03:30:13 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora APAC 2013-08-03
03:30:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Aug  3 03:30:13 2013 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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03:30:14 <dramsey> +1 Ankur
03:30:17 <ekoikhyar_> hai dramsey :(
03:30:18 <ekoikhyar_> )
03:30:26 <ekoikhyar_> :D
03:30:26 <FranciscoD> #meetingname Fedora APAC 2013-08-03
03:30:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_apac_2013-08-03'
03:30:31 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
03:30:31 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
03:30:36 <zerng07> .fas zerng07
03:30:37 <FreedomKnight> .fas freedomknight
03:30:37 <zodbot> zerng07: zerng07 'Cheng-Chia Tseng' <pswo10680@gmail.com>
03:30:38 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey zerng07 ekoikhyar_ MarkDude
03:30:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MarkDude dramsey ekoikhyar_ zerng07
03:30:40 <zodbot> FreedomKnight: freedomknight 'GuiXin, Chen' <j26733514@gmail.com>
03:30:45 <FranciscoD> #chair FreedomKnight
03:30:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude dramsey ekoikhyar_ zerng07
03:30:45 <suresht> .fas suresht
03:30:45 <zodbot> suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' <sureshp8@gmail.com>
03:30:49 <FranciscoD> #topic init process
03:30:50 <renodesper> .fas renodesper
03:30:51 <zodbot> renodesper: renodesper 'Boy Sandy Gladies Arriezona' <reno.esper@gmail.com>
03:30:56 <ekoikhyar_> .fas ekoikhyar
03:30:58 <zodbot> ekoikhyar_: ekoikhyar 'eko ikhyar' <ikhyar.com@gmail.com>
03:31:02 <dramsey> :D
03:31:04 <FranciscoD> #chair suresht renodesper
03:31:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude dramsey ekoikhyar_ renodesper suresht zerng07
03:31:13 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis ankursinha
03:31:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
03:31:29 <dramsey> .hellomynameis dramsey
03:31:29 <FranciscoD> Any one else in? :)
03:31:30 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
03:31:33 <dramsey> :D
03:31:38 <dramsey> I am here.
03:31:46 <FranciscoD> This week's meeting agenda is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-08-03#Agenda
03:32:06 <FranciscoD> Seeing that we have new people here, I propose we have an quick introduction first?
03:32:09 <FranciscoD> dramsey: what say?
03:32:16 <dramsey> Sure.
03:32:21 <dramsey> Greetings from Fedora 19, dramsey.
03:32:22 <dramsey> ;)
03:32:23 <dramsey> eof
03:32:53 <FranciscoD> FreedomKnight: zerng07 renodesper : Please say a few words to introduce yourselves. A link to your Fedora User pages will also be good to have.
03:32:54 <dramsey> +1 Ankur
03:33:08 <FranciscoD> As always, ! to request a statement, ? to request a question and EOF when you're done
03:33:30 <dramsey> +`
03:33:34 <dramsey> +1
03:33:49 <zerng07> Hi, I am  a ambassador in Taiwan, now preparing f19 release party.
03:34:00 <renodesper> Sure, here is my page: fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Renodesper
03:34:17 <FranciscoD> zerng07: mentored by Tuan?
03:34:24 <renodesper> I'm from Indonesia
03:34:33 <zerng07> I was mentored by kaio.
03:34:41 <FranciscoD> zerng07: Ah. Great. Good to know.
03:34:48 <FranciscoD> renodesper: what about you?
03:35:05 <FreedomKnight> i'm co-organizer of release party in Taiwan
03:35:06 <renodesper> I was mentored by kaio too
03:35:24 <FranciscoD> renodesper: ++
03:35:26 <renodesper> well, I met him him in fudcon last year
03:35:33 <FranciscoD> renodesper: at KL?
03:35:37 * FranciscoD was there at KL too
03:35:39 <ekoikhyar_> renodesper, as for https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90 :)
03:35:43 <FranciscoD> I must have met you then :)
03:35:48 <ekoikhyar_> ask
03:35:56 <renodesper> yes I was there
03:36:16 <FranciscoD> Ok. You're all welcome to our APAC team.
03:36:26 <FranciscoD> Hopefully we'll see you folks regularly at our meetings.
03:36:36 <FranciscoD> Moving on with the agenda
03:36:47 <FranciscoD> #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-08-03#Announcements
03:36:53 <FranciscoD> Any announcements to make?
