13:39:38 #startmeeting 13:39:38 Meeting started Tue Apr 6 13:39:38 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:39:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:39:41 #chair quaid 13:39:42 Current chairs: mchua quaid 13:39:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule 13:40:04 #info Goal: get a schedule figured out - apply the summer coding model against the calendar 13:41:02 like that 13:41:03 quaid: Ok - what's the most helpful thing I can do here? I was going to put myself into question-asking mode by default, and start going sequentially though the groups that need info, starting with profs/admins/people-at-schools-that-aren't-students. 13:42:23 well, I think you can do something like that at any time, and then go ahead and put the answers right in the slot. 13:42:52 I fgiured the two of us olluding on the calnedar wouldbe the best thing for togetherness 13:42:58 and might give something to say to Unis 13:43:39 quaid: Ok. Where do you want to start? 13:44:16 In my mind, from the perspective of caring about students/schools, the most important thing to set is (1) when do students need to apply by? and (2) when will they hear yes/no by? 13:44:26 (1) implies that we know exactly what we want from them by that date, too. 13:46:15 yes 13:47:01 first then we need is a list of deliverables, what-whome 13:47:13 stack 'em up and start applying dates 13:47:18 right? 13:48:28 quaid: Righto. First deliverable I can think of, studentwise, is the actual application. 13:48:48 quaid: I'm biased since I wrote much of it, but I rather like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Student_application_template - though I'm sure there's a Fedora one somewhere I'm not finding a link to at the moment... 13:48:49 * quaid starts piling in to gobby 13:48:54 Oh! Yeah, good call. 13:48:58 * mchua fires up the gobby 13:49:25 quaid: which doc? 13:49:33 #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Student_application_template 13:49:39 FSC2010_deliverables 13:51:30 quaid: One moment, I've got to switch to mobile broadband, may have slight lag. 13:54:09 k 13:58:48 mchua: let's chat in channel and write in the document, k? 13:59:31 * mchua nods 13:59:41 (actually, the final deliverable I think should be a report - no code functionality should be required, though in 99.999% of cases that's going to happen; this is the way we ran engineering capstone projects at Olin, because sometimes projects explode, but students who do good work should Still Get Credit. If they don't code, they have nothing to write the report about - but saying "you owe us a report" allays a *lot* of panic about 13:59:48 (to dump my comments in here) 13:59:54 so, GSoC has required (iirc): 13:59:57 * code 14:00:10 * whatever reporting the mentoring proj. things is appropriate 14:00:20 * student review of org and program 14:00:48 for example, they like to count the LOC produced over time by GSoC 14:01:00 and to "have" a snapshot of all the end of summer code 14:01:33 why not just caveat that the code doesn't have to be complete, it just needs to be where it can be accessed by summer's end. 14:01:35 ok, "snapshot of code produced" is fair, I think 14:01:36 * mchua nods 14:01:39 I agree with that 14:01:55 yeah, gsoc specifies that working code isn't a requirement 14:01:59 I just don't want students having to promise functionality that we may not be able to hold them to at summer's end for reasons beyond their control 14:02:03 * mchua nods 14:02:05 that worksforme. 14:02:56 * mchua has been in the student shoes for this done both ways, and it's *really* scary if it's not *completely* clear that you control your evaluation (that random tech things other people do won't suddenly totally mess with your ability to pay rent for the summer) 14:03:05 so I may be a little... over-touch about that. 14:03:08 * Agree, in principle, to work with student and mentor by sending email to summer-coding-discuss (need to define what "agree in principle" means) 14:03:20 what are you trying to define in there? 14:06:28 When you added "by sending email..." it workedforme. 