04:10:36 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora APAC meeting 2013-10-26
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04:10:44 <FranciscoD> #meetingname Fedora APAC meeting 2013-10-26
04:10:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_apac_meeting_2013-10-26'
04:10:55 <FranciscoD> #chair udinnet zsun alick bochecha
04:10:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alick bochecha udinnet zsun
04:11:00 <FranciscoD> #topic Init process
04:11:03 <FranciscoD> .fas ankursinha
04:11:03 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:11:13 <udinnet> .fas udinnet
04:11:14 <zodbot> udinnet: udinnet 'Uditha Bandara Wijerathna' <udithabnd@gmail.com>
04:11:20 <zsun> .fas zsun
04:11:20 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Zamir SUN' <zamirs@163.com>
04:11:30 <alick> .fas alick
04:11:31 <zodbot> alick: alick 'Zhao Tao' <alick9188@gmail.com> - patrikskalicky 'Patrik Skalicky' <patrik.skalicky@gmail.com> - sakodak 'Jason Balicki' <sakodak@gmail.com> - walicki 'John Walicki' <johnwalicki@gmail.com> - alickee '' <alick.tmp@gmail.com> - drako 'Stefan Palicki' <stefan.palicki@gmail.com>
04:11:51 * bochecha is here
04:11:53 <FranciscoD> #info Tuan sent regrets
04:12:12 <FranciscoD> #info Magie and Engels are running a class today and sent regrets too
04:12:28 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements from FAmSCo
04:12:41 <FranciscoD> Nothing in particular
04:12:54 <FranciscoD> Minutes from their last meeting: #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-10-21/fedora-meeting-2.2013-10-21-17.04.html
04:13:13 <udinnet> I think we pass this topic. There is nothing significant.
04:13:16 <FranciscoD> #info The Fedora CC card holder is probably going to be Kushal.
04:13:23 <FranciscoD> Tuan said they were working on it.
04:13:27 <FranciscoD> udinnet: +1. Moving on
04:13:42 <FranciscoD> Today's agenda is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-10-26
04:14:00 <FranciscoD> Is anyone new here? Does any one need to learn how the event process works?
04:14:17 <bochecha> FranciscoD: I do :P
04:14:21 <bochecha> jk
04:14:24 <FranciscoD> XD
04:14:53 <FranciscoD> Moving on to the next topic then
04:14:54 <zsun> Hi all, I am Zamir SUN from China. Just the first time to attend the meeting
04:15:14 <FranciscoD> zsun: Hi Zamir. Have you been sponsored to the ambassadors group?
04:15:25 <FranciscoD> Or are you in the process?
04:15:53 <zsun> I am mentored by gbraad.But he said there is sth wrong with his fas account , so did not change my status till now
04:16:01 <zsun> .fasinfo zsun
04:16:02 <zodbot> zsun: User: zsun, Name: Zamir SUN, email: sztsian@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-02-02, IRC Nick: zsun, Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:16:05 <zodbot> zsun: Unapproved Groups: ambassadors
04:16:08 <zodbot> zsun: Approved Groups: cvsl10n openshift-origin cla_done cla_fpca
04:16:26 <zsun> as U can see from the fasinfo
04:16:52 <FranciscoD> zsun: ah. Ok. You should get approved anytime now. If gbraad runs into trouble, please ask him to file a ticket with Fedora infrastructure and they'll rectify it.
04:17:17 <zsun> FranciscoD: Okay~ I'll mail him later. Thx
04:17:33 <FranciscoD> Great
04:17:51 <FranciscoD> #action zsun stay in touch with gbraad over approval
04:18:03 <FranciscoD> #topic Fedora 20 release parties
04:18:10 <FranciscoD> To start with, important links:
04:18:17 <FranciscoD> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_events
04:18:57 <FranciscoD> A sort of "how-to" is here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-April/017385.html
04:19:11 <FranciscoD> Please note that release parties are generally low budget events
04:19:21 <FranciscoD> Around 50-100$ is what we expect as requirements.
04:19:46 <FranciscoD> #info : dramsey is already planning a few: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_events#APAC
04:20:23 <udinnet> +1
04:20:52 <zsun> Thanks for the link.
04:20:55 <bochecha> udinnet: what are you voting on?
04:21:07 <udinnet> For here in Sri Lanka we're not sure yet about a F20 Release party
04:21:17 <udinnet> FranciscoD: XD
04:21:23 <FranciscoD> #info Basically: 1: create wiki page. 2: plan out, get approximate budget requirements. 3: file ticket at fedora apac trac. 4: Get approval at a meeting. 5: Upload event reports/photographs to wiki etc. 6: Upload receipts in proper PDF formats and get reimbursements
04:21:28 <FranciscoD> bochecha: did I miss anything? ^
04:21:36 <FranciscoD> udinnet: ah, why's that? Too busy?