03:37:03 * FranciscoD thinks..
03:37:10 <renodesper> I want to submit a ticket for the release party
03:37:15 <FranciscoD> renodesper: ok, hold on, we'll discuss that later.
03:37:22 <renodesper> oh okay
03:37:24 <FranciscoD> dramsey: any announcements?
03:37:36 <dramsey> No here, FranciscoD, eof
03:37:54 <FranciscoD> I have one, not really an announcement, but worth mentioning.
03:38:12 <FranciscoD> The QA team is sending out T-shirts to everyone who helped test during the F19 Alpha/Beta/Release period.
03:38:39 <FranciscoD> Please check the planet for kparal's "Heros of Fedora testing" blog post series.
03:38:51 <FranciscoD> If you want yourself a T shirt, start helping with QA!
03:39:04 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing
03:39:11 <FranciscoD> That's all from me.
03:39:14 <dramsey> +1
03:39:24 <FranciscoD> If there aren't any other announcements, I'll move to the next topic.
03:39:47 <FranciscoD> #topic review action items from last meeting
03:39:56 <FranciscoD> I don't see any that need review. Moving on.
03:40:04 <dramsey> +1
03:40:07 <FranciscoD> oh wait
03:40:19 <FranciscoD> #action KageSenshi buy everyone light sabers
03:40:24 <dramsey> #chair tuanta_
03:40:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude dramsey ekoikhyar_ renodesper suresht tuanta_ zerng07
03:40:27 <FranciscoD> Now we can move on ;)
03:40:29 <zerng07> Good news!
03:40:36 <FranciscoD> #topic trac tickets
03:40:41 <FranciscoD> #chair alick
03:40:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude alick dramsey ekoikhyar_ renodesper suresht tuanta_ zerng07
03:40:45 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-08-03#Trac_tickets
03:40:56 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
03:42:07 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/91 -> Release party in Beijing
03:42:56 <FranciscoD> Requirement: 96.3 USD
03:43:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Beijing
03:43:34 <FranciscoD> alick: this one is yours?
03:43:57 <alick> FranciscoD: yes
03:44:02 <alick> plz review it.
03:44:11 <tuanta_> it's fine at me; just clarify that all information should be in English for transparency
03:44:36 <FranciscoD> ++
03:44:39 <FranciscoD> Looks good to me too.
03:44:42 <MarkDude> Looks good
03:44:58 <alick> tuanta: The Chinese text are just tranlations for exsiting English parts.
03:45:18 <MarkDude> +1 for showing off 3D printing :)
03:45:19 <alick> tuanta: to help some Chinsese guys ;)
03:45:42 <tuanta> alick: you refer to some meeting logs, most of them are in Chinese. we do not understand anything at all
03:46:23 <alick> tuanta: oh, you mean the meeting logs.
03:46:37 <tuanta> I am talking about both
03:47:08 <alick> tuanta: ok. Not sure how to handle the meeting log case...
03:47:24 <suresht> +1 OpenShift & Cloud by Gbraad, eof
03:47:49 <dramsey> +1
03:47:49 <FranciscoD> The meeting logs are fine I think. They're probably for planning.
03:48:07 <FranciscoD> I'm happy with the details in the wiki page for something as small as a release party
03:48:26 <alick> tuanta: most people here are more familiar with Chinese.
03:48:36 <tuanta> alick: it's worth to do meetings in English. I am not sure whatwould happen if any of you can not use English in such a world wide community like Fedora
03:48:48 <tuanta> so, please use English as most as possible
03:48:56 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I agree with that part.
03:49:09 <FranciscoD> It's good to use your regional language, but you should try to use English as much as possible.
03:49:18 <zerng07> +1
03:49:20 <alick> tuanta: I already try to write the info, actions in English.
03:49:22 <dramsey> +1
03:49:27 <FranciscoD> Otherwise you'll have a tough time interacting with the rest of the community
03:49:40 <FranciscoD> tuanta: should we vote on the event, if you haven't other concerns?