14:06:34 That was exactly it. 14:07:42 ok, just checking :) 14:07:59 yeah, we want to include the method of delivery 14:11:58 * mchua is pretty much petered out on deliverable idaes at this point. 14:13:39 yep 14:13:52 we can look at the swimchart to see what we miss 14:14:00 but right now, shall we date the beasts? 14:14:21 * quaid pastes in some calendars 14:15:10 mchua: how can we give a yes/no by 4/15? 14:15:19 we may want to have 2 cycles, early bird and latecomer. 14:15:24 Oh, not this year. 14:15:32 ok, let's do this yea 14:16:42 I just worry that the good studnets already have internships - because they plan ahead - and they *do* have internships by now. 14:17:04 no, they don't 14:17:16 because all the good students don't go to schools that get them internships 14:17:38 and, heck, bad students an apply too :) 14:18:13 so if we can tell students who care by tomorrow the schedule, that helps 14:18:26 I'll note that GSoC for the first several years was on this late of a schedule. 14:18:54 and only moved to the current, earlier schedule in response to giving students time to meet and greet before they disappeared in to exams. 14:20:05 I'll also note that - anecdotal, but - I do have friends who *didn't* apply to GSoC because it was such a late notification, or stressed out abuot GSoC apps because they were finding out so late. 14:20:17 But this shouldn't block us on moving forward, and I defer. :) 14:21:43 sure, and next year if we want to start before the calendar year ends ... as we tried this year ... then good. 14:22:24 yup. 14:22:32 shall we try to work it backwards from a "students learn yes/no"? 14:23:10 when is the earliest in May that exams begin? 14:23:21 May 1st is not a bad date to asume. 14:23:26 er, assume. 14:23:35 I would like to know, by March 1st, what I'm doing for the summer. 14:23:49 That way I can relax during spring break instead of calling companies. ;) 14:23:59 And I can make vacation plans with family, find a sublet, etc. 14:24:25 ok, Friday 30 April 14:24:43 * quaid goes camping that day for the weekend so wouldn't mind knowing all was clear, too 14:26:06 working back... how long do we need to tell projects how many slots they got? 14:26:42 hmm 14:26:58 it's not really by slot but by proposal, right? 14:27:27 but, yes, we do need to inform the world how much we are funding, i.e.,how many apps we'll be accepting. 14:28:17 Well, my understanding is that the way students find out they're in 14:28:25 is that mentor orgs have a rank-ordered list of what they'd like to fund 14:28:34 and then we say "you, o project, have N slots" 14:28:41 hmmm 14:28:42 and they then go tell the top N students "you have a job" 14:28:56 yes, but that's the model where we aren't in control of the sponsor 14:29:09 that is, where our decisions are done 14:29:20 in competition with other entities. 14:29:51 in our case, ($ pledged)/N == # of applications we can accept 14:30:09 currently, I reckon N = 10 or 5 14:30:22 ? 14:30:26 also, some stuff is earmarked so can't be in the pool but runs the same process. 14:30:44 ok, what I mean is this: 14:31:02 the model where you rank students then tell top N presumes that we don't know until after we've ranked what our student slot count is 14:31:19 in our case, we'll know the max count as we are ranking proposals 14:31:30 Then I'd say "mentor orgs have a rank-ordered list, sponsors need to tell mentor orgs "I, specific sponsor, give you, specific mentor org, $X to fund these projects" by $foo_date. 14:31:53 yep, that deliverable is in there for 22 April 14:32:12 * mchua looks at gobby. d'oh. 14:33:42 quaid: how about work start/end dates? 14:33:50 or are those flexible, we just specify "you must work N weeks?" 14:35:03 flexible but should be baked in to proposal 14:35:56 +1 - it opens us up to being able to say "and we can take apps year-round" and have this as a cyclical co-op like deal after the summer, if it goes well. 14:36:24 * mchua does rather like the RIT-ish quarterly co-op model, though that's for Way Later 14:36:35 not all countries have the same summer. 14:37:02 ok, I'm populating a student app page ... 