22:30:22 #startmeeting 22:30:22 Meeting started Wed Nov 6 22:30:22 2013 UTC. The chair is aeperezt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:30:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:30:39 .fas mribeirodantas 22:30:41 mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' 22:30:41 * mribeirodantas Brazil 22:30:44 #meetingname Fedora Ambassadors Latam 22:30:44 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_ambassadors_latam' 22:30:46 .fas villadalmine 22:30:47 rino: villadalmine 'Rino Rondan' 22:30:55 .fas williamjmorenor 22:30:55 viperboy001: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' 22:30:58 nicaragua 22:30:59 .fas 22:30:59 penasio: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 22:31:05 .fas echevemaster 22:31:08 .fas penasio 22:31:09 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 22:31:09 .fas dbruno 22:31:10 .fas alexove 22:31:11 penasio: penasio '' 22:31:12 #chair echevemaster alexove itamarjp 22:31:12 Current chairs: aeperezt alexove echevemaster itamarjp 22:31:14 danielbruno: dbruno 'Daniel Bruno' 22:31:15 * echevemaster Venezuela. 22:31:17 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 22:31:18 danielbruno: how are you! 22:31:26 #topic rollcal 22:31:27 danielbruno, o/ 22:31:30 rino, hey, i'm great, and you? 22:31:34 fine thanks! 22:31:38 .fas aeperezt 22:31:39 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 22:31:39 .fas wolnei 22:31:42 wolnei: wolnei '' - charged '' 22:31:43 * aeperezt Panama 22:31:43 echevemaster, i need to chat w you later :) 22:31:47 .fas lmvaz 22:31:48 lvaz: lmvaz 'Leonardo Menezes Vaz' - leonardovaz 'Leonardo Vaz' 22:31:51 * rino Argentina 22:31:53 * danielbruno Brazil 22:31:54 * lvaz Brazil 22:31:57 danielbruno, yeah, np :) 22:32:00 Brazil 22:32:01 lvaz: !! ehhy ! 22:32:11 Brazil 22:32:22 * alexove = Perú 22:32:29 lvaz, o/ my dear irmao. 22:32:32 rino: o/ 22:32:42 lvaz: when another couple of beers!! 22:32:53 echevemaster: O/ mi hermanito gemelo!! 22:33:20 rino: planing to go the soon (tell you my plans later) 22:33:36 great lvaz please save a place in buenos aires :) 22:33:38 .fas 22:33:38 HakS: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 22:33:43 .fas xhaksx 22:33:44 HakS: xhaksx '' 22:34:00 .fas bernardoha 22:34:01 bernardo: bernardoha 'Bernardo C. Hermitaño Atencio' 22:34:04 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/9 22:34:12 today agenda https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/9 22:35:01 .fas sophiekovalevsky 22:35:02 kovalevsky: sophiekovalevsky '' 22:35:08 ok 22:35:15 .fas kovalevsky 22:35:16 kovalevsky: sophiekovalevsky '' 22:35:19 .fas kreder 22:35:20 delete: delete 'Matías Kreder' - quigon 'Matias Ezequiel Kreder' 22:35:43 thanks everyone for comming 22:35:43 seems like a full house 22:35:50 _o> 22:35:54 just left beers! 22:36:00 .fas itamarjp 22:36:01 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 22:36:02 or caipirihna ! 22:36:06 * itamarjp Brazil 22:36:17 Peruvian Pisco too :-D 22:36:31 we do not have many issues on the tickets 22:36:50 But at least we have good news regarding the domains after so long :) 22:36:54 Polar beer ! 22:36:58 vodka 22:37:03 except for 171 all others are old tickets 22:37:08 orange juice 22:37:18 and none need aproval of budget 22:37:33 I have an openstack event in 16 November 22:37:40 but I don't filled the ticket. 22:37:45 next time will be 22:37:50 Since danielbruno is around I like to know what happend with the issue on ticket 121 22:38:01 echevemaster: where is that event? venezuela? 22:38:10 yes delete 22:38:11 danielbruno, does that domains has been transfer what is the status 22:38:20 cool, there are no openstack community here yet 22:38:26 :S no delete '?? 