12:08:03 #startmeeting 12:08:03 Meeting started Fri Jan 18 12:08:03 2013 UTC. The chair is alick. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:08:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:08:04 he tommy ;-) 12:08:04 [2010-08-20 22:18:24] Posted by z/odbot@fedora-zh already: MeetBot - Debian Wiki 12:08:08 cicku, nice to meet you. 12:08:16 BinLi, yes 12:08:51 #chair lovenemesis cicku alick CyrusYzGTt kaio gbraad endle 12:08:51 Current chairs: CyrusYzGTt alick cicku endle gbraad kaio lovenemesis 12:09:52 今天我想到的有两个话题， 12:10:20 一是活动的具体program，即各个talk 主题确定，时间等 12:10:40 另一个是活动的其他筹备事项的进展和规划 12:10:57 还有其他的话题要讨论吗？ 12:11:04 问一下，一共准备有几个题目？ 12:11:35 BinLi: 呃，我们第一个话题里说 12:11:43 现在需要总结一下具体的题目数量 12:11:45 请稍等 12:11:59 Alick，还有一个weibo的事情 12:12:04 alick: ok 12:12:09 Haowe Lee来了吗？ 12:12:15 cicku: oh yes, thx 12:12:30 cnblue貌似没来 12:12:43 先开始i第一个话题吧 12:12:43 没有别的的话，我们就开始第一个吧 12:13:04 #topic release party program 12:13:19 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F18_Beijing#Topics 12:13:20 [2013-01-11 21:02:17] Posted by a/lick@fedora-zh already: Release Party F18 Beijing - FedoraProject 12:13:54 目前我知道的有4--5--6个主题， 12:14:08 总结一下 12:14:11 希望今晚我们把具体数字、内容都确定下来～ 12:14:32 tonghuix: nice to meet you here, :) 12:14:35 IRC meeting 开始了么? 12:14:36 hi 12:14:37 下面我先一个一个列举已知的吧 12:14:42 已经开始了 tonghuix 12:14:54 注意目前的顺序不一定是最后的talk先后顺序 12:14:54 alick go ahead 12:15:02 sorry晚了，刚刚到家 12:15:20 1. fedora infra by robin lee 12:15:28 没关系 12:15:35 robin cheeselee 来了吗？ 12:15:59 robin? 12:16:04 robin?? 12:16:19 .fas cheeselee 12:16:20 alick: cheeselee '' 12:16:33 ping him on weibo 12:16:43 ok 12:17:01 ping him now 12:17:08 pinged 12:17:09 i'm pinging him now 12:17:23 ok, let's skip this one for now 12:17:47 2. talk about fontconfig and/or ibus by Peng Wu (epico) 12:18:13 epico: 可以确定题目了么？ 12:18:49 等一分钟 12:18:50 我还是先全列出来，再具体说吧 12:19:09 en 12:19:10 3. openshift intro by tommy he aka lovenemesis 12:19:24 4. Seafile intro by freeplant 12:19:51 计划是fontconfg 简介和ibus简介的比较短的slides. 12:19:51 5. GNOME dev or feature talk by Li Bin 12:20:07 两个slides 12:20:12 短到什么程度？ 12:20:29 6. unknown topic by herdingcat 牧猫居士@weibo 12:20:40 * gbraad wonders if time constraints are set for the presentations 12:20:42 end of list of topics 12:21:00 alick, could I comment sth. here? 12:21:05 robin来了 12:21:10 welcome robin 12:21:18 至于时限，我之前想的是 5 个主题，各40min 12:21:20 噢，好久好久没来了 12:21:21 还没有写完，目前比较短。 12:21:23 herdingcat: plz go ahead 12:21:29 alick, cool 12:21:32 <10 pages 12:21:36 FYI i am quite new to openshift, far way from an expert 12:21:49 Robin_cheese_Lee, hi 12:21:50 Robin_cheese_Lee: hi 12:21:58 hi 12:22:00 在北京GNOME用户组的列表上有个 Zhou.M 想讲讲如何开发GNOME shell 插件的 12:22:05 lovenemesis: no problem. I can hook you up to someone with deep knowledge and I can also answer a lot 12:22:16 If we can find someone more experience on that, i'm totally fine to let someone else to present the openshift part 12:22:19 嗯，但是我也是新手 12:22:39 时限方面，我之前的想法是共5个主题，各40分钟，每个30分钟讲+10分钟问答。eof 12:22:41 lovenemesis: you do call it an intro... so, why don't you 12:22:53 还有Lance wang 也准备讲讲gstreamer，呵 12:23:11 看看日程安排吧 12:23:19 BinLi: so it's Zhou's topic, not yours? 12:23:23 gbraad: in that case, sure i will do, let you guys handle the Q&A section :) 12:23:26 * gbraad OKs on 30 minutes 12:23:32 alick, topic I can talk: beowulf cluster/kerberos/Live CD build up/OpenAFS 12:23:37 alick, 我可以按照这个时间长度讲完两个简介。 12:23:41 lovenemesis: I will be in the Netherlasdn :'-( 12:23:46 mengzhuo: 你可以讲么？ 12:23:53 注册一个talk或者lightning talk，打算讲一个在fedora上开发开源硬件的 12:24:08 herdingcat how long is your time limit? 