14:37:45 * mchua needs to run up a hill and get better wifi real quick, will be back to look at that in ~5m) 14:49:03 * mchua back, looking 14:51:05 ooh, talk pages for discussion about proposals 14:51:16 that's a nice way to keep it with the proposal and not flood the list 14:51:16 quaid: actually, uh.. where am I looking? 14:52:11 sorry 14:52:14 I am working on the application 14:52:16 * mchua nods 14:52:17 1 se 14:52:21 what can I do to help? 14:52:26 * mchua hasn't been uber-useful so far 14:52:42 * mchua is, however, on a college campus full of students + profs (including jadudm) and can /query if input needed 14:53:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_application 14:53:19 * quaid edits again 14:53:41 eh, enough with self-deprecation, we are nearly scheduled, that's an accomplishment :) 14:54:07 we can't really sanity check the dates, if they are the best we an do 14:54:11 s/we an/we can/ 14:55:03 * mchua nods :) 14:55:32 I'll probably be making a screencast or a screenshot walkthrough on how to apply, once the app's stable. 14:55:42 Ah, so you did like the sugar labs template. :) 14:56:37 http://groups.google.com/group/redhat-summer/web/gsoc-getting-started 14:56:46 oh, yeah, def. good template 15:03:29 * quaid doing his blog post about ideas 15:22:29 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule is updated 15:22:44 email to dev@ sent 15:23:04 * quaid goes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_plan#Sub-projects_-_how 16:00:58 mchua: can we get jadud's idea on the idea page? 16:03:33 quaid: where wha? 16:03:48 * mchua is running around classroom now, back in ~20-25m when class is over 16:17:23 mchua: yesterday I heard that Matt has some money to fund an idea that we can run through Fedora Summer Coding 16:17:40 I say, let's get the idea on the page and note that it has an "additional" funding source 16:48:36 quaid: Yep. I don't know exactly what the idea is, though - do you have Matt's email? He'd be able to tell yo. 16:48:40 (I agree, though.) 20:26:22 did anyone see the analysis of rubysoc fro dash123 on the list? 20:33:59 * quaid checks ye ol' archives 20:34:04 .fsa dash123 20:34:08 .fas 20:34:09 quaid: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 20:34:12 .fas dash123 20:34:13 quaid: 'dash123' Not Found! 20:34:24 * quaid has fatfingersyndrome 20:35:25 quaid: you can borrow a few of mine if you need to 20:36:46 I think I have too many as it is 20:36:58 .seen dash123 20:36:58 quaid: dash123 was last seen in #fedora-summer-coding 1 day, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: quaid: Here is the comparison with Rubysoc and JSOP: http://fpaste.org/FDFr/ Any points missing? If not then I'll post it to the Mailing List. 20:40:57 * quaid posts to the list 13:58:49 .pingall meeting in 1 minute #fedora-meeting 13:58:49 meeting in 1 minute #fedora-meeting 13:58:51 cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore dorileo maploin mchua pwbarnes quaid rrix rvokal sankarshan zodbot 13:58:52 meeting in 1 minute #fedora-meeting 14:59:37 .pingall Sorry, I started meeting an hour early, we're continuing for another hour in #fedora-meeting 14:59:38 Sorry, I started meeting an hour early, we're continuing for another hour in #fedora-meeting 14:59:40 cdeslandes ChanServ dgilmore dorileo jdk2588 maploin mchua pwbarnes quaid rrix rvokal sankarshan_away zodbot 14:59:42 Sorry, I started meeting an hour early, we're continuing for another hour in #fedora-meeting 16:19:19 oh, sorry 17:05:42 * quaid gets to working on tasks now 17:06:08 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-07/fedora-meeting.2010-04-07-14.02.html 17:35:23 sweet 17:35:27 got my changes in for FWN 220 17:35:35 including the new 14 April deadline 17:40:06 * quaid includes a section at the top for students 17:40:09 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/FSC 20:36:06 * quaid working through today's actions 20:36:09 bbiab 23:59:35 quaid: I think I may have had action items from this morning, but I am... not sure which ones they were, or which remain. 23:59:38 What can I do to help? 23:59:44 I have momentum at the moment, in case it's useful. 