04:00:31 #startmeeting Fedora APAC meeting 2013-04-20 04:00:31 Meeting started Sat Apr 20 04:00:31 2013 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:37 :D 04:00:42 #meetingname Fedora APAC meeting 2013-04-20 04:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_apac_meeting_2013-04-20' 04:00:47 halp! 04:00:49 #chair dramsey tuanta 04:00:49 Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey tuanta 04:00:59 #topic init process 04:01:03 .fas 04:01:03 udinnet: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 04:01:07 .fas ankursinha 04:01:07 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:01:08 .fas tuanta 04:01:11 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:11 .fas dramsey 04:01:12 .fas udinnet 04:01:14 .fas suresht 04:01:17 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:01:20 udinnet: udinnet 'Uditha Bandara Wijerathna' 04:01:23 Suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:01:41 * FranciscoD waits a minute for any late comers 04:02:11 OK. Moving on. 04:02:19 taunta just came online 04:02:24 #info agenda #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-04-20#Agenda 04:02:29 tuanta: he's here already :) 04:02:36 * masta lurks 04:02:41 :) 04:02:44 Please open up the agenda, we'll mark off items as we go through it. 04:02:47 ah 04:03:19 As always, please wait your turn to speak: !, ? to request a turn, eof when done 04:03:24 #topic Announcements 04:03:35 Does any one have any announcements to make? 04:04:13 Fedora Alpha should be out soon, as far as I remember. All testing will be appreciated. 04:04:24 +1 04:04:39 Do remember that the debug kernels are on at the moment, and your system will feel sluggish in general 04:05:03 #info F19 Alpha in place. All testing appreciated. 04:05:22 If no other announcements, I'll move to the next item on the agenda 04:05:25 * FranciscoD waits 30 seconds before moving in 04:05:28 s/in/on/ 04:05:38 yup 04:05:40 tuanta: anything from famsco? 04:05:45 Flock to NA this August :) 04:06:04 inode0: aha! Why's that? FUDCon? 04:06:24 Flock is the thing replacing FUDCon 04:06:34 So lame play on words 04:06:39 lol 04:06:52 I was not aware of "Flock". What list is this being discussed on inode0 ? 04:07:04 fyi http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/flock-planning/ 04:07:11 +1 04:07:14 we have a new list? 04:07:24 and flockinfo and the sort of announcement was on fudcon-planning 04:07:45 ? 04:07:49 dramsey: go 04:07:52 Flock location. eof 04:08:08 inode0: would you know ^? 04:08:10 Likely Charleston, SC but not definite quite yet 04:08:26 +1 04:08:56 #task APAC general: read and stay up to date on "Flock" 04:09:19 #action APAC general: read and stay up to date on "Flock" 04:09:29 Okay, good to know. Moving on 04:09:50 FranciscoD: flock will be expecting ppl from around the world but it's limited. 04:09:51 #topic Review action items from last meeting 04:10:19 Suresht: we'll have to see about flock :) 04:10:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-04-20#Review_action_items_from_last_meeting 04:10:32 #info Not sure how up to date these action items are 04:11:10 I'm leaving ticket 70 for the time being. Will discuss it under trac tickets 04:11:12 #chair Suresht udinnet 04:11:14 :) 04:11:29 #chair Suresht udinnet 04:11:29 Current chairs: FranciscoD Suresht dramsey tuanta udinnet 04:11:44 #info tuanta to bring Regional budget for FY2014 to FAmSCo meeting then report back to APAC in the next meeting -> already done 04:12:07 ! 04:12:11 tuanta: go 04:12:16 current stage: 04:12:46 as you know, budget allocation is smaller than what we proposed 04:13:08 so you should update your proposal 04:13:22 +1 04:13:22 then I will bring those updates back to FAmSCo in the next meeting 04:13:26 #info: APAC please update budget proposals ASAP 04:13:31 ? 