22:38:28 projetofedora.org is already with neville 22:38:47 and gomix is the new administrator of proyectofedora.org 22:38:48 how about proyectofedora.org ? 22:38:48 danielbruno, so that ticket can be close now 22:38:52 .fas TonetJallo 22:38:52 TonetJallo: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' 22:38:57 aeperezt, yes 22:39:01 and 22:39:05 rino: just a linkedin group 22:39:07 Sushi 22:39:15 why the proyectofedora.org has not been transfered to Neville too ? 22:39:24 echevemaster, wait what is the difference betweend administrator and owner 22:39:24 well maybe we can do something :) 22:39:24 about proyectofedora.org, the actual owner of the domain is Guillermo 22:39:26 delete: we are working to organize it. ;-) 22:39:28 gomix 22:39:35 lvaz++ 22:39:46 rino++ o> 22:39:49 gomix is the new owner of proyectofedora.org 22:39:54 in the last week 22:39:57 danielbruno, what are the plans for projetofedora.org 22:40:03 i was talking with Neville 22:40:19 do we have something that needs to be there 22:40:20 I just have one issue for that 22:40:28 is about the forum 22:40:45 because the ask.fp don't support other languages 22:41:02 danielbruno, there are problem with the packaging of askbot 22:41:08 before we start 22:41:11 problems* 22:41:14 echevemaster, yeah i know 22:41:15 We are working in thart 22:41:19 that* 22:41:22 with that I like to move to topic 171 22:41:27 but I suggest to have an instance of askbot in portuguese 22:41:32 hosted on Openshift 22:41:32 because we have to define a policy here 22:41:32 ok aeperezt I will do 22:41:43 using the domain projetofedora.org 22:41:54 #topic ticket 171 how to deal with non official fedora domains 22:42:04 and when ask.fp have support, just merge the database 22:42:12 _o/ ! 22:42:13 or something like that 22:42:40 I filled the ticket 171, because projetofedora and proyectofedora isn't official domains, and someone changed the topic of #fedora-latam channel to point to one of these domains. 22:42:42 it's my sugestion 22:42:54 well about ticket 171, now no is a problem. 22:43:08 I believe there's a wider problem about ticket 171. 22:43:09 for me is a problem 22:43:11 proyectofedora's owner now is gomix 22:43:35 I don't like the idea of a fedora channel promoting a gomix domain 22:43:38 Gomix told me the topic was changed to point to proyectofedora because fedora-latam wasn't an official channel, or that it wasn't intended to ambassadors 22:43:38 I want to sugest we move all to the oficial domain, with the exceptions of the things we cannot put on the official domain yeat and work into that direction 22:43:48 The thing is that the channel description says otherwise. It says welcome fedora ambassadors. 22:44:29 Entrymsg : "Welcome latin american Fedora Ambassadors - Bienvenidos Embajadores Latinoamericanos de Fedora - Bem-vindos Latinamericanos embaixadores de Fedora" 22:44:42 I don't like people promoting his own domains instead of the official domain 22:44:47 itamarjp++ 22:44:53 I want to be clear on this 22:44:54 itamarjp, 1++ 22:45:03 I am not here to promote myself 22:45:10 ++itamarjp 22:45:12 I didn't file a ticket, but I'd like to take advantage of itamarjp's ticket to make sure #fedora-latam is official, or not. 22:45:14 itamarjp, +1 22:45:23 we represent fedora, therefore we need to use and promote official domain fedoraproject.org 22:45:30 aeperezt++ 22:45:47 aeperezt itamarjp +1 22:45:54 so banners, stickers, irc channels needs to be pointed to that domain 22:45:55 ++itamarjp 22:45:56 I would like to ask why fedora-latam it's not an official channel? 22:45:58 so, what you think about the forum? 22:46:28 danielbruno, lets finish this first then we talk about the exceptions 22:46:37 ok 22:46:54 I don't have problems with projetofedora or proyectofedora domains, but I don't like people using fedora resources to promote that domains. 