16:59:50 #startmeeting Websites Meeting 17:00:02 #topic Who's here 17:00:03 mizmo: mchua markg85 ping 17:00:11 * markg85 is here 17:00:12 #topic Who's here 17:00:12 oops, i forgot i'm not a chair 17:00:14 nb: only chair can do that. 17:00:15 * nb 17:00:18 * onekopaka 17:00:21 * hiemanshu is ehre 17:00:25 here* 17:00:36 * sijis is here. 17:00:38 ricky is probably kind of here 17:00:39 * markg85 is here 17:00:45 * ricky is hereish 17:00:52 #topic blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:00:59 yay blogs.fpo! 17:01:17 so the thing is 17:01:22 First off big round of applause to sijis 17:01:33 * nb claps 17:01:40 * onekopaka claps louder than nb 17:01:43 nb: update 17:01:51 * sijis thanks everyone. :) 17:01:55 FAS auth is finished, basically everything is ready, I am working on spam plugin 17:01:58 hiemanshu: hi 17:02:01 the thing is.. 17:02:03 i think we are pretty much ready to deploy 17:02:06 don't know for wat but: claps ^_^ 17:02:07 hello mizmo 17:02:18 markg85, sijis got FAS auth working for blogs.fp.org 17:02:31 that's what we were blocking on 17:02:43 badbehavior caught our first spam today 17:02:45 * onekopaka suggests talking about the spam plugin 17:02:51 nice! congrats to you 2 17:03:01 it will have to be activated by the blog owners, sitewide activation is not available until 2.7.1 of wpmu 17:03:03 markg85: hi, nice to meet you. and thanks. 17:03:11 nb: there you go. 17:03:19 ricky thinks this will be ok as long as we document how to do it clearly 17:03:22 nb: we cant update? 17:03:34 hiemanshu: packaged version is 2.7 17:03:37 IIRC 2.8.1 is out as well 17:03:38 hiemanshu, not available in epel yet, we conceivably could package it for infrarepo 17:03:43 hiemanshu, of wpmu or of wp? 17:03:44 hiemanshu: we can only use packages. 17:03:50 nb: WPMU 17:03:55 hiemanshu: WPMU is not 2.8 yet. 17:04:01 onekopaka, hiemanshu we can make our own, but we would prefer to stick with the epel versions 17:04:02 onekopaka: sure is, check 17:04:06 hiemanshu: WPMU 2.8 is the SVN version. 17:04:06 * nb thinks 17:04:09 thoughts about it? 17:04:25 nb: ask the maintainer to push the update 17:04:35 hiemanshu: trust me, I run my WPMU out of svn 17:04:41 hiemanshu, update the ticket, it should be assigned to bretm 17:04:51 onekopaka: i installed it 17:04:52 The 2.8.2 version of WordPress MU is now available for download: 17:04:58 http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:04:59 i'd stick with EPEL version. we could definitely help them where needed. 17:05:11 hiemanshu: maintainer says there's a missing feature (which we don't know exactly the feature_ 17:05:14 nb: 2.8.2 is out and it requires no changes 17:05:20 to DB 17:05:27 hiemanshu: sure it does. 17:05:27 onekopaka: i ll talk to him 17:05:28 sijis, bretm was delaying updating because apparently some change was made in 2.7.1 that he didnt like 17:05:44 can non-chair do action or is it only chair too? 17:05:47 onekopaka: you said 2.8 was not even out 17:05:51 hiemanshu: it's not. 17:05:53 nb: non chair can 17:06:01 hiemanshu, you want to talk to bretm? 17:06:03 onekopaka: check here http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:06:07 nb: yes i will 17:06:09 bugzilla works well with him, email not so much 17:06:16 .fas bretm 17:06:24 #action hiemanshu to file bugzilla ticket requesting bretm to update wordpress-mu 17:06:48 #agreed hiemanshu will ask bretm for update and nb will work on spam plugin 17:06:56 Who will work on the blog docs? 17:07:00 hiemanshu: those should be seperate 17:07:02 hiemanshu, /me would strongly suggest bugzilla, he seems to respond to that but ive never gotten an answer to email 17:07:22 nb: sure i ll speak to him 17:07:33 anything else? 17:07:35 #action onekopaka to document how to use WordPress MU for first-time users. 17:07:42 we may be deploying it pretty soon 17:07:57 next topic? 