04:21:46 * FranciscoD might not be able to hold one either. Uni's getting busyt
04:22:03 <udinnet> FranciscoD: Yes sort of
04:22:21 <FranciscoD> udinnet: That's OK. If you do plan to hold one, you know what to do ;)
04:22:39 <bochecha> FranciscoD: dunno, I've never done steps after 3
04:22:53 <FranciscoD> Moving on, since we haven't any parties to plan/discuss yet.
04:22:59 <udinnet> FranciscoD: ;) yeah for sure.
04:23:05 <FranciscoD> #topic FAD APAC
04:23:36 <udinnet> FranciscoD: we're missing azneita for a long time eh?
04:23:43 <FranciscoD> #info Engel + Magie asked me to announce this: "January 17-19, 2014 is still the best schedule for us to hold FAD APAC here in the Philippines"
04:23:54 <FranciscoD> udinnet: yeah. People are really busy with work etc.
04:24:15 <FranciscoD> There aren't any other updates on the FAD. Tuan will probably need to be around for more info.
04:24:19 <FranciscoD> #topic LCA
04:24:36 <FranciscoD> http://lca2014.linux.org.au/ is being held here in January
04:24:44 <FranciscoD> #info hanthana might come down
04:25:01 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD make event box if people attend the conference
04:25:07 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD cannot make it due to university schedule
04:25:20 <FranciscoD> That's all I have I think.
04:25:24 <bochecha> #undo
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04:25:25 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
04:25:44 <bochecha> #info FranciscoD cannot go to LCA due to university schedule
04:25:48 <udinnet> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_APAC_2013
04:25:58 <bochecha> FranciscoD: sounded like you couldn't make the event box, which you said just above you would
04:26:03 <FranciscoD> bochecha: ah, thanks
04:26:16 <udinnet> !
04:26:19 <FranciscoD> udinnet: go
04:26:39 <udinnet> I think above FAD 2013 page need some housekeeping
04:26:49 <udinnet> I mean new updates?
04:26:58 <udinnet> That more like a prototype.
04:27:06 <FranciscoD> It is only the template. yes.
04:27:14 <udinnet> It is great if we have a nice page for the FAD
04:27:18 <udinnet> EOF
04:27:23 <FranciscoD> The Phillipines team will have to do this
04:27:50 <bochecha> udinnet: afaik, that's because nobody knows yet what's going to happen at that FAD
04:27:51 <udinnet> +1
04:27:55 <FranciscoD> #action udinnet get in touch with Magie + FAD team and see that the page is updated ;)
04:28:00 <FranciscoD> bochecha: ++ to that
04:28:11 <bochecha> but apparently people want a FAD no matter what
04:28:17 <FranciscoD> The agenda/goal needs to be clarified.
04:28:55 <FranciscoD> From what Tuan mentioned: one goal is to plan FUDCon APAC iirc, and to plan out ambassador tasks for the next release.
04:29:14 <udinnet> FranciscoD: Yes that should be a must ;)
04:29:27 <FranciscoD> But it needs to go in the wiki page for confirmation. All we have at the moment is discussion.
04:29:37 * bochecha finds it bizarre that APAC folks need a FAD to plan a FUDCon
04:30:05 <bochecha> an event to organize an event... sounds like having a meeting to organize a meeting to me
04:30:34 <FranciscoD> I think the FUDCon organizing team that wins the bid process can have FADs if they need to.
04:30:44 <udinnet> !
04:30:47 <FranciscoD> udinnet: go
04:31:02 <bochecha> they most likely live close to each other, they don't need FAD, they need to make the thing happen...
04:31:17 <FranciscoD> bochecha: we have no bids at the moment. No idea who's going to organize it.
04:31:18 <udinnet> #info The Flock bidding process 2014 has been open
04:31:19 <udinnet> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-10-09/emea_ambassadors.2013-10-09-20.00.log.html
04:31:21 <alick> I think tuanta also would like to have next FY budget decided.
04:31:36 <udinnet> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_bid_process
04:31:37 <udinnet> EOF
04:31:44 <FranciscoD> udinnet: flock is more an NA/EMEA thing as I recall.
04:31:53 <zsun> In my opinion APAC still holds FUDCon?
04:32:02 <FranciscoD> APAC + LATAM decided to stick to their FUDCons I heard.
04:32:04 <bochecha> alick: that doesn't make any sense to me: deciding the buget for the next year before we know what will happen during that year?
04:32:18 <udinnet> FranciscoD: Yeah. but as I think there is no rough margin for that
04:32:30 <FranciscoD> zsun: well, we have the budget. Someone needs to make a team and organize it.
