors (oh, yeah, and ideas)
19:21:38 <quaid> interestingly, that doesn't affect end-times as much
19:21:45 <quaid> since we had three slow weeks in may
19:21:56 * quaid edits FSC2010_schedule
19:44:28 <adimania> hey rrix, you there?
19:44:41 <rrix> HI there, adimania, just saw your email
19:45:18 <adimania> okay. So what do you say?
19:45:34 <adimania> splitting or config?
19:45:45 <rrix> I'd say go with what jreznik said
19:46:48 <adimania> okay. the entire program is shifted for a month, so now I have time to try stripping a distro.
19:47:07 <rrix> yup
19:48:29 <adimania> Any pointer on things I should work on?
19:49:13 <rrix> the plasma javacript desktop configuration api
19:49:15 <rrix> I tink
19:49:17 <rrix> idk
19:49:57 <rrix> if there was some sort of documentation on the config file format; you'll probably just end up configuring things through the GUI then dumping the RC files in a kde-settings package
19:50:34 <adimania> plasma should be fun. I'll start there.
19:50:58 <adimania> I'll check out if any such doc exists.
22:41:06 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
22:41:33 <quaid> .pingall Please look at this proposed schedule update - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
22:41:33 <zodbot> Please look at this proposed schedule update - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
22:41:34 <zodbot> abadger1999 adimania cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore Dizie dorileo foss_bot itamarjp jdk2588 mchua_afk quaid rossand rrix sankarshan_away zodbot
22:41:36 <zodbot> Please look at this proposed schedule update - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
00:30:42 <quaid> ok, how about this one ...
00:30:55 <quaid> .pingall try this proposed schedule out - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
00:30:56 <zodbot> try this proposed schedule out - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
00:30:58 <zodbot> abadger1999 adimania cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore dorileo foss_bot itamarjp jdk2588 mchua_afk pwbarnes_away quaid rossand rrix sankarshan zodbot
00:31:00 <quaid> now I'll send that to the list
00:31:00 <zodbot> try this proposed schedule out - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
00:33:10 <rrix> quaid: I like it
00:33:24 <rrix> I'm a little crammed for finals that week of selection, but I should be able to wing it
00:33:52 <rrix> quaid: the calendar looks a little... odd though
00:34:29 <rrix> mathstuf: hey do you still have all those vim macros for rpmbuild stuff?
00:35:52 <mathstuf> yeah
00:36:12 <rrix> mathstuf: could you pastebin those somewhere for me? :D?
00:56:58 <quaid> rrix: what's odd?
00:57:12 <itamarjp> hello quaid
00:57:16 <quaid> hi itamarjp
00:57:54 <itamarjp> quaid how are summer of code ?
00:58:01 <itamarjp> today is the deadline ?
01:01:02 <quaid> yeah, we really need to get that updated schedule out
01:06:17 <quaid> itamarjp: we decided this morning to move the schedule back a month
01:06:22 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
01:06:27 <quaid> those are the proposed changes
01:06:42 <quaid> itamarjp: we need more time to get sponsors
01:06:50 <quaid> that schedule has the coding start about the same time
01:07:13 <quaid> the main thing it does it leave students not knowing for 4 extra weeks :(
01:26:52 <itamarjp> quaid this is not related to google right ?
02:15:02 <quaid> itamarjp: yes, this is not related to Google
02:37:12 <quaid> rrix: did you think of what was off/odd about that schedule?
02:50:15 <adimania_afk> I liked the new schedule. Though end of it might be jammed as colleges will reopen here.
03:11:12 <quaid> ok, I'm going to insert the schedule in the page ...
03:11:15 <quaid> need to get stuff out there
03:16:34 <quaid> hiemanshu: any comments on this proposed schedule?   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule_-_proposed_changes
03:31:32 <rrix> quaid: The calendar didn't render properly, was the problem :) sorry I had to go; i'm at my friends how atm
04:03:47 <hiemanshu> quaid: looks good
10:14:02 <itamarjp> quaid, I am interesting in writing a web hosting control panel, what do you think about this idea ?
16:42:59 <quaid> itamarjp: a web hosting panel for Fedora Infrastructure to use?
03:13:04 <vs4vijay> hello
19:37:20 * rrix is off for the weekend, will be back sunday-ish
22:54:52 <aamir_> what does happen in SOC
22:58:10 <aamir_> quade: what this gsoc group used to do
23:31:56 <rehan> anybody for help?