17:08:04 it would be nice to make any changes to the db after we deploy because i already gave ricky a db dump 17:08:14 although i could probably have him re-import the db 17:08:16 hiemanshu: mmkay, you win. 17:08:23 i got some minor changes to the authentication piece (cleaning stuff up mostly).. but it shouldn't break anything. 17:08:33 Not 100% sure if the dump should be used without cleanup - it might contain test users and stuff 17:08:35 hiemanshu: I had an out of date checkout 17:08:37 onekopaka: whats the latest? 17:08:38 ricky, it doesnt 17:08:41 OK 17:08:47 hiemanshu: 2.8.2 is in the svn repo 17:08:49 ricky, all it contains is the ones that have regular fas accounts under that username 17:08:51 onekopaka: :) 17:08:53 i know the db has old user data in it. 17:08:59 sijis: has the change been tested? 17:09:06 hiemanshu: "$wp_version = '2.8.2';" 17:09:09 sijis, i removed the ones taht do not correspond to production FAS accounts 17:09:19 hiemanshu: i haven't uploaded the changes to test it yet. 17:09:25 * nb thinks it only contains admin, nb, onekopaka, ricky, nigelj 17:09:36 nb: but the metadata table has some old account ID info in it 17:09:38 It also contains password hashes which is kind of weird. unless it's the "" value. 17:09:39 * hiemanshu had his account deleted 17:09:47 Ah well. 17:09:51 ricky, i can re-dump it anyway, if you prefer 17:09:56 Nah, it's all good 17:09:58 ricky: they're randomly generated. 17:10:12 OK, that'll just be a difference from the current plugin which doesn't do the random stuff. 17:10:22 * nb has not really looked at the current plugin 17:10:25 ricky: it doesn't do random stuff? 17:10:34 Nop 17:10:35 **Nope 17:10:38 nice 17:10:49 onekopaka, well, its kind of irrelevant what it stores in the database because the fas password is what it goes by 17:10:56 nb: I know. 17:11:26 Anything else? 17:11:42 hiemanshu: I think we're covered here... 17:11:51 ok then 17:11:53 #topic www.fp.o 17:11:57 markg85: update 17:12:09 oke 17:12:30 well that's only regarding the feedback 17:12:38 same for get.fp.o 17:12:56 sijis: you know about these projects going on? 17:13:10 i would like to discuss each point on the feedback and see what we is going to be implemented and what not 17:13:18 markg85: go ahead 17:13:29 oke 17:14:18 http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt all, open that link please 17:14:41 isn't this kind of discussion better suited for the mailing list? 17:14:42 markg85: we tend to use .tiny =) 17:14:47 .tiny http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt 17:14:55 markg85: like that. 17:15:13 mizmo: I think meetings are good for this.. 17:15:24 mizmo, well, i asked that on the mailing list but no response per point 17:15:26 * hiemanshu nods 17:15:40 there was some from you and mchua but not on everything 17:16:04 markg85: dont get into complete detail, all people dont have time 17:16:17 i kind of think the best way to move forward is simply to use the feedback in the mockups 17:16:19 which is in progress 17:16:44 mizmo: you working on the mockups? 17:16:53 oke then there is probably nothing to discuss about it now right? 17:17:03 markg85: a note that Fedora isn't based off RHEL, RHEL is downstream of Fedora. 17:17:33 onekopaka, it's just the raw feedback, don't look at me if something is wrong there :P it's what the users said 17:17:36 markg85: so tell that user that Fedora is upstream from RHEL. 17:17:47 hiemanshu: yeh ive been working on the get.fpo 17:17:53 * nb thinks RHEL 5 is somewhere around F6 17:17:57 onekopaka: users _would_ not care 17:18:00 nb: yep. 17:18:04 mizmo: you want to get that topic out? 17:18:10 mizmo, any images so far? 17:18:18 hiemanshu: as the consumer of the info, i just don't see the point 17:18:26 markg85: nothign to show yet, have a few inprogress mocks 17:18:34 been extremely busy lately 17:19:00 ok 17:19:01 mizmo: there was on in mailing list complaining about not finding stuff 17:19:06 Anything else? 17:19:09 * sijis sorry.. had to step away 17:19:11 next topic? 