12:24:08 alick, session duration? 12:24:25 cicku, don't know, what's the limit? 12:24:32 no limit.. 12:24:34 主要我也只是开发过几个小插件，谈不上专家，最多只能和大家分享一下 12:24:41 gbraad: oops, will you let someone with expertise to give me a hand? I mean, help me on the trick questions 12:24:44 * gbraad wonders why <10 slides was mentioned. always have backup slides for discussion or further talk 12:24:47 But I just want to know how long your spech will last.. 12:24:51 现在看来我们的talk数目比较多诶 12:24:58 我在一年半前的 http://linuxtoy.org/archives/lovelock-event-canton.html 讲过 systemd，以后有机会也可以在北京再讲一次，不过这次还是想讲 infrastructure，觉得会对新接触Fedora的很有帮助 12:24:59 Lovelock Event @ Canton (6月9日再更新) — LinuxTOY 12:25:00 alick: 我也可以介绍一下gnome shell的 feature 12:25:27 我觉得至少安排一个讲fedora 18新特性的 12:25:34 * gbraad thinks 30 minutes talks would be OK. always expect a 5 or even 10 minute overrun 12:25:37 毕竟这次更新改动比较大 12:25:40 tonghuix: 是的，这个是必须的 12:25:48 tonghuix 新特性怎么讲呢... 12:25:58 gbraad, the slides is not finished yet... 12:25:59 tonghuix: 要讲什么？ 12:26:00 cicku, I don't which topic is more interesting, for myself they are equal. :) 12:26:05 systemd 也不错, Robin_cheese_Lee 12:26:06 演示+体验 12:26:13 演示...不错 12:26:14 allow time for Q&A 12:26:27 不过，有些新特性不怎么常用.... 12:26:43 如果时间充裕也可以现场安装，呵 12:26:57 epico: expect you need 1 to 2 minutes per slide. so have 20 slides. 2 backup slides. do not write TOO much on each 12:26:59 actually, SSM is a pretty new feature in F18 12:27:01 cicku, I'm working on RPi + Fedora 12:27:05 是啊，现场安装，演示新安装界面 12:27:13 安装挺快的，20分钟搞定 12:27:21 herdingcat ....well 12:27:22 是啊 12:27:32 herdingcat ....I just let kaio mail my rpi 12:27:36 Dunno someone who has experience on SSM yet 12:27:50 新安装界面可能就是 Fedora 18 最大的新特性 12:27:53 关于时长和主题数，大家觉得怎样最好？ 12:27:55 gbraad, I see. 12:28:03 cicku, as I mentioned, I don't know which topic would be more interesting. That's the point. 12:28:10 5*40min or 6*30min or else? 12:28:25 herdingcat ....me too,let's talk in private simultaneously 12:28:28 herdingcat: shows RPi running Fedora and some of the stuff you experiment with 12:28:35 alick: 40分钟以内吧，包括QA 12:28:38 gbraad, good idea 12:28:43 #info 我们的活动总时长是 4hour = 240min 12:28:48 gbraad, I have ported some software to Fedora already. 12:28:53 gbraad 12:28:54 alick: keep 30 minutes 12:29:05 alick: but allow overrun 12:29:24 gbraad: 30 min for both talk and QA? 12:29:25 alick: especially when someone does not show up you need the speaker 12:29:29 for the length, 30 min is enough for a section 12:29:36 4个小时是不是太长了，而且都是演讲，会很枯燥 12:29:42 gbraad, but I'm working on Fedora 17 now so I don't know if it's okay. 12:29:48 gdg 能讲一天....... 12:29:48 QA separate 12:29:50 gbraad: what about the number of talks? 12:30:08 到可以有个lighting talk，1hour 12:30:10 herdingcat: it would not matter IMHO 12:30:17 gbraad, okay 12:30:28 alick: how long is the event? 12:30:30 最好把总时长控制在两小时左右，加入演示和互动 12:30:53 cicku: what is gdg? 12:30:57 We may show the Tears of Steel during break :) 12:30:58 #info the event is at 14:00--18:00, four hours in total 12:31:05 google developer group 12:31:21 alick: 6 talks 12:31:22 我觉得，speech算一部分 12:31:32 演示和互动算一部分 12:31:37 okay? 12:31:51 cicku: sounds good 12:31:53 and you might not even have enough time, but if someone does not show up, you can have longer QA or demo session 12:32:18 gbraad: so 6 talks and each talk lasts at most 35minutes? 12:32:27 yes 12:32:35 I think it's fine. 12:33:00 不过会不会有点多，一直是讲，会无聊？ 12:33:02 you can always allow longer, but you will notice from teh audience... 