22:46:56 kovalevsky++ though I didn't say it wasn't. I think it is, but some people seem to believe it isn't 22:47:14 I also would like to ask: adding to kovalevsky 's question: what makes a channel become official? 22:47:20 do we agree on this or are there any objections and why? 22:47:37 hey, there are a difference between our community domain and the official domain. 22:47:44 HakS: If I may answer you, I believe an official source means it reflects the opinions of Fedora Project. 22:47:51 what contents we should move to official domains 22:47:58 ? 22:48:24 If somehow the content conflicts with Fedora Project's interests/ideas, the space in which such content is shared [shouldn't be] official 22:48:41 I would like be in fedora channels and be part of fedora, but I don't like the idea of gomix making #fedora-latam his own channel that promote his domain. 22:48:41 HakS, if the domain has fedora zobot must be an official domain 22:48:41 since you need infra to do that for you it cannot be set by anyone else 22:49:24 aeperezt, got it. 22:49:31 itamarjp, again I say, there are a difference between community domains and official domains 22:49:51 echevemaster, what is the difference 22:50:09 fedora-latam is an official fedora irc channel 22:50:26 so it must show the support of the fedora domain 22:50:28 proyectofedora.org is our domain for contents that can't be hosted in infra, why dissapear that? 22:50:48 echevemaster, yes 22:50:53 aeperezt and neville have local domains 22:51:08 and I never see him promoting these domains using fedora resources. 22:51:31 but if we put that on our banners and other promotional places then we are pomotin that site not the real domain 22:51:54 echevemaster: If there's a content Fedora Project doesn't agree with, you're free to host such content in your website. But you shouldn't promote it in a fedora official channel becose it conflicts with Fedora's philosophy 22:52:14 mribeirodantas, +1 22:52:38 mribeirodantas, +1 22:52:51 I'm complety according with mribeirodantas. 22:52:58 i dont entiendo mucho 22:53:11 that part is what brings me to the other matter 22:53:26 so, What we doing with proyectofedora.org? dissapear, remove? 22:53:27 we need to define what is going to be used those domains for 22:53:37 completely* 22:53:52 I don't like the idea of remove. 22:54:10 echevemaster, lets vote on that 22:54:23 As ambassadors, we're the face of Fedora. If you want to suggest to a friend of yours fedora-hack.yupi, you must say it's not an official source for Fedora. 22:54:32 who thinks fedora-latam irc banner needs to promote oficial domain only? 22:54:33 That it may offer you things Fedora Project doesn't agree with 22:54:41 Removal is not the answer. But you must make it clear to the users 22:54:46 aeperezt: _o/ 22:54:51 +1 22:54:56 TonetJallo: it's pretty simple. we have a project website with the whole content and infrastructure 22:55:04 +1 22:55:16 I think that the idea isn't remove it. But we should try don't point those resources in official channels. 22:55:31 kovalevsky, +1 22:55:35 ok lvaz 22:55:40 There's also something else. It saddens me that we have so few people working on translations, for example. But then there's a bunch of people willing to teach on how to install Adobe Flash and Wine in Fedora. It's sad 22:56:15 mribeirodantas, please do not go away of the subject 22:56:24 You didn't get my point, aeperezt 22:56:36 When people spend efforts in non-official domains, less people work in official domains 22:56:39 Translation was an example. 22:56:50 If we focus on official domains, we can improve them. Not only with translation, but with content and so on 22:57:01 aeperezt: +1 22:57:04 mribeirodantas +1 22:57:22 mribeirodantas: +1 22:57:28 ! 22:57:38 the other matter with the domains is what to have in there danielbruno to anwser your previus question, we should only use it for things we cannot do on official domain 22:57:43 I'm a bit confused. remove to the banner 22:57:48 or remove the site? 22:57:57 By banner he meant the take it off the topic at #fedora-latam 22:58:01 s/the/to 22:58:03 echevemaster, remove the site from the banner 22:58:06 +1 to remove the banner 22:58:18 oh, obviosly the banners too 22:58:18 replaced with fedoraproject.org/es 22:58:19 + remove the site from the banner 22:58:20 ok, so. we can to do that. 22:58:36 because is the official domain 22:58:40 aeperezt: +1 22:58:47 I'm agree with that, the banner 22:58:54 but, not remove the site. 22:58:54 ok 22:59:01 echevemaster: exactly. 22:59:14 echevemaster: exactly. 22:59:20 ok. 22:59:33 you have my vote then +1 22:59:37 +1 22:59:44 #agreed remove the proyectofedora.org from fedora lata irc channel 22:59:51 +1 22:59:54 I'm agree with the others. For those people that will coming to the channel, they need to be redirect (if they want to know more about the project) to official domains. 22:59:57 I understand now. 23:00:03 now 23:00:08 +1 23:00:09 +1 23:00:22 +1 23:00:30 the other issue with non oficial domains 23:00:30 is what to do with them 23:00:48 I don't like the idea of duplicating things 23:00:55 Me neither. 23:00:56 my suggest is to redirect to the official url 23:01:11 danielbruno: +1 23:01:18 danielbruno: +1 23:01:19 and maybe use sub domains to specific things 23:01:25 I hadn't thought of that, but that's such a great idea 23:01:28 danielbruno: +1 23:01:32 danielbruno: +1 23:01:36 ok 23:01:37 like for the idea of using subdomains 23:01:37 for instance having a wiki on that domain is point less, as we can write on the official domain with no problem on spanish 23:01:41 aeperezt +1 23:01:50 for the officil url with the language detected on the browser 23:01:55 danielbruno, +1 23:02:13 a wiki is not necessary, we already have the official 23:02:18 Indeed. 23:02:23 we should redirecto to official domain and have subdomains for specific cases 23:02:37 If we don't have duplicating things about the things that we're doing in latam, I agree with the option about redirect to the official site. 23:02:46 like the issue with ask until ask.fedoraproject.org solve the language issue 23:02:55 It's more clear for the new user. 23:02:55 think echevemaster has been working on that 23:03:16 not there a preoblem with install ask.fedoraproject.org in spanish 23:03:24 danielbruno, that anwser your question 23:03:25 the problem is about packaging 23:03:30 aeperezt, yes 23:03:48 we can to do an instance of ask in spanish 23:03:53 I already have an instance of askbot hosted on Openshift 23:03:55 but this not wouldbe official 23:04:26 echevemaster, we need to keep pushing to have all we need to support multilanguage and solve the issue 23:04:26 and about the dns hosting 23:04:51 where we'll host? 23:05:03 danielbruno, then for now we can have a subdomain pointing to ask on portuguese 23:05:17 so guys 23:05:19 aeperezt, i mean the dns servers 23:05:24 buenas tardes, disculpen la tardanza 23:05:27 we can to do a instance provisional, yes or not 23:05:28 the both domains are in my servers 23:05:30 thoughts? 23:05:32 with my accounts 23:05:32 danielbruno, we have the bluehost space 23:05:33 ! 23:05:35 .fas cevillacorta 23:05:35 if needed 23:05:35 cevillacorta: cevillacorta 'CESAR R. VILLACORTA ROJAS' 23:05:46 on aws and dreamhost 23:05:54 hi cevillacorta 23:06:01 aeperezt, great 23:06:05 lvaz, go ahead 23:06:20 point projetofedora.org to the main project website and ask.projetofedora.org to the openshift instance 23:06:37 hello HakS 23:06:38 we keep promoting the domain 23:06:49 lvaz, +1 23:06:51 I believe the OpenShift instance should be hosted in Fedora Project infra. 23:06:51 but it will point to the official website 23:07:09 so then I will to do the same with the proyectofedora side 23:07:11 lvaz: +1 23:07:15 lvaz, +1 23:07:30 mribeirodantas, I know infra is working on something so we can have subsites on fedoracommunity.org 23:07:36 Great. 23:07:36 openshift instance == where the askbot will be hosted 23:07:37 but it is not ready yeat 23:07:52 I see. 23:07:53 lvaz: +1 23:08:19 hey guys. ! 23:08:26 Go ahead echevemaster 23:08:44 I want to know your thoughts about to do the same with proyectofedora.org? 23:08:50 ask.proyectofedora.org 23:08:56 well, I vote the same +1 23:08:56 provisional? 23:09:34 echevemaster, same think as brasil while ask.fedoraproject.org cannot handle multilanguage we will have to 23:09:43 same situation echevemaster, point proyectofedora.org to the official domain and ask.proyectofedora.org to an askbot instance; 23:10:16 ok lvaz. 23:10:21 but our goal as fedora members, packagers and infra members is we need to figure out what is needed to suppor mutililanguage 23:10:27 we keep promoting both websites, and the only difference is that from here on everything will point to the official project :) 23:10:42 aeperezt, exactly, I'm agree with you. 23:10:46 aeperezt: sure 23:11:03 aeperezt: well, Ask Fedora is a must, when it comes to multi-language support 23:11:20 guys again 23:11:29 ask have multilanguage support 23:11:41 echevemaster: My comment was regarding aeperezt's statement ... 23:11:45 I didn't say it doesn't have 23:11:48 and can be hosted in spanish. 23:11:56 20:10 < aeperezt> but our goal as fedora members, packagers and infra members is we need to figure out what is needed to suppor mutililanguage 23:11:58 but need work yet 23:12:11 I only shared that I think Ask Fedora is a must. That's it :) 23:12:15 and the main projectofedora.org and projetofedora.org must be redirect to fedoraproject.org/es and fedoraproject.org/pr_BR 23:12:47 ok 23:12:52 vote for that. 23:13:09 +1 23:13:10 lets vote 23:13:12 +1 23:13:13 +1 23:13:15 +1 23:13:16 +1 23:13:16 +1 23:13:20 +1 23:13:23 +1 23:13:27 +1 23:13:31 +1 23:13:34 +1 23:13:49 +1 23:14:02 +1 23:14:34 #agreed redirect projectofedora.org and projetofedora.org must to fedoraproject.org/es and fedoraproject.org/pr_BR 23:14:46 you mean fedoraproject.org/pt_BR 23:14:46 and what will happen to the sites of each country, can be maintained? 23:14:50 pt_BR, aeperezt 23:15:14 alexove, i think that the subdomain can be redirect too 23:15:22 http://fedoraproject.org/pt_BR/ 23:15:26 hey 23:15:39 i.e peru.proyectofedora can be redirect to fedoraproject.org/es 23:15:39 proyectofedora.org have a planet 23:15:54 danielbruno: +1 23:16:03 hey, that is other thing 23:16:12 more simple 23:16:12 echevemaster, then have planet.proyectofedora.org 23:16:50 echevemaster: simple, point it to main planet and ask people to sindicate their blogs there. :) 23:17:06 lvaz +1 23:17:08 yes iknow lvaz 23:17:10 lvaz, +1 23:17:21 lvaz, I like that solution better 23:17:24 but those subdomains have contents. 23:17:45 echevemaster +1 23:17:49 lvaz: +1 23:17:50 echevemaster, in any case we need to check if there are people posting on that planet that is not on fedora planet already 23:17:53 aeperezt: which one? :) 23:18:12 lvaz, the proyectofedora.org planet 23:18:35 unfortunately, a lot of content will be lost 23:18:37 echevemaster, what subdomains 23:18:51 peru.proyectofedora.org have contents 23:18:58 we have a planet and info link at http://fedora.org.ni 23:19:03 argentina.proyectofedora.org have contents 23:19:04 danielbruno, must of this somains has like a year down 23:19:22 aeperezt, i know 23:19:22 so I do not think content that is that old has a meaning now 23:19:29 we hace contents too 23:19:40 *have* 23:19:40