17:19:22 #topic F12 Web Tasks 17:19:25 * onekopaka notes that someone said fp.o needed a search engine 17:19:40 .tiny https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-July/msg00092.html 17:19:50 * nb notes that google site:fedoraproject.org WFM 17:20:03 well although we do have site:fedorahosted.org too 17:20:22 .tiny http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-web-tasks.html 17:20:58 just on a side note.. what's up with those tiny url's in here. it seems pointless since the full url is just 1 line above... 17:21:10 So who is going to get down with the design team for the banners? 17:21:19 hiemanshu: im the design team lead :) 17:21:22 hiemanshu: not a worry 17:21:28 mizmo: nice i dint know :) 17:21:33 markg85: just the tradition. 17:21:34 hiemanshu: it's on the design team schedule 17:21:44 mizmo: great :) 17:22:15 it is tradition? 17:22:36 * nb thinks our design team does a great job 17:22:38 nb: mmcgrath does it for URLs in Infra meetings 17:22:44 * nb claps for mizmo and her team 17:22:47 onekopaka, oh ok 17:22:52 * onekopaka claps too. 17:22:56 * hiemanshu follows after onekopaka 17:23:04 Any takers for the other tasks? 17:23:07 * nb has not been able to make many infra meetings 17:23:23 #action everyone to thank mizmo & the rest of the design team for being awesome 17:23:50 anyway mizmo, did you find the feedback i gathered useful? 17:24:07 markg85: follow the topic :) 17:24:24 sijis was supposed to be here for this topic 17:24:31 hiemanshu, we are still in the same topic ;) 17:24:42 markg85: nope, this is F12 Web Tasks. 17:24:44 markg85: its been changed :P 17:24:53 o lol there 17:25:16 do we have more to say on this? topic? 17:25:17 Well anything else? 17:25:29 this topic?* 17:25:41 ahh which topic are we talking about now 17:25:46 i looked over the web tasks list 17:25:52 and i couldnt think of anything missing 17:26:07 who usually writes the content? 17:26:30 marketing team comes up with the slogan 17:26:40 ianweller: ping 17:26:44 and then i think we change the 'see the tour' link to go to the newest tour 17:26:47 which the marketing team also puts together 17:26:49 hiemanshu: whoops. 17:26:52 so i guess marketing basically 17:27:00 mizmo: aahhh ok 17:27:06 who should talk to them marketing people then? 17:27:08 sijis: you wanted to speak about this topic right 17:27:22 marketing's got the slogan on their schedule 17:27:25 not 100% sure if the tour is 17:27:36 well.. i just wanted to konw if anyone reviewed it and who has what task. 17:27:39 should we get the wiki czar *thunder* to talk to the marketing team then? 17:28:17 So lets decide who will co-ordinate what task 17:28:46 i think mizmo can co-ordinate the first 3 (Design related) 17:29:00 ianweller seems to be a marketing person. 17:29:38 now if we could find ianweller.. 17:29:56 ianweller, ping 17:29:59 .fasinfo ianweller 17:30:00 oh he's probably at that one thing like mchua. 17:30:01 sijis: you want to take up any? 17:30:09 yep, ian is marketing 17:30:11 nb: he's at that one thing. 17:30:18 nb: in Raleigh 17:30:21 oh 17:30:26 he's at the airport right now 17:30:38 #info Ian Weller is at "that one thing(tm)" 17:30:40 lol 17:30:42 hiemanshu: i wasn't sure what the POT stuff is. 17:30:53 mizmo: heading back to Kansas? 17:30:59 he's* 17:31:01 * nb has too much of a sense of humor today, lol 17:31:03 well onekopaka can help you with that 17:31:13 sijis: ^^ 17:31:29 ok.. i'll work with onekopaka with that. 17:31:29 onekopaka: yeh, he's not in kansas anymore right now, but he will be again :) 17:31:29 anything else on the topic? 17:31:33 it's something about translations 17:31:37 mizmo: ;) 17:32:01 nb: template that has all the msgids 17:32:24 hiemanshu: I think we're good on this terpic. 17:32:37 #topic User Gallery 17:32:41 Well this is my job 17:32:56 mizmo: i want you to be a little clear with what you have in mind 17:32:56 sijis thinks it's a Facebook thing.. 17:33:08 hiemanshu, anything to show ? 17:33:09 :) 17:33:16 hiemanshu: the idea behind the user gallery is quite simple. take maybe 3 different fedora users, interview them, and have user testimonials. 