04:13:41 tuanta: eof? 04:14:08 I got updates from some of you 04:14:32 I need all of you who proposed budget plans to update 04:14:38 your proposals 04:14:42 +1 04:14:51 tuanta: I think we've sent *enough* reminders. 04:15:07 otherwise, I will have to deduct each items by 30% 04:15:22 pls share us with budget wiki page? 04:15:26 tuanta: I think that's fair enough 04:15:26 okie, I will do the *automatic* solution :) 04:15:41 eof 04:15:53 Suresht: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/72 04:16:18 thanks FranciscoD . 04:16:22 I'm surprised to see that the link is required, given that this has been under discussion for a while now ;) 04:16:28 dramsey: go, if you still have that question 04:16:33 deadline for updates feedback? eof 04:17:24 :) 04:17:30 tuanta: I can't find the deadline on the trac ticket. Can you maybe comment, just stating "DEADLINE = yyyymmdd"? 04:17:45 So it's crystal clear to everyone? 04:17:52 +1 04:18:09 Otherwise you'll always have people making changes after the deadline saying "I didn't see the deadline, sorry" 04:18:30 +1 04:18:36 #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/72#comment:4 -> Tuan will make necessary changes to all budgets that are not updated by the deadline. 04:18:47 thanks 04:18:57 I will take this action 04:19:00 #action tuanta Comment on ticket mentioning the deadline 04:19:04 #undo 04:19:04 Removing item from minutes: 04:19:13 #action tuanta Comment on ticket #72 mentioning the deadline 04:19:30 Next review item: 04:19:34 tuanta to open a new ticket to discuss more about organizing real get-something-done FADs in APAC 04:19:37 actually, deadline is over :) 04:19:49 +1 FranciscoD 04:19:51 tuanta: ah, really? 04:20:12 I suggest you comment, saying the deadline is over, and that you're going to go make changes. Even close the ticket maybe? 04:20:56 tuanta: about the get-something-done FADs ticket, I think you can do this once the budget is done? 04:21:11 yes, I will update the Budget wiki page myself 04:21:11 (You'll know the amount of funds you can use) 04:21:21 +1 04:21:25 yes, FranciscoD, we will push FAD toward 04:21:33 +1 04:21:49 #info Concentrate on FADs once the budget is finalized 04:21:53 any updates from Christoph? 04:22:24 tuanta: none to me. He's probably busy. Doesn't matter, we'll think up something ourselves once we start working on FADs. 04:22:49 +1 04:22:56 +1 04:23:07 #info Utilize FADs to increase APAC contribution to non ambassador teams 04:23:15 +1 04:23:18 Moving on to trac tickets 04:23:23 #topic Trac tickets 04:23:49 #info All tickets that need to be discussed at meetings MUST have the meeting keyword attached to them 04:23:52 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:24:12 Starting with #76 04:24:14 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/76 04:25:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nangthang/Fedora_Meetup_Danang_Apr_2013 04:25:11 yes, it's from Vietnam 04:25:23 nangthang: can you move the page from your user sub section to the main wiki? 04:25:33 .fas nangthang 04:25:33 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:25:46 * FranciscoD checks if it's listed on the events page 04:26:38 Doesn't look like it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY13_Q1_.28March_2012_-_May_2012.29_4 04:26:45 nangthang: please add the event to this wiki page 04:26:51 These are mandatory pre-requisites :) 04:26:52 +1 04:26:59 +1 04:27:10 FranciscoD: ok, i will move the wiki to other wiki page 04:27:23 +1 04:27:32 nangthang: great. The ticket says more people will attend. Can you list a few? 04:27:59 The wiki page mentions tuanta and you, currently 04:28:19 ah, and a few more folks. Okay. 04:28:25 yes, I support him as a mentor 04:28:28 * FranciscoD counts 4 folks 04:28:37 tuanta: Great :) 04:28:45 Let's vote then 04:29:23 reasonable +1 :) they have few more days 04:29:24 +1 from me. Looks like a great initiative from the Vietnam community. Tuan being the mentor makes me even more confident of the event's success 04:29:48 dramsey: udinnet : votes please? 