12:33:29 if more people want to speak, but can't... collect the info for the next time 12:34:06 So guys, do you agree with gbraad's suggestion (6 talks, each 35min)? 12:34:10 I hope we can work on a next time at the event to think of a monthly (or bimonthly) meeting. 12:34:31 alick: OK 12:34:33 +1 ? 12:34:36 +1 12:34:37 alick: okay for me 12:34:41 Let's vote :) 12:34:44 alick: good for me 12:34:50 * mengzhuo think it's good 12:34:53 I suggest 3 talks, and 5 lightning talk 12:35:15 should have a break after 3 talks? 12:35:37 Anyway, it's ok, +1 12:35:58 BinLi: I think so. 12:36:00 lightning talks need to be more strictly timed. some other time maybe? 12:36:15 are also more effective when more speakers shwo up 12:36:18 tonghuix: how long is a lighting talk in your mind? 12:36:28 I guess the meeting would also need to act as a meet-up 12:36:40 alick: 3 ～5mins 12:37:25 or, 3 talks, 3 demos, and 5 lightning talk 12:37:44 tonghuix: 我觉得如果一切都按预订时间走的话，我们最后还可能有时间搞一搞闪电演讲 12:37:55 ping 12:37:57 tonghuix: 在 gbraad 的提议下。 12:38:01 tonghuix: what kinds of demos 12:38:09 tonghuix: 4 hours is short to deal with this without messing up 12:38:38 tonghuix: 当然这种可能不总有 12:38:51 tonghuix: are you ok with gbraad's suggestion? 12:39:03 alick: BTW, the presentations are in zhongwen (Chinese)? 12:39:13 tonghuix: I think we will have demos inside some talks. 12:39:30 gbraad: I think so... 12:39:41 yes, I prepared Chinese slides. 12:39:41 gbraad Chinese of course 12:39:42 well, i can present in english 12:39:42 alick: agree with you 12:39:42 set it as a requirement ;-) 12:39:54 lovenemesis dont do that 12:40:20 So we agree with the talk number and the time constraint. 12:40:20 I just say I can, doesn't mean i will :) 12:40:20 Chinese is good 12:40:27 tonghuix: let's do lightning talks at the next meeting 12:40:44 gbraad: it is ok 12:40:58 #agreed We will have 6 talks, and each talk lasts at most 35 minutes (QA included) 12:41:00 My slides might be in English 12:41:11 it it ok, guys? 12:41:17 for me is ok 12:41:18 lovenemesis: better not 12:41:20 alick, do you pull out the agenda/talk list? 12:41:27 lovenemesis: only for commands 12:41:36 About the language, I think both En/Chinese should be fine. 12:42:11 some terminology in English is more easy to understand 12:42:13 herdingcat: 我们下面该讨论具体演讲的内容主题了 12:42:23 * herdingcat is listening. 12:42:51 herdingcat: 不过我们先快速地统一下在演讲语言上的意见。 12:43:11 writen in english, but speech could chinese 12:43:31 alick, both are okay to me. epico ? 12:43:36 could=should ;-) 12:43:44 i have no idea both are ok 12:43:46 我提议：talk 内容以及演讲中文 prefered，英文也可接收 12:43:50 Is the English slide a problem ? 12:44:03 maybe a problem for others? 12:44:04 speak in Chinese 12:44:05 I will speak Chinese 12:44:31 for me, guess both is in Chinese. 12:44:31 lovenemesis: as alick says Chinese preferred. Chinese spoken. ok 12:44:36 of course, speak in Chinese, there are no foreigners, right? 12:44:47 Chinese is the preferred language in the event, both for slides and oral talk, OK? 12:44:49 alick, +1 12:44:58 +1 12:45:02 +1 12:45:09 +1 12:45:24 And english, although not preferred, is also acceptable :) 12:45:26 but will have some terminology words in English... 12:45:27 +1 12:45:32 +1 12:45:45 epico: I understand the terminology issue. 12:45:58 But I speak Guangdongqiang Chinese, hoho 12:46:04 +1 12:46:05 epico: but these will probably be explained with Chinese 12:46:11 cantonese? 12:46:14 Robin_cheese_Lee: ;-) 12:46:24 Robin_cheese_Lee: oh, I mean Madrain... 12:46:29 gbraad, np 12:46:59 cicku, not cantonese. 12:47:20 ok 12:47:24 Robin_cheese_Lee: 我听粤语歌没问题，但挺粤语讲座恐怕不行~~~ 12:47:28 cicku: cantonese Mandarin 12:47:47 confused.. 12:47:50 never mind 12:48:01 Robin_cheese_Lee: that's kind of Putonghua, yes? 12:48:11 alick: yes 12:48:19 Robin_cheese_Lee: fine 12:48:29 let's come back to the topic 12:48:47 #agreed In this event, Chinese (Mandarin) is the preferred language. 12:49:01 Robin_cheese_Lee: people at the event could else assist. be sure your slides explain enough in case of confusion 12:49:17 * alick we need to talk about the specific talk topics, and the order of talks. 12:49:24 freeplant? anything to say? 12:49:42 alick: suggestion to ask who is not from Beijing first 12:50:06 gbraad: good advice 12:50:06 alick: are where in Beijing. this info can ber helpful for planning 12:50:13 * herdingcat is at beijing 12:50:32 Just go on. I have no problem. 12:50:39 gbraad: Ok, I will try hard to make everybody concentrated 12:50:52 :) 12:51:01 哪位speaker在 14:00 到场这件事情上有困难？ 12:51:08 not in Beijing, will be stay at 7days Inn close to the campus 12:51:23 got it 12:51:40 I will be there at 1330 12:51:59 alick, I'm okay 12:52:04 Smile when I am taking photo of you guys :) 12:52:06 Who might be far away, and cannot arrive in the beginning of the party? 12:52:25 I won't be late 12:52:34 I will be there later than 1500 12:53:28 * cicku I will wait for you from 1320 12:53:30 tonghuix: ok got it 12:53:57 let's check the topic of each talk 12:54:01 ok 12:54:15 Is the place building FIT, Tsinghua? What's room? 12:54:29 1-315 12:54:56 Robin_cheese_Lee: will your talk be titled 'Fedora Infrastructure/Servies'? 12:55:21 alick: something like that 12:55:21 Robin_cheese_Lee: Services, ahh. sorry for the typo 12:55:43 may be just Infrastructure 12:56:02 I preferred to be 2nd or 3rd, thus I can focus on taking photos afterward 12:56:15 I will help you take fotos 12:56:19 Robin_cheese_Lee: can you give an abstract of the topic? 12:56:23 lovenemesis: cool 12:56:38 lovenemesis: 2nd is suggested 12:56:45 lovenemesis I will help you take fotos 12:56:46 Robin_cheese_Lee: like what will be mentioned? 12:57:06 lovenemesis: hope you will also act as a senior member to keep an eye and assist ;-) 12:57:13 alick: a trip of the infrastructure of Fedora, like koji, bodhi, git. 12:57:15 cicku: thanks, what camera will you bring? 12:57:38 Robin_cheese_Lee: what mighe be showed? Any additional requirement except the projector? 12:57:44 alick: And show how we can comment on and support an update 12:57:45 lovenemesis, I am okay to speak after you. :) 12:57:54 or later. 12:58:04 alick, list pulled out? 12:58:05 alick: projector is enough, and necessay 12:58:05 gbraad: Sure :p 12:58:08 lovenemesis a small camera 12:58:16 Robin_cheese_Lee: That's cool. 12:58:23 lovenemesis if you take a camera I will take it.. 12:58:27 stay on topic. alick and Robin_cheese_Lee only 12:58:39 Robin_cheese_Lee: you will be the first speaker, ok? 12:59:18 Robin_cheese_Lee: and the time period should be 14:00--14:35. 12:59:19 Do we have new feature introduction for F18 at the first topic? 12:59:36 BinLi: guess we do not have a speaker talking about that :( 12:59:42 alick: and I will go through the life time of a package update, and show how anybody can participate the procedure 13:00:03 alick: ok 13:00:13 Robin_cheese_Lee: that's great. 13:00:16 alick: ok 13:00:22 BinLi I think we need a new features talk... 13:00:28 ok. next? 13:00:42 alick: it won't be technique, and friendly to new comer 13:00:42 cicku: yes, that would be the main theme 13:00:49 I would like to be 2nd presenter 13:00:55 alick: it won't be technical, and friendly to new comer 13:00:57 BinLi But some new features are not familiar.. 13:01:00 after reviewing slots decide about if time allows to talk about specific new features 13:01:14 Topic "OpenShift Introduction" 13:01:16 Robin_cheese_Lee: understood. Mainly to encourage more to be engaged. 13:01:27 Robin_cheese_Lee: +1 on that 13:01:30 BinLi let's talk in private 13:01:32 alick: yes, you got the point 13:01:38 OpenShift is a new feature in Fedora 18, in someway 13:01:40 cicku: fine 13:01:50 lovenemesis: agree at new feature 13:02:12 lovenemesis: good 13:02:14 So can I be the 2nd? :) 13:02:22 okay for me 13:02:55 cicku: let's talk about whether to have a separate talk of features overview later, 13:02:55 alick, please confirm 13:03:09 cicku: since we currently have no speakers on that. 13:03:15 * gbraad suggest to continue in Chinese 13:03:23 lovenemesis: you want to be the 2nd :) 13:03:28 lovenemesis: I'm ok with that. 13:03:34 alick I'm talking with BinLi now about this...Just go on 13:03:45 cicku: er, ok. 13:03:57 alick: thanks, you got my topic name, right? 13:04:30 I think I missed to use #agreed for Robin_cheese_Lee's talk... 13:05:06 #agreed 1st talk(14:00--14:35) Fedora Infra by Robin_cheese_Lee 13:05:14 lovenemesis: I think so 13:05:46 #agreed 2nd talk(14:35--15:10) OpenShift Introduction by lovenemesis 13:05:47 #agreed 13:06:14 So who will be the 3rd? 13:06:42 epico: you are ok with being the third speaker? 13:06:55 okay 13:07:10 fontconfig & ibus intro 13:07:17 epico: I guess your talk will also cover new features of f18, yes? 13:07:49 其实我觉得还是中文舒服... 13:07:57 yes, will reflect the current status of f18. 13:08:05 是啊 13:08:08 s/中文/IRC里说中文/ 13:08:30 epico: that's good. 其他人的意见呢？ 13:08:41 +1 13:08:55 epico: will you please remind akira to update fonts-config-tool? 13:09:09 hihihi 13:09:19 kaio: hi 13:09:23 So we agree epico's talk will be the third one. 13:09:28 +1 13:09:32 hi kaio 13:09:35 lovenemesis: fonts-tweak-tool? 13:09:36 epico: the new zh_CN po is updated, but not built for F18 yet 13:09:42 epico: yes 13:09:51 epico: lovenemesis off-topic... please leave for later 13:10:01 this house is so full 13:10:04 epico: that's the tool you're going to talk, right? 13:10:11 #agreed 3rd talk(15:10--15:45) fontconfig & ibus intro by epico 13:10:19 lovenemesis, will intro it. 13:10:46 We should have a short break after three talks, right? 13:10:52 +1 13:11:02 中间休息 15 分钟？ 13:11:08 * gbraad 10-15 mins 13:11:09 同意 13:11:09 after three? I thought one break after two 13:11:12 alick, free chat 13:11:21 我觉得可以随机应变 13:11:26 lovenemesis: talks are short enough 13:11:55 gbraad: right, shorter than last time, then 3 is fine 13:12:32 so a middle break no longer than 15 min agreed? 13:12:39 * herdingcat nods 13:12:42 agreed on break. allow 10 minutes, no longer than 15 13:12:52 +1 13:12:56 so long for 15 13:13:04 s/long/plan 13:13:17 10min is enough, 15min, someone might got lost 13:13:48 gbraad: we will call everyone back to the room and be quiet after 10 min 13:14:08 gbraad: and continue with the following session. 13:14:16 alick: exactly. it takes time to orgabnize and get order again 13:14:57 #agreed middle break(15:45--16:00) FREE TIME 13:15:03 okay 13:15:24 第四个？ 13:15:24 然后，下半场 13:15:54 freeplant: ? 13:15:59 freeplant的东西是用来压轴？ 13:16:13 cicku: 哦？解释一下 13:16:24 Fine, my topic will be the fourth. 13:16:40 tonghuix: 你打算讲些什么？ 13:16:53 mengzhou not here? 13:16:59 alick: 在fedora上开发开源硬件 13:17:05