19:10:28 #startmeeting 19:10:28 Meeting started Wed Apr 28 19:10:28 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:10:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:10:36 #topic Step-by-step for mentors 19:11:05 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010#Step-by-step_for_mentors 19:11:14 jlaska: ok, just getting the note taking ready :) 19:11:35 * jlaska clicks 19:12:43 I see a red link to create a new wiki page there, is that expected? 19:13:07 * quaid points at the part where he said there isn't yet a step-by-step :) 19:13:20 since it seems we are about to cover some of that, I thought I'd start logging 19:13:59 quaid: ah sorry, juggling a few things here ... I missed that 19:14:28 np 19:14:35 * quaid bites his snarky typing fist 19:14:47 anyway, it's a mess of words all of those pages :/ 19:15:23 here, let me throw out a bit of a list and see where it takes us -- I'll do a quick dump, you read, ask questions, and we'll add/amend 19:15:48 okay 19:15:53 == Step-by-step for mentors == 19:16:09 1. You either have one or more ideas, or you want to assist generally with mentoring students. 19:17:04 1.1 If you are generally interested, join the discussion list, introduce yourself, and offer to mentor. You have to decide if you want to be a full-time mentor for a student, or one of the presiding mentors who read applications, guide students and mentors, and so forth. 19:17:25 2. If you have an idea, you need to make an idea page for it [INSERT LINK TO HOW TO] 19:17:50 jlaska: so, yes, these idea pages are candidate pages for students 19:17:59 * jlaska nods 19:18:20 * quaid grabbing power, one moment 19:21:15 ah, better 19:22:07 3. Once an idea page is up, including being part of [[Summer Coding 2010 ideas]] and you joining the discussion list, there are several directions you can go. 19:22:34 3.1 You can sit with the idea and respond to queries on list or in IRC. 19:23:35 2.1 When thinking about your idea, consider how to get the student personally invested -- the more they can make the ideas their own, the more they tend to get and give to the project. Cf. coding to a hard specification. 19:23:44 [ABOVE INSERTED IN PREVIOUS STEP] 19:23:52 roger 19:24:22 3.2 You can do some publicity about your idea - blog post, FWN post, email to various lists, talk to students, IRC, etc. 19:26:17 which reminds me, I need to take a second and finish the FSC beat for FWN 19:47:00 ok, back 19:47:37 3.3 You can go all the way and help organize publicity - via universities, posters, etc. 19:48:13 4. When questions come up, try to direct them to the list, and answer them there. The idea is to be transparent and reduce duplicate work 19:48:26 5. Add to the [[Summer Coding 2010 FAQ]] as often as you need, reference even more. 19:49:33 6. Work with students on their proposals. You'll want to use the procedure for commenting [INSERT LINK] and invite other mentors (via the discussion list) to discuss the proposal on the talk page) 19:49:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_comment_on_Summer_Coding_2010_proposals 19:50:24 7. If you have questions about any of that, bring it to the discussion list. If it is a private matter, reach out to any of the experienced mentors 19:50:34 #task quaid to make a page that list who are the actual mentors 19:51:14 #task quaid or someone to maintain the who-are-the-mentors page 19:51:27 * jlaska reads 19:51:34 * quaid adds a few more items 19:52:30 I see mention of mentors, howabut sponsors? 19:52:44 6.1 The goal is to help the student do the best proposal they can; this is an exploration and research phased; conduct a code test [INSERT LINK] + see how the personality fit works - be sure you apply all of these equally and fairly to all who want to propoe. 19:52:57 s/phased/phase/ 19:53:17 6.2 If possible, the proposal that is turned in should not need any further work from that due date 19:53:37 6.3 It is possible that while mentors discuss proposals, they may want to request changes or ask questions of the proposals 19:54:03 #task quaid to update student information pages that they MUST be available the days after proposals are due to answer mentor questions promptly 19:54:40 8. When all proposals are turned in, the private mentor list is populated with all the mentors who are proposed and not yet on that list, then discussions ensue. 19:54:48 8.1 Mentors decide which proposals get funded. 19:54:59 8.2 Admin team does tie-break where there is no consensus. 19:55:18 8.3 Ideally, mentors argue successfully on the merits of the proposal; all sub-projects are treated as equal. 19:55:24 aha 19:55:32 8.4 However, some funds may be earmarked for specific groups 19:56:09 8.4.1 e.g. RHT engineering in Brno have earmarked funds for two specific local schools, so they are trying to do that under our brand with funds earmarked for those students only 19:56:21 who is your contact for that? 19:56:23 same probably with any funds from jboss.org 19:56:34 no one on channel ... 19:56:38 one sec 19:57:30 yeah, they've been on list about it ... 19:57:39 let me get the thread 19:58:43 #info Radek Vokál and Jaroslav Reznik are PoC for Brno 19:58:55 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/summer-coding/2010-March/000041.html 19:59:06 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/summer-coding/2010-March/000042.html 19:59:15 cool, thanks 19:59:29 I haven't heard from them about that in the last few weeks 19:59:35 are you thinking of contacting them? 20:01:13 not yet, I was just curious 20:01:39 at this point, I'm just interested in the overall process before putting our ideas in the mix for consideration 20:01:53 need to make sure we have time to mentor properly 20:05:32 word 20:05:59 I don't want to toss some ideas into the mix, and then not have time to provide feedback or champion them 20:06:30 is there a set number of projects that will be funded? 20:06:38 or does it all depend on the submissions 20:08:50 ok, you asked about sponsoring ... 20:09:02 on the step-by-step btw 20:09:39 funding is the wildcard -- our team has pledged US$5K, and that's up to the mentors to split. 20:09:58 it may be that we have a handful of strong proposals and choose to fund one, or two half-projects 20:10:10 our team == Community Architecture at Red Hat 20:10:27 we are asking around in other RHT departments, the Brno team is the best lead there 20:10:55 otherwise for RHT help internally + ISV ecosystem, I'm working with folks internally on that for the Sep - Feb Summer in the South run 20:11:18 so, that's one reason to take your ideas to the Brno people, they have funding it could go under :) 20:11:47 I'm hitting up contacts, but this is pretty sort notice and we're not agile with businesses the way http://RubySOC.org can be. 20:12:09 i.e., we don't have a tight ecosystem of businesses with money to spend directly in our FOSS side 20:12:25 at least, not at this notice and level 20:12:41 so anywhere from $2.5K - $5K seems to be common for funding a project 20:12:44 we need to get the word formalized and out to the Right People and I'm confident we'll get lots of interest. 20:12:49 yes, that is right 20:13:12 just to be helpful, I'm going to point to this FAQ entry :) 20:13:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_FAQ#How_much_is_the_student_stipend.3F 20:13:39 I didn't write in anything about smaller bounties, because it's confusing 20:13:54 hopefully we'll know before the proposals are due what the landscape looks like there. 20:14:23 thx for the link 20:25:45 did you have any questions about the step-by-step stuff? 20:26:25 no .. I'm good for now 20:26:31 I'll absorb and come back with more questions if needed 20:26:39 thanks for the time Karsten :) 20:27:27 np a'tall 20:27:32 #endmeeting