04:30:23 tuanta: nangthang : can I trouble you folks to please mention the Fedora Join SIG in your talk on getting started with contributing to Fedora? 04:30:39 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG 04:30:40 good idea 04:31:13 +1 from me. ;) 04:31:21 +1 from me too 04:31:28 Okay, Thats a +4/-0: AGREED 04:31:37 +1 04:31:47 #info Ticket #76 APPROVED 04:31:50 thanks 04:32:06 #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval, assign to kital 04:32:16 yes, I am typing that :) 04:32:42 ticket #75 seems to be a duplicate 04:32:49 #info #75 duplicate of #76 04:32:54 #action FranciscoD close #75 04:33:06 Im sorry internet problem :( 04:33:14 im sorry 04:33:17 ! 04:33:19 nangthang: no worries 04:33:20 udinnet: go 04:33:20 yes, #75should be cancelled 04:33:42 I added #74 to page 04:33:46 I'll close the ticket #75 04:33:48 yea #75 was copy of original 04:33:52 udinnet: to what page? 04:34:18 udinnet: it isn't on report 9. Was a meeting keyword added? 04:34:42 * FranciscoD refreshes 04:34:43 Yes 04:34:47 Ok. It's there now. 04:34:53 ;) 04:34:55 Please do it in advance from next time though 04:35:13 Im sorry it is so hard to type letters from mobile 04:35:27 I just added that 04:35:32 No worries 04:35:40 Next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/74 04:36:06 I think the costs are pretty refined 04:36:26 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F18_University_of_Rajarata 04:36:33 udinnet: May I know who the target audience is? 04:36:47 The talks are on LVM, and r-pi. 04:36:51 Are these beginner level talks? 04:37:07 We,re planning to have around 200 04:37:19 udinnet: yes, but who are these 200 people? 04:37:25 New university students? 04:37:41 New and seniors :) 04:37:50 Most of the. 04:37:54 udinnet: what proportion of new/seniors do you expect in this 200? 04:38:26 Most of them will be seniors. 75 precent 04:38:35 Ok. Great. 04:38:39 +1 04:38:48 Talks will be medium level 04:38:48 sorry, It seems not planned in budget proposal? 04:39:02 I can not see it 04:39:41 I made the arrangement recently. 04:40:01 tuanta: I think you need to keep some budget aside for unplanned events.. 04:40:09 by some, I mean, a lot, actually. 04:40:22 yes, sure. just for clarification 04:40:31 udinnet: some quirks that I wan't you to be aware of: 04:40:36 1. "So there'll be a good potential to join lot of new contributors in to f.pro. ", but I don't see a talk on "Contribute to Fedora" 04:41:04 Yeah there will be more talks 04:41:24 Most of the time that talk will be delivered by buddhike 04:41:27 i was not involved this and i am far from this university but they had event in last year too. 04:41:27 ;) 04:41:29 also, it should be named as a Release Party because It's too far from a real release 04:42:00 He is quite busy these days 04:42:08 2. How important is the food here? I cannot help but notice that the price of food is the most. 04:42:12 and, +1 FranciscoD, we should have a talk "How to contribute to Fedora" in all our event 04:42:15 Suresht: +1 04:42:22 tuanta: do we have some numbers on the average expenditure for a release party? 04:42:43 probably should just buy chips 04:43:02 For example, mbuf's event, which is a much more advanced event is requiring about 300$. Is it fair to give a beginner level release party 400$? 04:43:07 it's about $150, FranciscoD 04:43:35 Okay we'll cut some amount from food 04:43:48 udinnet: is it possible to reduce the expenditure on food? It isn't that the funds aren't available, but we'd like to use them diligently. 