03:50:14 <tuanta> imagine, if each of us use local language in Fedora activities.... I can not start imagining :)
03:50:20 <tuanta> yes, voting
03:50:26 <FranciscoD> +1
03:50:31 <FreedomKnight> +1
03:50:37 <suresht> +1
03:50:41 <zerng07> +1
03:50:41 <tuanta> +1
03:51:05 <dramsey> +1
03:51:30 <MarkDude> +1
03:51:34 <FranciscoD> +7/-0
03:51:42 <FranciscoD> #agreed fund alick 's Release party
03:51:50 <alick> thx you guys :)
03:51:51 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval information
03:52:03 <FranciscoD> Next: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90
03:52:12 <FranciscoD> Release party Aceh, Indonesia
03:52:29 <tuanta> #idea People can use local languages. However, we should use English as most as possible in Fedora activities/stuffs, especially, online ones (meetings, wikis, etc.)
03:52:39 <FranciscoD> Requirement 219 USD
03:53:03 <FranciscoD> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Aceh
03:53:22 <tuanta> I think it's a bit high
03:53:33 <FranciscoD> I somehow feel the food and drink at 100USD is high too tuanta
03:53:53 <FranciscoD> Release parties should be around 100 USD in general.
03:54:00 <tuanta> AFAIS, most of items are expensive. How expensive is in Indonesia?
03:54:39 <tuanta> $64 for 50 DVD; comparison to $36 in China (just approved)
03:54:45 <tuanta> for instance
03:54:46 <FranciscoD> ++
03:55:00 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I'd like jurrak around so we can clarify this stuff up
03:55:13 <FranciscoD> The date is 27 July
03:55:17 <FranciscoD> wtf?
03:55:30 <FranciscoD> The ticket was opened 4 days ago
03:55:42 <FranciscoD> so 29th July
03:55:49 <FranciscoD> tuanta: another case of ticket being filed after the event.
03:55:59 <tuanta> it's about $1 for 3 DVD in Vietnam
03:55:59 <FranciscoD> We need to talk to the Indonesia folks about this.
03:56:06 <tuanta> oh, after the event again?
03:56:08 <renodesper> ah jurank can't come, he is stuck in the place with bad connection
03:56:24 <tuanta> a bad experience :(
03:56:36 <FranciscoD> renodesper: are you part of the organizing team?
03:56:46 <renodesper> no I'm not
03:56:50 <FranciscoD> Tickets *have* to be filed and approved before the event.
03:57:45 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I say we comment on the ticket and leave it for the time being
03:57:45 <tuanta> any #info or something noted here?
03:57:54 <FranciscoD> #info Tickets *have* to be filed and approved before the event.
03:58:04 <dramsey> :)
03:58:37 <tuanta> yes, it should be reviewed later, because of event owner absence as well as the too-high cost
03:58:57 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket 90 to be reviewed later in the presence of the organizer
03:59:13 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Would you comment reminding them that the ticket has to be approved before the event?
03:59:17 <FranciscoD> please?
03:59:30 <tuanta> yes, I will do now
03:59:44 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I think we need to send out an email to the list about this also.
03:59:46 <FreedomKnight> i'm co-orginazer
03:59:48 <FranciscoD> A reminder.
04:00:00 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:00:05 <FranciscoD> FreedomKnight: ah. Has the event already happened?
04:00:33 <FreedomKnight> no, 8/11
04:00:53 <FranciscoD> Then your wiki pages etc are not up to date
04:00:54 <FranciscoD> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Aceh
04:01:01 <alick> The report link has been posted on the wiki page...
04:01:40 <tuanta> it has been done, I thinl
04:01:46 <FranciscoD> this is confusing
04:01:47 <tuanta> s/thinl/think
04:01:53 <FranciscoD> http://atjehlink.com/kpli-aceh-gelar-release-party-fedora-19/ even has a photo
04:01:54 <FreedomKnight> sorry, because of some reason we change the date
04:02:20 <FranciscoD> FreedomKnight: but the photo?
04:02:37 <FranciscoD> Also, we suggest generic banners which can be reused
04:02:38 <tuanta> but photos and reports?
04:02:50 <FreedomKnight> photos?
04:02:59 <FranciscoD> http://atjehlink.com/kpli-aceh-gelar-release-party-fedora-19/
04:03:04 <FranciscoD> has a photo
04:03:15 <FranciscoD> why are these people reporting an event that hasn't happened? :/
04:03:37 <tuanta> we can see the reports with a photo here:  the ticket has to be approved before the event?
04:03:42 <FranciscoD> This needs to be looked into. We'll do it via comments on the ticket.