00:02:29 ok then! 00:02:34 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-07/fedora-meeting.2010-04-07-14.02.html 00:02:43 I am at ... 00:02:55 ooh, perfect 00:02:59 3. w 00:03:00 ? 00:03:03 # ACTION: Create new "You are an academic" section for [[Summer Coding 2010]] based on new messaging (quaid, 15:15:43) 00:03:03 Uh... 00:03:06 Ah! 00:03:21 yeah, I am just about there, if you can grab that 00:03:34 and add a section to [[Summer Coding 2010 plan]] with a what and how section 00:03:46 how is really important, it really helps to have a checklist when we have a message to pass out :) 00:04:54 lemme see what I can slap up, gimme 10-15 00:05:01 and I'll have a rough for comments 00:05:43 quaid: wait, do you want this added in the sponsors section, or a completely separate? 00:06:08 I think separate 00:06:11 and cross-reference 00:06:36 see, this is part of the summer coding model that Google hasn't been doing. 00:06:47 Ok. /me throws stuff up! 00:08:33 * quaid turns on "like K'naan" radio 00:21:24 quaid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_plan#Academics 00:21:39 quaid: rough and stubby, but is it headed in the right direction? I didn't phrase things very cleanly, may need to reword 00:29:03 * quaid reading 00:34:56 so 00:35:11 is there any chance that academic _resources_ can be scared up? 00:35:44 room, board, stipend, organizational help 00:35:56 or is that "next year"? 00:37:24 quaid: Definitely next year, but I think it's worth asking for this year and have next year as a fallback 00:37:39 quaid: as in, "we have specific list of XYZ can you provide? oh, that's ok, we understand... next year?" 00:40:23 ok, let's put that in, too, right? 00:41:04 * quaid adds opensource.com/education to the list 00:41:05 of how 00:41:35 oh! yes! 00:41:44 * mchua adds to "what" 00:42:35 * mchua done 00:44:34 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_step-by-step_for_students 00:44:40 in step 5 ... 00:44:45 ok, so 00:44:53 students write an application and make a proposal 00:44:58 are those one page or two? 00:45:06 on the wiki 00:45:45 I like the idea of using the talk page to discuss the proposals 00:58:54 argh! 00:59:02 I'm torn and can't decide! 01:12:37 I'm thinking 01:12:46 of changing the application sample page to a proposal page 01:12:57 and that the category and all be a "proposal" 01:13:04 and drop the "application" idea 01:13:10 they are too similar and confusing 01:22:10 quaid: will all students submit one and only one proposal? 01:22:40 quaid: I could imagine a student app that's just a few questions - name, irc nick, email, school, etc - and then links to the proposals that the student's working on 01:22:51 because i could also see proposals being written by, say, potential mentors. 01:23:43 ok 01:23:46 I see that too 01:23:52 what about we do the transclusion trick 01:24:02 * quaid looks at it 01:25:32 ...do we expect all student applicants to grok wiki transclusion to apply? 01:25:35 * mchua hopes not 01:31:44 ok, that works 01:31:52 oh, we have a step-by-step 01:31:56 just like I did for mentors 01:32:03 I don't expect _anyone_ to grok transclusion :) 02:03:05 wow, ok 02:03:09 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_step-by-step_for_students 02:03:13 more complex! 02:03:22 like coding tests, barriers to entry :) 02:43:10 what is the timeline for SoC ?? 02:43:32 quaid: ^^ 02:43:47 jdk2588: We were just discussing deadlines - they're on a page somewhere. I'll see if I can find it. 02:44:30 jdk2588: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_schedule - although I don't know how final this is (may be 100% final, may be basically final pending a +1 from... somebody or some list - quaid would know.) 02:45:13 thanks mchua , i just check this 03:32:30 that's the schedule we've got right now 03:32:38 tweaks if it needs it but should be good to rely upon 03:32:49 join the summer-coding-discuss list to hear about updates 04:16:10 quaid, anything i can do to lend a hand? 08:50:25 quaid: are there any flyers(I don't know what they call the e-mail equivalent of that), which I can