23:52:12 <quaid> rehan: hi
23:52:29 <rehan> hello
23:52:39 * quaid sees the topic needs fixing
23:52:49 <rehan> could u give me basic intro about the channel
23:52:55 <quaid> rehan: Fedora is running a summer coding program this year
23:53:05 <quaid> similar to Google Summer of Code
23:53:11 <rehan> for the first time?
23:53:14 <quaid> but mainly for projects just in Fedora
23:53:18 <quaid> our first time running one ourselves
23:53:24 <quaid> we've been in Google's program the last 5 years.
23:53:54 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010 has information for students, mentors, etc.
23:55:31 <rehan> but as it is less popular so participation will be less
23:55:56 <rehan> as it is running for first time
23:57:25 <quaid> yes, and also the sponsorship is less
23:57:37 <quaid> our model, which we are building from Google's
23:57:53 <quaid> is trying to include more than just one corporate/organization/academic sponsor.
23:58:04 <rehan> what is the requirement for students to join it?
23:58:35 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010#You_are_a_student
23:59:01 <rehan> any special skill which is required for the students
23:59:27 <rehan> ok fine i will first read the site
00:02:46 * quaid is here to answer questions when you've read that :)
00:07:08 <rehan> sir i like the mmcgrath idea of making a plugin
00:07:26 <rehan> for new user
00:07:46 <rehan> so i have mailed him personally that i would like to work on your idea
00:09:03 <rehan> quaid: actually i know a little bit about plugin formation but i can learn before the start of soc program
00:09:24 <rehan> could i get inside the soc program
00:25:22 <quaid> ok, for asking about the welcome plugin, best is to ask on the mailing list summer-coding-discuss
00:25:30 <quaid> check the archives, there was one question had so far:
00:25:53 <quaid> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/summer-coding-discuss/2010-April/thread.html
00:26:15 <quaid> appears two people asked about it?
00:26:45 <quaid> rehan: do you have any questions about what you should be doing, as a student?
00:30:53 <rehan> it would be online program right?
00:33:34 <quaid> yes
00:34:49 <quaid> students practice the types of skills covered in this book:
00:34:52 <quaid> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Textbook_Release_0.8
12:54:49 <aamir> can anyone give me link to join summer coding mailling list
12:56:22 <adimania> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding-discuss
12:57:26 <adimania> quaid: Can you put this on the Topic of IRC? "Join Summer Of Coding List at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding-discuss"
07:56:01 <kevin_> hi all
16:16:32 <rohan> hi rrix .. are you around?
16:02:32 <rwmjones> quaid, thanks for that reply ... so to be clear, we would have to raise $5K somehow and that money would then be used to attract students to our potential project?
16:03:21 <quaid> ah!
16:03:25 <quaid> no
16:03:45 <quaid> sorry for the confusion, here's the deal:
16:03:50 <quaid> 1. we need good ideas, they help attract students and sponsors
16:04:18 <quaid> 2. we need sponsors, which our mentor team would then be reponsible for deciding who to fund from the sponsoring pool.
16:04:46 <quaid> but ...
16:04:48 <rwmjones> ok I see
16:04:58 <quaid> it's possible that somesponsorship funding is earmarked.
16:05:20 <quaid> so, if you did find a sponsor and wanted it to fund one of your ideas, that's OK
16:05:23 <quaid> but not required :)
16:05:53 <quaid> now that we get to make our own rules, we'll try on some stuff this first time without being sure we'll do the same things again after we learn more
16:06:22 <adimania> If I did not get a sponsor can I work for a t-shirt and a certificate?
16:06:27 <adimania> :)
16:06:36 <quaid> yep
16:07:02 <rwmjones> quaid, ok ... so I wrote this (it's actually for a forthcoming magazine article): http://fpaste.org/mdq4/ ... it got me thinking about which of those might be suitable as short student projects
16:08:10 <adimania> can more than one student work on same idea? (of course if they agree to share the sponsorship or if one agrees to work for a t-shirt and a certificate)
16:08:40 <quaid> right, that's another idea Google didn't allow ... and I think mentors should be willing to consider.
16:10:23 <adimania> I think that it might be possible that a student is doing something but he *really* want to contribute and agrees to work only for a t-shirt and a certificate or some such thing then he should be allowed. What do you say about it quaid?
16:10:58 <adimania> obviously since he is doing something else he might not be able to work full time on the project.
16:11:19 <adimania> do we have any provision for such cases?
16:12:58 <quaid> well, that sounds a lot like ...
16:13:02 <quaid> regular work in the project.