17:33:28 hiemanshu: have a student talk about how they use fedora to do homework 17:33:32 markg85: working on it 17:33:35 hiemanshu: have a mom show how she uses fedora to work on photos 17:33:36 :P 17:33:37 stuff like that 17:33:57 mizmo: what about people showing off their desktops and how they got those? 17:34:16 hiemanshu: a desktop screenshot doesn't really show what you can do with fedora 17:34:26 hiemanshu: i think it'd be cooler to show something like this.... (one sec while i grab link) 17:34:31 mizmo: something like a User showoff 17:35:07 mizmo, what you want is a flickr like thing but for fedora? 17:35:27 mizmo: its almost like..."Using Fedora in your daily life." 17:35:46 hiemanshu: something like this http://mairin.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/making-cool-stuff-using-foss-software/ 17:36:00 hiemanshu: eg 'these are things that were produced using fedora' 17:36:15 mizmo: ahh i see now 17:36:24 * hiemanshu was a little unclear 17:36:36 mizmo: do you want it dynamic or static? 17:36:36 hiemanshu: show how it affects their real life 17:36:45 ricky wants it static though 17:36:49 hiemanshu: theres no reason it needs to be dynamic. better to start out static and expand if needed 17:37:07 great, and a form where people can fill and forward to us? 17:37:14 no i dont think that's a good idea 17:37:19 you're not going to get high-quality responses 17:37:25 you need to track good subjects down 17:37:28 and we dont need a lot 17:37:30 3 should be find 17:37:32 s/find/fine 17:37:44 you could use some of my print work for an artist use case if you want 17:37:50 we have all sort sof banners tshirts etc we've done 17:37:56 and i can get you high quality photos of them 17:38:01 so then you only have two other cases left to cover 17:38:17 mizmo: well we can have more than two cases 17:38:22 jack aboutaboul visited NASA and took some notes on their usage of fedora 17:38:24 * hiemanshu includes one of a Web Developer 17:38:35 3 total is probably all we need to start 17:38:40 NASA might be a really cool use case 17:38:44 yeah 17:38:48 yes 17:38:52 hiemanshu: web developer sounds like a great idea too 17:38:59 hiemanshu: maybe find a web developer who uses fedora as his desktop 17:39:06 mizmo: me ? 17:39:25 * hiemanshu is a Web developer 17:39:27 hiemanshu: sure do you have a bunch of websites you could show off that you made with fedora? 17:39:34 mizmo: sure 17:39:43 * onekopaka tends to use his mac to devlop web apps 17:39:48 cool 17:39:50 so you got your cases 17:39:58 just need to do the research for them and get the screenshots etc you need 17:40:02 once I get E to compile.... 17:40:07 Yes i ll do that 17:40:29 mizmo: mail me your case as well :) 17:40:45 Anyone else on the topic? 17:40:55 hiemanshu: not from me. 17:41:27 open floor time? 17:41:49 is mchua here? 17:42:04 hiemanshu, mchua is at thatonething 17:42:06 i think 17:42:10 ah ok 17:42:10 hiemanshu: she was also at that one thing with Ian Weller. 17:42:20 then Open Floor 17:42:25 #topic Open Floor 17:42:26 * nb LOL @ all the mentions of "that one thing" 17:42:29 hiemanshu: im happy to answer any questions to help write the case 17:42:34 hiemanshu: but i do not have the bandwidth to write it myself 17:42:36 nb: that one thing. 17:42:40 hiemanshu: the link i gave you should be a good start though 17:42:42 oke, mizmo, now my question ^_^ 17:42:57 * nb has nothing for open floor 17:43:04 nb: I hope you know what I mean by that one thing 17:43:05 mizmo: hmmmm, sure i ll do something and then probably i ll have some idea on what to write and ask you 17:43:09 mizmo, did you use any of the feedback i gathered in those mockups in progress? 17:43:10 POSSE, I think it is. 17:43:12 onekopaka, no i don't 17:43:25 ooh, i think i heard something about it on ian's blog 17:43:28 something with redhat 17:43:29 markg85: yes 17:43:29 nb: it has something weird to do with edumacation. 17:43:34 hiemanshu: cool 17:43:37 mizmo, like? 17:43:41 nb: and Red Hat. 17:43:43 well nb what is that one thing? 17:43:52 markg85: i don't have the time to go into detail right now, sorry. you'll see in the mockups when they're ready. 17:43:59 nb: and landfill.bugzilla.org 17:44:02 probably a bigger download button ;) 17:44:09 BIGGER DOWNLOAD BUTTON! 17:44:12 mizmo, oke :( 17:44:18 made in Scribus! 17:44:37 mizmo, any ETA? 17:45:03 onekopaka: whats that one thing? 17:45:37 onekopaka, HAHA 17:45:37 https://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=116 17:45:47 hiemanshu: it's a thing RHT did about using FOSS in edumacation 17:45:47 markg85: you working on any mockups? 17:46:03 nb: complaintzilla FTW. 17:46:14 markg85: no 17:46:26 hiemanshu, well i did (2 months ago!!) and those are online on my wiki page (markg85) 17:46:39 nb: http://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=1 =) 17:46:42 markg85: working on mockups for other things for the feature freeze next week so its been on the backburner 17:46:47 (eg anaconda, selinux) 17:47:14 sijis: you here? 17:47:20 hiemanshu: yup 17:47:24 HAHA 17:47:30 * nb should stop cluttering the meeting logs 17:47:35 sijis: you have anything to speak ot ask? 17:47:39 Red Hat really wants me to go to Red Hat Summit. 17:47:42 s//ot/or 17:48:03 hiemanshu: not really. 17:48:28 oh i do.. bringing back blogs. 17:48:29 anyone else on anything or shall i end the meeting? 17:48:36 sijis: go ahead 17:48:44 blags.fp.o 17:48:59 we are testing for the next couple of weeks, right? 17:49:13 sijis, i was planning on deploying it as soon as we get the spam plugin done 17:49:14 or.. better yet, how long will we test for? 17:49:17 nb can answer that better 17:49:18 * onekopaka thought we were deploying soon... 17:49:24 ricky: ping 17:49:25 nb: ok. 17:49:42 like <1 week id say, although i'll convert the pt15 one into blogs-test 17:49:51 mizmo, i kinda have the idea that it's on a very low backburner.. i started this stuff exactly one day after fedora 11 got released and at the speed things go now it's probably not even done before fedora 12 or even 13.. 17:50:06 * onekopaka thinks we need value1.stg and value2.stg 17:50:06 markg85: you want to take on my to-do list? go ahead. i'll hear from you in 2044 17:50:13 markg85: seriously! 17:50:40 onekopaka, yeah, would be nice 17:50:40 markg85: this is one of maybe 40 projects i'm working on, no exaggeration. it won't take long, i just like to sleep and eat and spend time with my family too. i'll work it in. 17:50:42 mizmo, you don't need to do it! i came here because i would like to give it a shot 17:50:50 if there's a specific time by which it needs to be in by, i can get it in by then 17:51:03 markg85: i would much rather prefer to do it, already have it half done 17:51:35 markg85: and if i understand correctly there is no rush on it as was brought up at last meeting 17:51:41 markg85: if the priority has changed that i can take that into account 17:52:16 mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P 17:52:40 anyone have any thoughts about using badbehavior as a spam plugin for wpmu? 17:52:51 or about if we should stick with the packaged version of 2.7 or package our own version? 17:53:00 package our own version! 17:53:16 markg85: you seriously need to calm down. 17:53:20 markg85: stop being so nasty to me. 17:53:34 markg85: you have quite a nerve to question my ability to get things done. 17:53:48 markg85: you can take this offline with me if you feel you need to press the issue. 17:53:48 mizmo: its ok, hes like that only :) 17:53:51 people are questioning mizmo's ability to get things done? 17:54:00 onekopaka: " mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P" 17:54:16 mizmo: calm down and go back to your work 17:54:24 hiemanshu: i'm perfectly calm 17:54:33 I am closing the meeting within 30 secs if no one has anything to say 17:54:36 ... you always take the things i say the wrong way 17:54:37 hiemanshu: i just dont understand why im getting attacked 17:54:37 please do 17:54:39 we all can just CALM DOWN. 17:54:44 mizmo: ignore him, hes just like that 17:55:08 Ok here it goes 17:55:11 #endmeeting