04:32:36 <bochecha> zsun, FranciscoD: yes, APAC and LATAM seem to have decided not to take part in Flock :(
04:32:42 * FranciscoD would've done it if he were back in India
04:32:57 <FranciscoD> , since we have quite a few fedora folks there spread around in major cities.
04:33:21 <FranciscoD> Pune/Bangalore for instance
04:33:22 <alick> bochecha: that is how budget works AFAIK
04:33:22 * bochecha won't organize a FUDCon in APAC, he'd rather go to Flock
04:33:26 <udinnet> FranciscoD: True
04:33:30 <FranciscoD> bochecha: ++ to that
04:33:36 <bochecha> alick: no
04:33:39 <zsun> bochecha: okay~get it
04:34:00 <bochecha> alick: for example, there might not be any release parties to organize around June for F21
04:34:01 <FranciscoD> alick: actually, you just get an upper limit to how much you can spend.
04:34:03 <alick> bochecha: you make a plan of what will be held, and how much will be spent.
04:34:10 <bochecha> because F21 might be delayed to a much later date
04:34:30 <alick> bochecha: and present the budget for approval.
04:34:31 <bochecha> what's the point of doing a budget with such a big unknown?
04:34:51 <FranciscoD> alick: ambassador activities are rather tricky to plan since they don't follow a schedule. An event happens whenever someone has time to do it.
04:35:21 <FranciscoD> Tuan really tried to plan the previous quarter out. We still didn't make our quota as far as I remember
04:35:37 <alick> bochecha: the FY is basically F20, F21 release cycle.
04:35:58 <bochecha> alick: F21 release cycle might extend **way** out of that FY
04:36:10 * FranciscoD doesnt' think we can discuss a lot on this until we have wiki pages and tickets to look at
04:36:23 <bochecha> FranciscoD: agreed
04:36:24 <alick> bochecha: you mean the fedora.next proposal right?
04:36:28 <FranciscoD> yep
04:36:31 <FranciscoD> big changes there
04:36:56 <bochecha> alick: yes
04:37:01 <FranciscoD> I'm going to do one last topic: Release tasks that people can help in. Please chime in with info items if you have any in mind
04:37:02 * bochecha really has to go unfortunately
04:37:07 <bochecha> gf family calling for lunch
04:37:11 <FranciscoD> #topic Release tasks that people can help in
04:37:15 <FranciscoD> bochecha: ah, enjoy lunch :)
04:37:16 <alick> bochecha: what I talked about is on the 'classical' one release per six-month schedlue.
04:38:07 <FranciscoD> #info Appdata: if an application you use isn't already in gnome-software, please consider submitting an appdata file upstream: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-September/188799.html
04:38:21 <alick> Is fedora.next agreed and carried out then?
04:38:28 <FranciscoD> #info QA tasks: Testing, testdays, karma requests are still on. Please provide whatever testing you can.
04:38:41 <FranciscoD> alick: Yep. Check the devel list archives for info on the new working groups.
04:38:52 <FranciscoD> I'm slightly behind on it too. Need to read fesco logs etc and catch up.
04:39:19 <FranciscoD> #info Marketing tasks: flyers/other marketing collateral is WIP. Please contact the marketing team if you want to help
04:39:21 <alick> FranciscoD: need to dig into it, ok
04:39:41 <FranciscoD> #info Docs: release notes + other documentation is also WIP I think. Please contact the docs team on how to get started.
04:40:30 <FranciscoD> #info Websites: Web team is readying the website for beta release. Details here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/235#comment:1
04:41:10 <FranciscoD> #info Design: Quite a lot of WIP here: posters/banners/countdown banners etc. Please contact the design team if you can help.
04:41:21 <FranciscoD> alick: can you think of another team that's working on release tasks?
04:41:34 <FranciscoD> #info Infra team is always looking for more hands to help out
04:41:47 <alick> FranciscoD: for the L10N team, the relnotes is already on tx for translation
04:42:02 <FranciscoD> alick: can you please make that an info item?
04:42:11 <alick> FranciscoD: ok
04:42:38 <alick> #info L10N: F20 release notes are ready on transifex.com for translation.
04:42:45 <FranciscoD> I can't think of anything else at the moment.
04:42:59 <FranciscoD> If no one has anything else to say, we'll end meeting now.
04:43:40 <zsun> nothing else from my side.
04:44:01 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora Outreach program for women is in progress. Please refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_For_Women_2013 for more information.
04:44:18 <FranciscoD> Great
04:44:52 <FranciscoD> #info If anyone needs help with getting started on anything in the community, please talk to us in the Fedora Join SIG. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG
04:44:56 <FranciscoD> Ending meeting in 5
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04:45:09 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting