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19:10:36 <quaid> #topic Step-by-step for mentors
19:11:05 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010#Step-by-step_for_mentors
19:11:14 <quaid> jlaska: ok, just getting the note taking ready :)
19:11:35 * jlaska clicks
19:12:43 <jlaska> I see a red link to create a new wiki page there, is that expected?
19:13:07 * quaid points at the part where he said there isn't yet a step-by-step :)
19:13:20 <quaid> since it seems we are about to cover some of that, I thought I'd start logging
19:13:59 <jlaska> quaid: ah sorry, juggling a few things here ... I missed that
19:14:28 <quaid> np
19:14:35 * quaid bites his snarky typing fist
19:14:47 <quaid> anyway, it's a mess of words all of those pages :/
19:15:23 <quaid> here, let me throw out a bit of a list and see where it takes us -- I'll do a quick dump, you read, ask questions, and we'll add/amend
19:15:48 <jlaska> okay
19:15:53 <quaid> == Step-by-step for mentors ==
19:16:09 <quaid> 1. You either have one or more ideas, or you want to assist generally with mentoring students.
19:17:04 <quaid> 1.1 If you are generally interested, join the discussion list, introduce yourself, and offer to mentor.  You have to decide if you want to be a full-time mentor for a student, or one of the presiding mentors who read applications, guide students and mentors, and so forth.
19:17:25 <quaid> 2. If you have an idea, you need to make an idea page for it [INSERT LINK TO HOW TO]
19:17:50 <quaid> jlaska: so, yes, these idea pages are candidate pages for students
19:17:59 * jlaska nods
19:18:20 * quaid grabbing power, one moment
19:21:15 <quaid> ah, better
19:22:07 <quaid> 3. Once an idea page is up, including being part of [[Summer Coding 2010 ideas]] and you joining the discussion list, there are several directions you can go.
19:22:34 <quaid> 3.1 You can sit with the idea and respond to queries on list or in IRC.
19:23:35 <quaid> 2.1 When thinking about your idea, consider how to get the student personally invested -- the more they can make the ideas their own, the more they tend to get and give to the project. Cf. coding to a hard specification.
19:23:44 <quaid> [ABOVE INSERTED IN PREVIOUS STEP]
19:23:52 <jlaska> roger
19:24:22 <quaid> 3.2 You can do some publicity about your idea - blog post, FWN post, email to various lists, talk to students, IRC, etc.
19:26:17 <quaid> which reminds me, I need to take a second and finish the FSC beat for FWN
19:47:00 <quaid> ok, back
19:47:37 <quaid> 3.3 You can go all the way and help organize publicity - via universities, posters, etc.
19:48:13 <quaid> 4. When questions come up, try to direct them to the list, and answer them there.  The idea is to be transparent and reduce duplicate work
19:48:26 <quaid> 5. Add to the [[Summer Coding 2010 FAQ]] as often as you need, reference even more.
19:49:33 <quaid> 6. Work with students on their proposals.  You'll want to use the procedure for commenting [INSERT LINK] and invite other mentors (via the discussion list) to discuss the proposal on the talk page)
19:49:47 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_comment_on_Summer_Coding_2010_proposals
19:50:24 <quaid> 7. If you have questions about any of that, bring it to the discussion list.  If it is a private matter, reach out to any of the experienced mentors
19:50:34 <quaid> #task quaid to make a page that list who are the actual mentors
19:51:14 <quaid> #task quaid or someone to maintain the who-are-the-mentors page
19:51:27 * jlaska reads
19:51:34 * quaid adds a few more items
19:52:30 <jlaska> I see mention of mentors, howabut sponsors?
19:52:44 <quaid> 6.1 The goal is to help the student do the best proposal they can; this is an exploration and research phased; conduct a code test [INSERT LINK] + see how the personality fit works - be sure you apply all of these equally and fairly to all who want to propoe.
19:52:57 <quaid> s/phased/phase/
19:53:17 <quaid> 6.2 If possible, the proposal that is turned in should not need any further work from that due date
19:53:37 <quaid> 6.3 It is possible that while mentors discuss proposals, they may want to request changes or ask questions of the proposals
19:54:03 <quaid> #task quaid to update student information pages that they MUST be available the days after proposals are due to answer mentor questions promptly
19:54:40 <quaid> 8. When all proposals are turned in, the private mentor list is populated with all the mentors who are proposed and not yet on that list, then discussions ensue.
19:54:48 <quaid> 8.1 Mentors decide which proposals get funded.
19:54:59 <quaid> 8.2 Admin team does tie-break where there is no consensus.
19:55:18 <quaid> 8.3 Ideally, mentors argue successfully on the merits of the proposal; all sub-projects are treated as equal.
19:55:24 <jlaska> aha
19:55:32 <quaid> 8.4 However, some funds may be earmarked for specific groups
19:56:09 <quaid> 8.4.1 e.g. RHT engineering in Brno have earmarked funds for two specific local schools, so they are trying to do that under our brand with funds earmarked for those students only
19:56:21 <jlaska> who is your contact for that?
19:56:23 <quaid> same probably with any funds from jboss.org
19:56:34 <quaid> no one on channel ...
19:56:38 <quaid> one sec
19:57:30 <quaid> yeah, they've been on list about it ...
19:57:39 <quaid> let me get the thread
19:58:43 <quaid> #info Radek Vokál and Jaroslav Reznik are PoC for Brno
19:58:55 <quaid> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/summer-coding/2010-March/000041.html
19:59:06 <quaid> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/summer-coding/2010-March/000042.html
19:59:15 <jlaska> cool, thanks
19:59:29 <quaid> I haven't heard from them about that in the last few weeks
19:59:35 <quaid> are you thinking of contacting them?
20:01:13 <jlaska> not yet, I was just curious
20:01:39 <jlaska> at this point, I'm just interested in the overall process before putting our ideas in the mix for consideration
20:01:53 <jlaska> need to make sure we have time to mentor properly
20:05:32 <quaid> word
20:05:59 <jlaska> I don't want to toss some ideas into the mix, and then not have time to provide feedback or champion them
20:06:30 <jlaska> is there a set number of projects that will be funded?
20:06:38 <jlaska> or does it all depend on the submissions
20:08:50 <quaid> ok, you asked about sponsoring ...
20:09:02 <quaid> <eof> on the step-by-step btw
20:09:39 <quaid> funding is the wildcard -- our team has pledged US$5K, and that's up to the mentors to split.
20:09:58 <quaid> it may be that we have a handful of strong proposals and choose to fund one, or two half-projects
20:10:10 <quaid> our team == Community Architecture at Red Hat
20:10:27 <quaid> we are asking around in other RHT departments, the Brno team is the best lead there
20:10:55 <quaid> otherwise for RHT help internally + ISV ecosystem, I'm working with folks internally on that for the Sep - Feb Summer in the South run
20:11:18 <quaid> so, that's one reason to take your ideas to the Brno people, they have funding it could go under :)
20:11:47 <quaid> I'm hitting up contacts, but this is pretty sort notice and we're not agile with businesses the way http://RubySOC.org can be.
20:12:09 <quaid> i.e., we don't have a tight ecosystem of businesses with money to spend directly in our FOSS side
20:12:25 <quaid> at least, not at this notice and level
20:12:41 <jlaska> so anywhere from $2.5K - $5K seems to be common for funding a project
20:12:44 <quaid> we need to get the word formalized and out to the Right People and I'm confident we'll get lots of interest.
20:12:49 <quaid> yes, that is right
20:13:12 <quaid> just to be helpful, I'm going to point to this FAQ entry :)
20:13:19 <quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_FAQ#How_much_is_the_student_stipend.3F
20:13:39 <quaid> I didn't write in anything about smaller bounties, because it's confusing
20:13:54 <quaid> hopefully we'll know before the proposals are due what the landscape looks like there.
20:14:23 <jlaska> thx for the link
20:25:45 <quaid> did you have any questions about the step-by-step stuff?
20:26:25 <jlaska> no .. I'm good for now
20:26:31 <jlaska> I'll absorb and come back with more questions if needed
20:26:39 <jlaska> thanks for the time Karsten :)
20:27:27 <quaid> np a'tall
20:27:32 <quaid> #endmeeting