04:43:51 but it depends on the event size a lot 04:43:53 I hope you understand what I mean. 04:44:21 +1 on event size and other comments. 04:44:47 tuanta: Yeah, it does. I still like DoverMo 's idea of just buying chips. After all, it is a release party, not a release dinner :) 04:44:50 Yes the main focus is SWAGS 04:45:12 :) 04:45:41 udinnet: the only swag that's listed there is stickers :/ 04:45:59 You can increase the amount of money you need for swag, maybe give out the cheat cube or something? 04:45:59 I can adjust the costs no worries.. 04:46:12 +1 04:46:20 +1 04:46:26 Okay, how about we just comment on this ticket for the time being, and we can approve it once all changes have been made? 04:46:34 tuanta: dramsey ^ what say? 04:46:54 yes, change it first 04:46:59 ;) 04:47:03 then we can back to review it 04:47:09 +1 comments as "meat" for data. 04:47:11 eof 04:47:23 #action udinnet Update ticket #74 with more detailed information 04:47:39 #info Approval for ticket #74 pending udinnet's updates 04:47:56 Sorry 04:48:09 ;) 04:48:11 Next ticket: 04:48:12 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/73 04:48:32 Another case of unplanned expenditure tuanta : https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/73#comment:1 04:48:45 This one really could not be helped though. 04:48:56 yes 04:49:06 It's an extra 95. Should be okay tuanta ? 04:49:39 I see It's reasonable 04:49:52 I think that brings the total for this event to 200 approx. The flights were 110 iirc. 04:50:19 +1 04:50:20 let's vote then 04:50:34 fine with me +1 04:50:39 +1 from me. It's a genuine request. mbuf's workshops are always great 04:50:44 +1 04:50:50 +1 04:50:51 yes, we approved $110 for flight 04:51:06 i always read his reports it's grate :) 04:51:10 then now $95 for hotel as well 04:51:13 +1 from me 04:51:19 okay 04:51:38 #info Ticket #73 APPROVED: +5/-0 04:51:53 #action FranciscoD to update ticket #73, assign to kital 04:52:19 Next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/70 04:52:31 I don't know what to do about this ticket here in the meeting frankly 04:52:47 I'd rather bckurera started with a plan in the ticket and then people joined in 04:53:06 It lacks specific information at the moment :/ 04:53:07 ? 04:53:09 dramsey: go 04:53:28 I hope to see others help manage budget, just in case people get busy., 04:53:29 eof 04:53:43 +1 04:53:58 tuanta: would you have someone in mind who could maybe assist you with the budget? 04:54:24 (Always good to have a backup: not related to current ticket. Let's take it in open floor) 04:54:37 tuanta: you have time to think until open floor ;) 04:54:44 dramsey: anything on ticket 70? 04:54:48 I will update a new version then bring back to you 04:55:15 okay, anything on #70 tuanta, udinnet Suresht nangthang ? 04:55:23 ! 04:55:25 udinnet: go 04:55:42 * FranciscoD notices that bckurera has been quite busy lately. 04:55:45 It seems #70 need some update *details* 04:55:58 +1 04:56:02 ? 04:56:07 yes Buddhike is busy with GSoC and some other stuff 04:56:08 dramsey: go 04:56:12 eof 04:56:12 Concur 100% with udin net on #70, eof 04:56:25 #info no decision to make on ticket 70 04:56:34 :) 04:56:40 I propose this ticket is moved off the meeting list until it's ready for a decision? 04:56:42 +1 04:56:43 tuanta: ^ ? 04:56:48 +1 04:57:24 +1 FranciscoD 04:57:24 We've clarified that meetings are *only* to take final decisions, not for any discussions. THis ticket requires a lot of discussion before it's ready IMO 04:57:46 #action FranciscoD comment on ticket 70 requesting updates. 04:57:58 #action FranciscoD remove ticket 70 from meeting list. It is not ready for any decision. 