distribute in my university's internal mailing list? 08:51:43 s/distribute/post 12:32:48 quaid 15:18:10 itamarjp: hola 20:31:01 http://iquaid.org/2010/04/08/students-you-are-invited-to-submit-proposals-for-fedora-summer-coding-2010/ 20:31:11 out to announce, s-c-discuss et al 21:25:11 omg they have formed like one!!! 21:27:14 ok, now that I've have fired most of my missles for the day 21:27:51 I am going to run errands for 1+ hours 21:27:53 in a few minutes 21:29:37 quaid: can I tell you how impressed I am watching all of this come together? :) 21:33:25 iz nutz :) 21:33:48 the hard part is getting it all laid out so anyone can help 21:34:29 quaid: if you need any help on scaffolding ping me whenever :) 01:52:00 Hey, so I'm not sure what should go on the main page that's not already on the shortinfo page. 01:52:04 Anyone fill me in? 01:52:39 abadger1999: I think Notes: should go more in depth as to what is to be expected etc 01:52:47 see my overtly verbose KDE Netbook idea 01:52:56 Probably *too* verbose 01:52:59 rrix: What's the difference between notes on shortinfo and the main page? 01:53:01 :-) 01:53:30 More notes, I guess? quaid should probably clear that up. I took the hint from the RHQ one that Notes: is the difference between the two 01:54:53 rrix: heh -- now, the RHQ main page matches the shortinfo page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_RHQ 01:55:08 does it? 01:55:10 :( 01:55:25 oh quaidfriend, hallllp :D 01:55:26 rrix: Your KDE page was the only one that seemed to present something different on the main page :-) 01:55:45 at /some/ point they were different, or I took it upon myself, idk :) 01:55:54 'tis the same 01:55:55 huh 01:56:39 well, it's always been the same according to history 01:56:43 * rrix crawls into a ball 01:56:44 huh. 01:57:01 rrix: It must be a mediawiki bug ;-) not saving all the history 01:57:07 :D YES 01:57:14 Not My Fault ™ 02:19:35 quaid: hey, ping me when you get in about what I should put o nthe Project main pages. 02:19:49 abadger1999: hola 02:19:54 Oh hey! 02:20:33 quaid: So here's what I have: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_PackageDB_Enhancements 02:20:47 quaid: and for Coprs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_ideas_-_Copr 02:21:16 coo 02:22:03 just create two new sections on the [[Category:S_C_ideas]] page 02:22:10 then transclude the shortinfo 02:22:20 sorry if the instructions are convoluted 02:22:41 quaid: I did that. 02:22:46 also, join the discuss list so we can talk w/ $whoever 02:22:48 ok 02:22:53 quaid: But I was wondering what more needs to go on the mainpage. 02:23:13 quaid: Since the mainpage template nad the shortinfo template seem to be the same. 02:23:15 [[S_C_2010]]? 02:23:25 * abadger1999 checks 02:23:28 oic 02:23:43 well, yeah, they are a bit the same -- you can expand on it or whatever 02:24:02 Okay... Treat it as freeform okay too? 02:24:07 sure! 02:24:33 * quaid should make the template more clear 02:25:18 quaid: What type of information do you think people would want there? 02:25:36 Coprs has an overview page for itself: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Copr 02:26:16 packagedbDB has a potential TODO list for 0.6.x https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/wiki/ToDo 02:26:27 Not sure if either of those is what's being looked for or not. 02:26:53 ok, I was thinking about the "how much work" earlier ... 02:27:42 I'm a bit unclear on what Google thinks the economics are, but their program runs 8 or so weeks 02:28:17 so that's about 320 hours if full time 02:28:31 and if that's $5000, that's $15.63 an hour 02:30:33 anyway, it occurs to me that we might want to think in terms of what can be accomplished in about 250 hours, which is about 6 weeks 02:30:59 Ah , they're salaried so it's 640 hours ;-) 02:31:12 heh 02:31:30 well, yes, it is a salary, but I'm trying to see how it stands up againsta $summer_job 02:33:32 quaid: So we're thinking 250hours/6 weeks because that's the time we have in the summer or the money we're going to spent per student? 02:34:53 also: The Fedora Summer Coding work period is 11 weeks long, May 24 - August 9 02:35:09 From here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application 02:40:05 bbiab; ping if you want me 02:57:42 abadger1999: I was trying to figure out the best-case of what we can pay students and what way to view it 03:32:16 Also depends on the employment/tax situation, since taxes can take a good hunk of your paycheck. 03:33:00 If you're on the payroll as a "contractor," then taxes are... ouch. OLPC paid $500/wk for interns (in Boston, which is expensive) - which seems like plenty until you realize that a hefty chunk of that goes into taxes. 03:33:41 Not sure how the tax/legal thing works out for this sort of stuff, honestly - just remember getting blindsided by it one year as an intern myself and being able to save way less than I'd planned. 04:32:34 hello all 04:35:55 hello 04:53:06 im from Mongolia 04:53:24 and im still searching mentors 04:53:37 i don't wich is better for me :( 04:54:43 sorry for ma bad English 04:55:08 i don't know which project is better for me 04:58:02 i just know following stuffs these are: java, C, C++ and python 05:02:25 abadger1999: freefile really needs silverlight? Ouch 05:17:43 sharavasambuu: two things. Availabaility of mentor. Second Avilability of idea. usually "idea" is the bottleneck. So look around...try openhatch.org for projects that match your skills. Browse around fedorahosted.org for projects of interest 05:18:25 if you have a good idea, guys here will find you the right mentor. 06:11:09 rrix: Yep. hate hate hate 06:11:50 How ridiculous... Wasn't the administration not six months ago pushing to drop flash even for freely available formats? 06:13:10 It must be MS's "we're open source" fud paying off. 06:13:51 Look, novel's shipping moonlight and we're not suing them! 06:14:13 The sad thing is that it works, I'd say, given reactions even within the FOSS community :/ 06:14:34 06:14:38 Has debian also forbid moonlight, out of curiousity 06:14:40 ? 06:18:39 Looks like they do 06:18:52 http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Moonlight 06:19:21 Says out of date but the legal issues below say they've been worked through. 06:19:46 Err... Looks like they do ship it. 06:23:44 interesting 06:24:05 They ship it... but the multimedia crap is either binary-m$ stuff, or libavcodec 06:24:44 * rrix shrugs 15:03:09 * jreznik has just sent fsc "spam"/info mail to brno red hat people responsible for students jobs 15:03:25 few people are interested in as mentors/project ideas 15:49:43 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_comment_on_Summer_Coding_2010_proposals 15:49:53 thx mchua and sugarlabs.org for the idea :) 17:15:44 hi, is the schedule for this year's FSC set in stone? I'm a student in Romania and school here doesn't end until July. 17:16:43 Is it possible to have it tweaked? 17:18:35 quaid: ^ 18:02:55 quaid may be afk. 18:03:30 maploin: If you're still around - sorry about the delay, I'm in a few meetings at the moment. The schedule for the summer is set for what it is, I believe, but accommodating schools with different schedules has been high on our list. 18:03:40 I'd say it's worth asking about on the mailing list. 18:03:54 The worst case scenario is that we go "okay, well, maybe we can't do that this year, but we need to fix it so that it will work out for you next year." 18:04:01 And you'll have improved the program for a lot of people in your position. 18:04:25 I know we've talked about the possibility of extending this to cover time periods outside of June-Aug, so it's not too far out of the question, imo. 18:08:17 mchua, thanks. I'm just testing the waters here. It would be a lot more comfortable for me to not have to juggle school and FSC 18:08:23 so I'll email the list 18:10:57 * mchua nods 18:11:00 Great - thanks! 18:11:04 I hope it works out. 18:51:36 Wiki-gardening query: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode 18:51:49 The big link at the top of the page that says "Fedora Summer Coding 2010 is underway" but links to a blank page. 18:51:56 Should that... go somewhere? 