04:03:43 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ^
04:03:47 <tuanta> sorry: here http://atjehlink.com/kpli-aceh-gelar-release-party-fedora-19/
04:03:51 <tuanta> :)
04:04:17 <tuanta> in that photo, people handle a banner with a specific date
04:04:28 <tuanta> 27th of Aug, you can see
04:04:40 <tuanta> sorry, 27th of July
04:04:43 <tuanta> :)
04:04:56 <FreedomKnight> the people in photos no taiwanese
04:05:20 <tuanta> FreedomKnight: you are a Taiwanese?
04:05:25 <FreedomKnight> yes
04:05:37 * MavJS believes we're talking about F19 Release party at Indonesia not Taiwan..
04:05:42 <tuanta> oh, we are discussing about an Indonesia event :)
04:05:55 <FreedomKnight> i'm sorry
04:05:58 <tuanta> Aceh! :)
04:06:17 <tuanta> a big confused :)
04:06:23 <tuanta> FreedomKnight: no problem
04:06:59 <FreedomKnight> i will wait for next ticket
04:07:26 <suresht> leave the command on ticket then we can refer in the next meeting
04:07:39 <dramsey> +1
04:08:03 <suresht> FreedomKnight, you are with Zerng07 right?
04:08:09 <FreedomKnight> yes
04:08:19 <suresht> ok fine :)
04:08:29 <suresht> zerng07, back
04:08:48 <suresht> then we can move to next ticket? ping FranciscoD
04:09:02 <zerng07> yeah.
04:09:14 <alick> maybe we can move to the Taiwan ticket.
04:09:30 <zerng07> +1
04:09:56 <FreedomKnight> +1
04:09:57 <suresht> zerng07, place your wiki page until FranciscoD come back
04:10:23 <zerng07> OK
04:10:39 <zerng07> Here it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Taipei
04:10:55 <dramsey> +1
04:11:16 <suresht> fine with date Aug 11, 2013
04:12:13 <suresht> how much budget that you are expecting? wiki page does not have full info
04:12:26 <zerng07> Total 139.42
04:12:31 <zerng07> oh
04:12:36 <zerng07> 143.92...
04:12:48 <zerng07> I wrote at the last
04:12:59 <suresht> zerng07, you have list down everything in wiki
04:13:24 * suresht unable to find
04:13:25 <zerng07> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/89
04:13:30 <suresht> ok
04:13:39 <zerng07> Please see the ticket instead.
04:14:01 <zerng07> I have not updated the wiki page... :P
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> 27th July tuanta :P
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> Moving on to the next ticket for the time being.
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> We can come back to this one if we have time later
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/89 -> Fedora release party F19 Taipei
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Taipei
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> Aug 11
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> Requirement: 143USD
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> FreedomKnight: you're a co-organizer for this one. Did you confuse the other ticket for this one? :P
04:14:06 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I think this one's OK. It's above 100, but that's because of the extra travel.
04:14:29 <FreedomKnight> no
04:14:59 <suresht> altogether 143.92USD i do not think that cant vote without proper wiki page, what d you think dramsey
04:15:03 <dramsey> #chair FranciscoD
04:15:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude alick dramsey ekoikhyar_ renodesper suresht tuanta_ zerng07
04:15:04 * tuanta on the phone
04:15:14 <dramsey> ?
04:15:23 <suresht> dramsey, pls
04:15:29 <dramsey> Do you think the wiki be updated?  eof
04:15:40 <suresht> dramsey, yes should be
04:15:55 <dramsey> ? is that an #action eof
04:15:57 * tuanta is back now
04:15:58 <dramsey> #chair tuanta
04:15:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight MarkDude alick dramsey ekoikhyar_ renodesper suresht tuanta tuanta_ zerng07
04:16:00 <zerng07> OK, I can update that.
04:16:05 <dramsey> +1
04:16:07 <suresht> so zerng07 can you update the wiki page with all list down info's
04:16:16 <zerng07> Yes.
04:16:28 <suresht> zerng07, so your event will be 11/08 right?
04:16:30 <FranciscoD> I understand that the extra 40 is for travel, so it has my +1
04:16:40 <zerng07> Yes.
04:16:48 <dramsey> +1
04:16:52 <zerng07> it will be Aug 11.
