17:00:58 #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 17:00:58 Meeting started Wed Dec 7 17:00:58 2016 UTC. The chair is trishnag. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:58 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 17:01:12 #topic Roll Call 17:01:16 .hellomynameis kushal 17:01:17 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 17:01:19 .hello trishnag 17:01:20 .fas jasonbrooks 17:01:21 trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' 17:01:24 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 17:01:52 .hello smdeep 17:01:53 smdeep: smdeep 'Sudeep Mukherjee' 17:02:25 #chair kushal jbrooks smdeep 17:02:25 Current chairs: jbrooks kushal smdeep trishnag 17:02:31 .hello dustymabe 17:02:32 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:02:33 .hello rimolive 17:02:35 rmartinelli: rimolive 'None' 17:02:40 .hello jdoss 17:02:41 jdoss: jdoss 'None' 17:02:56 #chair dustymabe rmartinelli jdoss 17:02:56 Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks jdoss kushal rmartinelli smdeep trishnag 17:03:03 welcome jdoss 17:03:05 Guess I need to fix that somehow hah. 17:03:08 Looks like some new folks here :) 17:03:15 Thanks dustymabe :) 17:03:53 Let's wait for another couple of minutes. 17:03:56 trishnag: hoping jberkus would join 17:04:06 dustymabe: same here. 17:05:15 #chair jberkus 17:05:15 Current chairs: dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss kushal rmartinelli smdeep trishnag 17:05:21 .hello jberkus 17:05:22 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 17:05:23 #chair bowlofeggs 17:05:23 Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss kushal rmartinelli smdeep trishnag 17:06:22 #topic Action items from last meeting 17:06:50 * kushal to create the change wiki page for 26 for collection of ideas (kushal, 17:11:40) 17:07:40 I am wondering what is the time at the end there? 17:07:48 .hello bowlofeggs 17:07:49 bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' 17:07:52 bowloflurkingeggs 17:08:03 bowlofeggs: heh 17:08:06 .hello tflink 17:08:07 tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' 17:08:10 .hello maxamillion 17:08:11 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 17:08:14 sorry I'm late 17:08:16 #chair tflink maxamillion 17:08:16 Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss kushal maxamillion rmartinelli smdeep tflink trishnag 17:08:33 maxamillion: It's alright. we just started. 17:08:45 * kushal to reopen the ticket for marking the non-gating tests to gating (change was made during F25 cycle). 17:08:54 * dustymabe to try to meet with releng to learn more about ostree composes and ways to change things 17:09:02 * kushal to test https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-fffea4b1c3 after he wakes up 17:09:14 * kushal to send reminder to list about where to send the docs. 17:09:23 * kushal to create wiki page on documentation for atomic WG and send mail to the list 17:09:33 * Fedora 26 change proposal ideas discussion 17:09:41 Did all of those 17:09:43 kushal: so many action items for you :). 17:09:46 https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/171 is where you all should vote 17:10:02 kushal++ Awesome 17:10:02 trishnag: Karma for kushal changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:10:19 There is a mail in the list with the wiki page links 17:10:30 kushal: that is an old ticket 17:10:37 yeah 17:11:00 i would think we should have a new ticket that links to the old one 17:11:28 dustymabe: I think kushal is talking about this https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/171#comment-43670 17:11:40 but yes a new ticket would be nice. 17:12:46 Are we planning to mark all the non-gating tests as gating tests for f26? 17:13:00 trishnag: i think it depends, that is the plan 17:13:12 dustymabe: ack 17:13:16 I think it would be nice to know what the current state is 17:13:27 i.e. which non-gating tests are failing? 17:13:38 I am hoping journal logging test to pass for f26 :-). 17:13:44 dustymabe: +1 17:14:26 dustymabe: Any update on your action item? 17:14:37 kushal: can you open a new ticket and put that relevant information in it? 17:14:55 trishnag: we scheduled a meeting but then had to push it back because patrick is in PHX this week 17:15:01 I'll re-action 17:15:11 okay thanks for the update dustymabe 17:15:12 #action dustymabe to try to meet with releng to learn more about ostree composes and ways to change things 17:15:24 kushal++ 17:15:24 maxamillion: Karma for kushal changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:16:10 sorry, had to catch up on backlog ... multi-tasking badly 17:16:22 dustymabe: +1 17:16:49 regarding karma, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-c0d98e6b8b https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-07ceb486c2 needs one more 17:17:06 #chair walters 17:17:06 Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss kushal maxamillion rmartinelli smdeep tflink trishnag walters 17:17:10 dustymabe, Okay, I will do that. 17:17:42 #action kushal to open a new ticket and link to #171 for vote 17:18:02 dustymabe, I wanted to keep all discussion in one place, that is why reopened the old ticket. 17:19:13 Okay let's move to the meeting items. 17:19:26 #topic Future of Fedora Dockerfiles https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/180 17:20:15 .hello scollier 17:20:16 scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' 17:20:21 scollier: is here :0 17:20:24 hiya 17:20:30 s/:0/:) 17:20:33 #chair scollier 17:20:33 Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss kushal maxamillion rmartinelli scollier smdeep tflink trishnag walters 17:21:01 scollier: we have a meeting item for you: Future of Fedora Dockerfiles https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/180 17:21:07 reading 17:21:30 The new Fedora Docker Layered Image Build Service (Phase 2) which is a multi-node openshift build cluster on the back end is going to production today (I'm literallly deploying it right now) ... so I'll get docs updated tomorrow and announce it to the world, we can then migrate all those Dockerfiles into the docker namespace within distgit 17:21:45 trishnag, maxamillion nice. 17:21:52 maxamillion: +1 17:21:59 +1 17:22:15 awesome 17:22:17 maxamillion: Awesome 17:22:19 trishnag, i think that sums it up 17:22:21 it has been an absolute journey but we're *finally* getting there 17:22:36 scollier: yes. 17:23:05 next up will be working on the automation for the docker image releases and mirroring content up on github (I'll need to coordinate with whoever owns the docker hub account at some point) 17:23:24 maxamillion, i can show you what i know, there's a couple of us 17:23:34 scollier: sounds good, thanks 17:24:00 scollier: there's a lot of stuff to figure out still, but at some point I'll need to sync with you 17:24:19 maxamillion, kk, also lokesh 17:24:26 maxamillion: btw, would you be up for doing a presentation at Summit about the Build Service? 17:24:34 jberkus: absolutely 17:24:46 ok, let's take this off-meeting so you can get a submission in 17:25:01 jberkus: I'm already planning on being there, we'll chat off-meeting 17:25:42 Cool. 17:25:59 #topic Finish new Fedora Cloud PRD https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/170 17:26:21 jberkus: any update for this ticket? 17:26:34 This was on-hold as per last update. 17:27:27 ah, no, I spent pretty much all of Nov travelling 17:27:36 will get on it this week 17:27:50 sadly, the PRD text we created at Flock is apparently lost 17:28:02 aah! 17:28:14 jberkus, we actually did not create anything other than saying we will create 17:28:18 Or may be I am wrong. 17:28:25 kushal: no, we did two sections 17:28:28 just not the other two 17:28:36 but apparently nobody actuall wrote it down 17:28:51 we starting talking about two sections, yes. 17:29:07 no, really, we did them, because I offered some of the text 17:29:14 Well, they're lost 17:29:17 but like I said, if nobody took notes, it doesn't matter 17:29:19 We should start over 17:29:37 etherpad? 17:29:39 git? 17:30:39 yeah, I'll put up an etherpad, I think 17:30:45 +1 17:30:50 maybe etherpad https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/fedora_cloud_PRD 17:30:52 :) 17:31:59 issue updated 17:32:10 I'll plan on having a 1st draft by next week 17:32:16 jberkus: Thanks! 17:32:44 ok next topic. 17:32:46 #topic Spec for IRC bot to notify about blockers https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/169 17:33:58 We haven't come up with any specific solution for this according to last meeting we had. 17:34:16 trishnag: I thought that was on hold, pending deployment of the new releng infra? 17:35:22 jberkus: right. sorry I missed it. 17:36:29 In the last meeting we are talking about who read channel topic, sadly many of us said *no*. you might want to check this comment jberkus https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/169#comment-43666 17:37:39 but anyway it is on-hold pending deployment :). 17:39:10 #topic Ship fedora-motd in F24 atomic image https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/160 17:39:27 trishnag, rtnpro is off for few weeks. 17:39:40 kushal: ack 17:39:46 let's skip this for now. 17:39:51 yep, hold until he is back and we've had time to breath on uprighting the atomic ship 17:41:01 #topic Proposed website changes for Cloud Base → Atomic Host switch https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/158 17:41:58 trishnag: not much to discuss on this one 17:42:00 so we can close that one since the website has been changed 17:42:10 tickets are opened with the websites team 17:42:17 Can I add something as a user? 17:42:19 we need to resolve where the Cloud Base download tickets live, but that's a different issue 17:42:19 just waiting on them to finish the cloud.fp.o page 17:42:26 jdoss: sure 17:42:27 It was confusing to find the F25 cloud images 17:42:37 when the cloud URL redirected to atomic 17:42:44 jdoss: yeah, we are planning to fix that 17:42:48 jdoss: one sec 17:43:19 jdoss: can you read https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/57 and understand the changes and see if there is anything you don't agree with? 17:43:22 add input there 17:43:30 Cool. Will do. 17:43:30 we are waiting for that ticket to be completed 17:43:38 We should keep this open until we get https://getfedora.org/cloud/ redirect to htttp://cloud.fedoraproject.org/ 17:43:39 so "we don't like it the way it is" 17:43:43 * jdoss goes back to lurking :) 17:43:47 we want it updated :) 17:44:42 #topic make Fedora Atomic download page clearer https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/154 17:45:42 trishnag: skip, this needs to be reworked since the f25 page is out now 17:45:50 dustymabe: okay 17:46:15 #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/153 17:46:43 scollier: ^^^ 17:47:05 misc: ^^ 17:48:43 punt 17:49:21 looks like scollier misc are not around 17:49:49 trishnag, no updates from my side 17:50:01 scollier: ack. thanks. 17:50:19 I'm moving to the next ticket. 17:50:23 #topic vagrant boxes fixups https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/136 17:50:41 jbrooks: has already opened a PR https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/pull/392 17:50:56 but it is still opened :). 17:51:15 Speaking of vagrant, do we have a game plan for the broken sync dir issue? 17:51:41 Is that something that must also be fixed in imagefactory? 17:51:58 Who all are the vagrant experts here? 17:52:00 :) 17:52:07 I don't know vagrant that well. 17:52:17 jbrooks: it's some complicated build thing that me and peter robinson looked at in the past, he "fixed" it we thought but it didn't get fixed for some reason 17:52:22 so I have to dig in to that again 17:52:34 and just haven't had a chance 17:52:38 it's on the list 17:52:43 dustymabe: want to add action? 17:52:54 The annoying thing about that bug is that provisioning won't happen because things get stopped at that error 17:53:17 jbrooks: did you put in the workaround ? 17:53:34 trishnag: not really, not sure if I'm going to get to it in the next week 17:53:37 Yeah, but that's lame 17:53:52 Yes, you can just disable it, or change DIY it 17:53:55 dustymabe: okay cool. 17:54:01 jbrooks: I agree 17:54:11 not sure what you are saying? 17:54:17 change DIY it ? 17:54:21 I'm mainly saying, that's 1000x more annoying than this silly iso issue that we talk about each week 17:54:43 what iso issue? 17:54:46 jbrooks: then add the "meeting" keyword to that ticket 17:54:51 The current topic 17:54:58 and it will get put in the list of things we talk about 17:55:02 ah for vagrant 17:55:35 Yeah, I guess I'm more thinking we need to remove that tag on this vagrant fixup issue -- it's sort of a wontfix at this point 17:56:25 you can remove the tag 17:56:44 i'm thinking we should do ticket grooming like once every two months 17:56:46 or something 17:57:02 so.. we can be less afraid to remove the "meeting" tag from items 17:57:12 done 17:57:39 jbrooks: great 17:57:47 dustymabe: +1 17:58:11 #topic Open Floor 17:58:19 Open floor :) 17:58:26 so we should have an atomic 2w release today 17:58:34 +1 17:59:08 anybody else with anything? 17:59:16 I did a bit of testing, rpm-ostree installed origin-clients, ran oc cluster up, ran an app 17:59:18 it worked 17:59:25 w/ today's image 17:59:32 jbrooks: can you write that up? 17:59:41 jberkus, sure 18:00:04 so I posted some thoughts on re-organizing and renewing AH docs to the atomic-devel list 18:00:11 i was planning on writing up 'oc cluster up' for the fedora magazine 18:00:20 not on cloud@ because I need to involve CentOS folks too 18:00:26 and "link" from there to the pa.io blog on the more complex openshift install blogs 18:00:31 +1 18:00:55 I am running F24/25 in production and I am a very happy camper as a user. Keep up the good work folks. If you need any feedback or a user to test things out hit me up. :) 18:01:03 please take a look at it; I want to get going on the doc effort asap becuase the docs we have are no completely inaccurate 18:01:16 jdoss: always happy to have feedback 18:01:34 I'm working on a completely containerized kube install for f25 atomic 18:01:39 w/ the upstream ansible 18:01:41 jdoss: for the record, you are running f24/f25 cloud base in prod --> planning to look at Atomic Host sometime in the furure 18:01:46 right ? 18:01:56 jdoss: thanks for being around 18:01:59 Yea I want to give OpenShift a try. 18:02:11 we definitely need you here to give us some perspective 18:02:15 jdoss: we'll have full instructions for that in the next few days 18:02:24 jdoss: I'll have a blog out very soon about setting up openshift on Fedora 18:02:24 and move my resque / sidekiq workers into Docker 18:02:43 I am very interested in that. 18:02:51 jdoss: we'll rely on you to tell us how good/bad it is :) 18:03:04 I will try not to cry too much. 18:03:37 let's move to our cloud channel as we are running out of time :). 18:03:41 trishnag: +1 18:03:42 5 18:03:43 4 18:03:44 3 18:03:44 and I need food 18:03:45 2 18:03:46 1 18:03:50 #endmeeting