18:52:03 * mchua attempts to guess at a fix, one sec 18:53:23 * mchua redirected to [[Summer Coding 2010]] 19:39:19 mchua_afk, quaid: I'm not sure how much leeway/whatnot there is in the schedule, but having worked with maploin last year, I'd be happy to accommodate his schedule if I mentor the project he works on. 21:02:26 quaid: j0 21:02:38 er, a ping is probably better :) 15:26:28 abadger1999: we have leeway with the schedule, I should say 15:26:42 quaid: Excellent. 15:26:44 we picked something to run with, but a proposal can include an alternate schedule, IMO 15:26:51 rrix: 'sup! 15:26:55 rrix: pong of course 15:28:02 yeah, I'd rather bend around like crazy a bit this year, and if we _learn_ something needs setting in stone, then do that :) 15:50:26 maploin: Hey, quaid Just mentioned that alternative schedule can be included as part of the proposal and if a mentor will still pick up the proposal it's fine. 15:50:49 wow, awesome then 15:51:12 that is, if you agree with it :) 15:51:34 Yep, I'm definitely willing to work with the schedule you need :-) 15:55:40 thank you very much 16:35:57 yeah, one of the problems I'd like to see us solve is where the SoC schedule never lined up with some peole's schools 16:36:06 the other is the "Summer in the South" problem :) 17:26:43 17:33:13 quaid: oh, yeah, is it okay if jreznik and I have prospective mentors talk to us before submitting an application? We were talking last(?) night about the KDE Netbook Spin FSC project, and since communication really is the _key_ to this fsc project, we'd like them to come talk to us first so we can help them write a better proposal 17:38:55 * rrix bbl touring his future dorm 18:26:35 hello guys 18:26:44 can I submit my proposal for GSOC ? 02:42:45 ls 02:45:40 beameruserguide.pdf bin dotfiles grade_scripts.tar.gz misc ONYAG.jpg passwd 02:45:43 programming restore-ssh.py root rpmbuild uzbl_download uzbl.spec yumdep.py 03:27:41 hi rrix 03:28:38 I want to talk about Kde Netbook Remix, if you have a minute 03:28:52 hi adimania, how are you? 03:29:15 I am good :) 03:29:23 Thanks. how are you? 03:29:28 Not too bad :) 03:30:01 yeah, saw at fedora-kde that you had a bad day. 03:30:20 heh, it's getting better, steadily :) 03:31:27 Well what I wanted to talk about is that I have remastered fedora before, adding packages to improve usability for beginners. 03:31:36 awesome :) 03:31:51 I am interested in applying for Netbook remix 03:32:21 The big thing, probably the most important thing is that a lot of the work is going to have to be done in heavy communcation with the KDE SIG, upstream, and FESCo, which is why jreznik and I want the chance to talk to possible mentorees 03:32:46 I'm excited to see so many people interested in the project :) 03:32:47 rrix: netbook remix involves package splitting? 03:32:51 mathstuf: yup 03:33:09 adimania: this is mathstuf, unfortunate enough to have to deal with me in the SIG on occaision ;) 03:33:30 Although I haven't ever stripped down the distro but I think I can do it. Hi mathstuf :) 03:33:30 adimania: do you have any experience in packaging? 03:34:30 A packaged .deb a couple of years ago. Didn't do anything because of workload lately. 03:34:38 ahh okay 03:34:59 I guess rpm can be packaged in same way. 03:35:15 a spec file and all that stuff 03:35:41 I think the biggest portion of this project will be packaging work, splitting them primarily, which is decidedly a little more complicated than putting them together. Figuring out dependancies is the hardest thing about it, probably. 03:36:05 but you have packaging experience, which is a good thing 03:36:08 yeah 03:36:18 finding out what reqs go with what is the painful part 03:36:34 yes, that is the first thing I thought of. adding stuff is easy, stripping is difficult. 03:36:55 and figuring out something to do so that the distro doesn't break when the split packages end up in Fedora updates 03:36:57 kdeedu will be the worst imo 03:37:29 yup yup 03:38:02 But this will an awesome project to spend my summer vacation. 03:38:08 adimania: do you have any current invovlemtn in Fedora/ 03:38:12 involvement, too* 03:38:43 step, akonadi, rocs, cantor 03:38:58