16:13:13 <quaid> just slightly more formal :)
16:14:35 <quaid> adimania: I would support that, and it's likely our team could fund the shirts,etc.
16:15:37 <adimania> well yes. The thing is that we have delayed the program so the vacation will be almost over by the time students start coding. So they will work part-time, hence my thoughts.
16:16:01 <quaid> oh?
16:16:10 <quaid> which vacation?
16:16:20 <adimania> I mean summer holidays.
16:16:26 <quaid> note that the new schedule has the actual coding start only one week later
16:17:00 <quaid> OK, I'm used to summer holidays starting after the middle of May and going until the end of August
16:18:40 <adimania> In India and most of the eastern countries holidays will start from the beginning of May and will end at mid July.
19:14:30 <rohan> rrix: hi.. are you around?
20:22:04 <rrix> rohan: hiya
20:55:08 <rohan> rrix: i am sorry, it is nearing night time here.. i will talk to you tomorrow :)
20:55:17 <rrix> heh, oka--
22:02:59 <yaoyi__> close
04:40:07 <adimania> hey quaid, are the flyers/posters for summer coding out yet?
04:57:41 <quaid> adimania: no; I asked for interest on design-team@ and didn't get any interest.
04:57:51 <quaid> that means making something up ourselves ...
05:00:38 <rrix> quaid: what needs to be done?
05:08:56 <adimania> Now we need someone good with  image processing tools like krita or gimp
05:09:08 <quaid> or inkscape,my personal choice
05:09:28 <quaid> I think I could do a poster that was informative, but not pretty :)
05:09:38 <adimania> yeah.. vectored images will render well.
05:09:47 <quaid> s/I could/we could/
05:10:01 <quaid> just so it's clear I'm not working on that tonight :)
05:11:09 <adimania> let me check if guys at my LUG can do it for us. Do we have a logo yet?
05:12:14 <adimania> rrix: ping
05:12:19 <rrix> pong
05:13:09 <adimania> are you good with krita/gimp/inkscape?
05:13:32 <rrix> I'm fairly sufficient with all of them.
05:13:46 <rrix> I'm not an artist, but I can do posters if needed :)
05:13:47 <adimania> can you do a flyer/poster for us?
05:14:49 <adimania> That would be really very nice if you can produce some flyers/posters.
05:14:59 <rrix> yup
05:15:12 <rrix> what do we want on it? quaid?
05:15:18 <rrix> a big picture of quaid.
05:15:23 <adimania> :)
05:16:21 <rrix> http://www.motifake.com/the-plague-plague-bubonic-sucked-understatement-demotivational-poster-92666.html ?
05:17:52 <adimania> Oh my god! please don't draw that!
05:18:07 <adimania> :D
05:18:29 <rrix> :)
05:18:35 * rrix is working on homework don't mind him
05:18:44 <rrix> needed a visual for "understatement" :D
05:28:09 <rrix> http://rix.si/files/humor-project.pdf
05:32:47 <adimania> is this your homework? awesome!
05:33:15 <quaid> I doubt we need anything beyond Fedora's infinity logo and wordmark
05:34:03 <adimania> yeah, that will also do.
05:34:52 <rrix> quaid: think you can come up with some wordisms for the poster and throw it at the list? I can hack something nice-ish together in class while everyone finishes up that project they didn't do :)
05:43:02 <adimania> can't we get some ideas from GSoC flyers?
05:45:39 <adimania> check out Google Summer of Code flyers at http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/gsoc2010flyer_A4.pdf
15:01:59 <SeaOrifice> hello people
15:05:39 <SeaOrifice> anyone there ?
05:31:33 <adimania> hey rrix
05:31:56 <rrix> evening
05:32:12 <adimania> are you doing flyers?
05:32:42 <rrix> I haven't had the chance to, been dealing with personal things today
05:33:01 <adimania> okay. I am planning to make one just like the GSoC flyer.
05:34:02 <adimania> But I wonder how much stipend should I write?
05:34:51 <rrix> I think quaid had said the target was 5k
05:35:02 <adimania> quaid: rrix: What is out current status as far as sponsorship is concerned?
05:35:15 <rrix> that's quaid's baby, not me :)
05:36:18 <adimania> :D I'll right 5k with "conditions apply" statement.
05:36:28 <adimania> s/right/write
05:36:33 <rrix> heh, awesome
05:37:34 <adimania> maybe we can ask ambassadors to spread the word and conduct some sort of info session.
05:57:00 * rrix nods
07:06:05 <adimania> hey quaid, rrix
07:49:25 <adimania> hey jreznik
07:49:38 <jreznik> adimania: hi
07:50:02 <adimania> you got the posters and/or flyers done from the artwork team?
07:56:58 <jreznik> adimania: not yet, I try to ping them again
07:57:40 <jreznik> I would do it by I'm really busy with Openmobility conference this week
07:57:58 <adimania> I have made a poster. It is not that great but can do for a while.
07:58:00 <jreznik> I did tens posters, badges, buttons and I'm really tired :D
07:58:39 <adimania> I was wondering if someone can check it out and comment.
07:59:35 <adimania> if you can then can mail it to you.
07:59:49 <adimania> I can mail it to you
08:04:14 <jreznik> adimania: ok, jreznik@redhat.com
08:06:53 <adimania> sent. :)
08:11:54 <jreznik> adimania: ok, it could be topic for todays meeting
14:02:14 <aksh> hello people
14:02:53 <adimania> hi aksh
14:04:23 <aksh> hi, is this channel always silent ?
14:04:48 <jreznik> aksh: most time it is :)
14:04:55 <adimania> people answer if you ask them a question :)
14:05:23 <aksh> ok
14:06:00 <aksh> Anyone here who has participated in this before ?
14:06:18 <aksh> I had only heard of GSoC before
14:11:49 <adimania> aksh: I think this is the first time fedora is having such event.
14:12:53 <aksh> oh
14:13:02 <aksh> I would like to be a part of it
14:13:15 <aksh> BTw, m a student
14:14:16 <felipevieira> !timeline
14:15:06 <jreznik> first time
14:15:18 <felipevieira> yes
14:16:36 <aksh> hmm supybot
14:45:04 <quaid> .pingall SIG meeting at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting
14:45:05 <zodbot> SIG meeting at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting
14:45:07 <zodbot> abadger1999 adimania aksh cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore dorileo foss_bot gwerra itamarjp2 jdk2588 jreznik mbuf mchua pilhuhn pwbarnes quaid rossand rrix sankarshan_away skbohra zodbot
14:45:09 <zodbot> SIG meeting at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting
14:49:14 <skbohra> thanks
14:49:50 <aksh> that means 10 minutes to go :)
14:51:11 <quaid> I only have a few minutes to meet today, but I can pass the meeting when I go if others want to continue
14:54:15 <pilhuhn> I got an email
14:54:16 <pilhuhn> Sir,
14:54:16 <pilhuhn> I want to know that can we still apply for your Project?
14:54:17 <pilhuhn> Thank you
14:54:34 <pilhuhn> (with subject fedora summer project)
14:55:02 <pilhuhn> What do I do with that?. No mentioning of RHQ project or any other one, never heard of that person?
14:58:21 <quaid> welcome to summer coding
14:58:35 <quaid> well, we are asking people to discuss with mentors on-list
14:58:46 <quaid> so you all don't get inundated with repeate questions in private email.
15:00:03 <quaid> I recommend you i) point at the schedule, and ii) ask the sender to join the list to ask any questions about the project
15:01:02 <pilhuhn> k
16:03:12 <rohan> hi rrix .. around? :)
16:09:21 <rrix> I am, yup
16:09:32 <rrix> Just got here though, gimme a few minutes to make coffee
16:09:43 <rohan> sure :)
17:11:17 <rohan> rrix: i will get back in an hour or two.. hope to catch you then :)
17:11:23 <rrix> I'll be here
17:11:31 <rrix> oh, okay bye
17:11:45 <rrix> oh, I see what happened
17:11:47 <rrix> crap!
17:11:50 * rrix headdesks
17:11:55 <rrix> I am so bad about that :|
00:42:44 <nb> is there really a meeting going on? i think zodbot has been thinking htere is for a while
00:43:12 <rrix> wah?
00:43:18 <rrix> #endmeeting
00:43:24 * rrix blinks
00:43:39 <nb> #addchair nb freenode #fedora-summer-coding
00:43:43 <nb> #endmeeting
00:43:45 <rrix> oh, I'm not chaired
00:44:08 <nb> #addchair #fedora-summer-coding freenode nb
00:44:12 <nb> #endmeeting
00:44:26 <rrix> hehehe
00:44:30 <nb> oh
00:44:33 <nb> .addchair #fedora-summer-coding freenode nb
00:44:33 <zodbot> nb: Chair added: nb on (#fedora-summer-coding, freenode).
00:44:36 <nb> #endmeeting