04:58:25 I don't think there are any other new tickets. The rest are just ones that have been there for ever : 04:58:37 Its almost an hour 04:58:37 If any one wants another ticket discussed from report 9, please bring it up 04:58:41 * FranciscoD waits a minute 04:58:53 s/an/a 04:58:59 ? 04:59:02 dramsey: gi 04:59:06 er "go" 04:59:07 I will have my April in order. 04:59:09 eof 04:59:22 Good to hear dramsey 04:59:25 +1 04:59:29 OK. 04:59:32 #topic Open floor 04:59:32 #77 eof 04:59:42 ah! 04:59:46 * FranciscoD pulls out 77 04:59:55 ? 05:00:03 dramsey: go 05:00:15 I made my first attempt at another set of events. So my expenses are lowered for FY2014 budget\ 05:00:18 eof 05:00:37 dramsey: does this ticket need to be decided on today? 05:00:45 There is no link to a wiki page 05:00:48 When ever is good 05:00:50 eof 05:00:57 ! 05:00:59 Next meeting, May 04th? eof 05:01:03 Then we'll discuss it next meeting. Yes 05:01:06 +1 05:01:09 if it's ready ;) 05:01:10 udinnet: go 05:01:31 dramsey: +1 05:01:37 For the #74 what will be the maximum budget that can allow 05:01:52 I've the adjust it according to it 05:01:58 tuanta: ? 05:02:11 udinnet: there isn't a hard limit. We can give up to 400 USD. However, we'll approve the budget once we feel the money is being spent correctly. 05:02:23 I'll cut down the food cost 05:02:33 Here is the thing 05:02:39 udinnet: maybe catch hold of Buddhike and discuss it with him properly. 05:02:50 +1 05:03:01 udinnet: if you see what we can support you more, bring them up 05:03:09 actually we planned it to be a large scale event. 05:03:28 But its less than a FAD 05:03:51 So there is no other option naming it as a Release Party 05:03:53 :) 05:04:00 That is the actual case 05:04:07 ? 05:04:11 dramsey: go 05:04:12 $200 of foods for 200 ppl is not much; but please consider how it effects to our community 05:04:13 Event? eof 05:04:27 * FranciscoD notes that we are 4 minutes over our time 05:04:32 +1 05:04:43 Sri Lankan students are more in to linux now 05:05:02 udinnet: I agree, but I'm sure you don't need food to attract them to the event ;) 05:05:16 then we can focus on more effective activities. That's my thoughts 05:05:22 yeah I'll cut down that cost 05:05:25 ;) 05:05:30 Food should be an added bonus, if at all necessary. We generally hold workshops and give folks a lunch break to go eat what they will. 05:05:38 +1 05:05:46 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/lk-users/2013-April/000026.html 05:05:46 We cannot have a trend of feeding our audience. 05:05:46 +1 05:06:06 :p 05:06:12 this is a reply we got from Jaffna University 05:06:21 udinnet: Good to read. Does not change the stance on food though ;) 05:06:31 they also interested about the event 05:06:42 would 200 wet-napkins be a good choice? 05:06:50 Anyway, I think we're moving into a discussion, which is forbidden during meetings. 05:06:52 I'm just explaining the situation. 05:06:56 ;D 05:07:08 Food is not a must 05:07:13 :) 05:07:23 Aye, update the ticket and we'll make a decision on it :) 05:07:28 +1 05:07:29 I'd really suggest you get more swag 05:07:44 swag attracts people, and markets fedora too 05:07:49 +1 05:07:54 food they just eat and well.. 05:07:58 +1 05:07:59 yes, IMHO, it's better than food. 05:08:08 Food for thought 05:08:12 heh 05:08:18 Okay. Closing meeting in 5 05:08:19 4 05:08:20 i assume jokes aren't allowed >o> 05:08:21 dramsey: lol 05:08:22 :) Thanks everyone for attending, Ankur for chairing and see you all in two weeks, May 06th. :) 05:08:22 :D Very happy to see good attendance and meeting. :D eof 05:08:35 Suresht: can I trouble you to please post the logs to the lists? 05:08:44 s/06/04 05:08:46 * FranciscoD has quite a few action items on his plate already 05:08:50 FranciscoD: yes sure :) 05:08:56 Great. Thanks 05:09:00 +1 05:09:02