04:17:09 <suresht> FranciscoD, pls take the chair
04:17:22 <FranciscoD> suresht: I've got to go, please continue :)
04:17:29 <suresht> zerng07, so you need get approved now
04:17:32 <tuanta> I see it's fine too
04:17:35 <dramsey> Thank you, Ankur.  ;)  eof
04:17:51 <zerng07> yes, suresht.
04:18:20 <suresht> dramsey, tuanta what do you think of this https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/89 and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Taipei
04:18:43 <tuanta> I see it's fine enough too
04:18:50 <dramsey> +1 make comments move forward.  concur 100% with Tuanta
04:18:52 <dramsey> taun
04:18:53 <dramsey> tuan
04:19:05 <suresht> so shall we cast vote now?
04:19:29 <zerng07> +1
04:19:30 <FreedomKnight> yes
04:19:45 <alick> +1
04:19:55 <dramsey> +1
04:19:57 <ekoikhyar_> +1
04:19:59 <tuanta> just a small comment: next times, release parties should be organized in a month from release date
04:20:01 <tuanta> +1
04:20:02 <MarkDude> +1
04:20:07 <renodesper> +1
04:20:13 <suresht> +1
04:20:15 <dramsey> +1 with Tuan - tuanta
04:20:16 <biergaizi> +1
04:20:16 <dramsey> ;)
04:20:50 <zerng07> Yes, tuanta.
04:20:57 <suresht> #action tuanta will update the ticket with approve status https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/89
04:21:05 <suresht> done
04:21:18 <zerng07> We postponed the date from 7/16 to 8/11 because we are not prepared well.
04:21:49 <zerng07> eof
04:22:06 <suresht> zerng07, ok fine update reports with photos one you done
04:22:20 <dramsey> +1
04:22:22 <zerng07> Sure! :)
04:22:22 <suresht> anything else to discuss
04:22:26 <zerng07> +1
04:22:26 <dramsey> ?
04:22:31 <suresht> dramsey, pls
04:22:35 <dramsey> ? a #action for wiki update and review on 08/17?  eof
04:22:50 <suresht> dramsey, indeed
04:23:29 <suresht> #action zerng07 should update the wiki page with all proper info's  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Taipei
04:23:40 <dramsey> +1 Go Fedora Team Taipei.  :)  eof
04:23:59 <suresht> any tickets are available to talk ?
04:24:30 <zerng07> Thank you dramsey.
04:24:31 <tuanta> #agreed Approve fund for ticket #89 for F19 release party in Taiwan
04:25:07 <suresht> so shall we move to next topic?
04:25:22 <FreedomKnight> +1
04:25:27 <tuanta> I see no more tickets to discuss in https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:25:33 <suresht> ok
04:25:51 <suresht> #topic pen Floor
04:26:02 <suresht> #undo
04:26:02 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x23b6eb10>
04:26:12 <suresht> #topic open floor
04:26:44 <tuanta> anything else to discuss today?
04:26:53 <MarkDude> !
04:27:00 <suresht> not from me either
04:27:08 <suresht> MarkDude, pls
04:27:09 <MarkDude> Geeknics, we need more picnics. eof
04:27:13 <MarkDude> :)
04:27:17 <suresht> :)
04:27:26 <suresht> dramsey, you have any?
04:27:36 <dramsey> nothing here, go Fedora!  eof
04:27:37 <dramsey> :D
04:27:43 <tuanta> it's a really good idea, MarkDude
04:27:50 <dramsey> :D  Thank you, Suresh and Ankur for chairing.  :D
04:27:52 * suresht 2 more mint's to go
04:28:12 <dramsey> ? We need someone to post minutes, eof?
04:28:25 <tuanta> suresht, as usual :)
04:28:30 <dramsey> :)
04:28:34 <tuanta> thank you, suresht
04:28:37 <suresht> tuanta, sure
04:28:55 <tuanta> ok, lets end the meeting now
04:28:56 <suresht> so shall we end the meeting now :D
04:29:04 <tuanta> I will update tickets
04:29:05 <dramsey> Until 08/17
04:29:05 <dramsey> ;)
04:29:10 <dramsey> +1
04:29:15 <zerng07> +!
04:29:15 <suresht> folks, really thanks for coming :)
04:29:17 <zerng07> +1
04:29:21 <FreedomKnight> +1
04:29:28 <suresht> #endmeeting