17:04:09 <jberkus> #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg
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17:04:19 <jberkus> #topic roll call
17:04:21 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:04:22 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:04:26 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:04:27 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:04:27 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:04:28 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
17:04:30 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:04:33 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:04:42 <roshi> .hello roshi
17:04:43 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
17:05:20 <jberkus> hey, logs for last week's meeting appear to be missing
17:05:36 <roshi> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/sresults/?group_id=atomic_wg&type=team
17:05:57 * roshi has always wondered why we send them to the list when they're on meetbot...
17:06:01 <jberkus> aha
17:06:17 <jberkus> so we've been using the names "fedora_atomic_wg" and "atomic_wg" alternately
17:06:22 <jberkus> whcih breaks meetbot
17:06:55 <jberkus> #chair jberkus roshi trishnag sayan maxamillion jbrooks
17:06:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: jberkus jbrooks maxamillion roshi sayan trishnag
17:07:33 <jberkus> #topic Container Policy VFAD
17:07:47 <jberkus> so first thing is that we have a VFAD to hammer out some container policy things this Friday
17:08:13 <jberkus> all of these issues are explained here: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issues?status=Open&tags=VFAD
17:08:40 <jberkus> schedule for VFAD and goals are here: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/238
17:08:52 <jberkus> current schedule is
17:09:03 <jberkus> EST UTC
17:09:03 <jberkus> 10:00-12:00 15:00-17:00 Part I
17:09:03 <jberkus> 12:00-13:00 17:00-18:00 Break
17:09:04 <jberkus> 13:00-15:00 18:00-20:00 Part II
17:09:43 <roshi> don't forget atomic-wg
17:09:43 <maxamillion> +1
17:10:00 * roshi plans to be there
17:10:03 <jberkus> I'll be setting the specific schedule after this meeting, so you have 1 hour to (a) add additional container policy issues if you have them, or
17:10:16 <jberkus> (b) comment on any of those issues that you need to be present and have time constraints
17:10:34 <jberkus> for example, kushal, you will probably only be ther efor the first half, so please mark which issues you care about most
17:10:52 * jbrooks will be there
17:11:10 <jberkus> VFAD questions/comments?
17:11:20 <trishnag> I will try to. late here..timezone.
17:11:21 * bowlofeggs waves wildly
17:11:50 <trishnag> May be the first half :)
17:11:53 <jberkus> trishnag: yeah, same with you.  please *comment* on the issues you care the most about, and I'll put them first on the agenda
17:12:06 <trishnag> jberkus: OK
17:12:24 <jberkus> trishnag: sorry to have it so late, but Globe Is Round
17:12:31 <jberkus> also I need to be awake to run it
17:13:04 <jberkus> next
17:13:09 <jberkus> #topic Action Items
17:13:24 <jberkus> 1. Dusty to create page for future VFAD topics
17:13:52 <jberkus> I did this actually: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Atomic/VFAD_ideas
17:14:04 <jberkus> if there is a VFAD you think we should have or you want to have, please add it to that wiki page
17:14:12 <maxamillion> +1
17:14:23 <jberkus> even if it's a kinda sorta half VFAD, we'll combine it with something else
17:15:16 <jberkus> 2. sayan to create ticket on moving fedimg
17:15:19 <jberkus> sayan: ?
17:15:30 <sayan> jberkus: yes, I created the ticket
17:15:39 <jberkus> link?
17:15:47 <jberkus> for the minutes
17:15:57 <sayan> yes, digging up the link
17:16:12 <sayan> jberkus: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/237
17:16:20 <jberkus> thanks
17:16:42 <sayan> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/237
17:16:52 <jberkus> ok, next up, issues
17:16:58 <jberkus> #topic issues
17:17:46 <jberkus> before I go through meeting tags, there's one outstanding in Web
17:17:51 <jberkus> right now we have NO AMI links
17:18:11 <maxamillion> that's probably not great
17:18:26 <jberkus> no, and we haven't had them for 2+ weeks
17:18:48 <jberkus> https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/641
17:18:56 <jberkus> this appears to be because of a permissions issue on the AMIs
17:19:13 <jberkus> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VJH4HG2N5NO3LT6MDVR63GIDNS3OXSIX/
17:19:29 <jberkus> however, there has been no progress in resolving this in the last week AFAICT
17:20:53 <sayan> jberkus: I wrote the script that fixes that issue
17:21:04 <jberkus> yah.  so any idea what happened from there?
17:21:24 <sayan> dgilmore need to run the script as I don't have the access to the main account
17:21:40 <maxamillion> ah
17:21:45 <maxamillion> who all has access?
17:21:51 <kushal> jberkus, I will update accordingly (I am on leave today).
17:21:53 <maxamillion> is that anyone in Infra? or is that RelEng?
17:21:58 <sayan> maxamillion: afaik, dgilmore and mattdm
17:22:02 <roshi> we should probably spread it out so we can fix issues like this
17:22:03 <maxamillion> sayan: ah ok
17:22:04 <kushal> maxamillion, only dennis and mattdm
17:22:09 <maxamillion> noted
17:22:33 <maxamillion> roshi: well, it has implications about a line of credit also so there might be some legal paperwork that has to be signed and such
17:22:33 <jberkus> ok, I think someone needs to nag those two until either it gets fixed or they grant access
17:22:35 <kushal> roshi, dgilmore said that he does not want that primary account access to be shared across.
17:22:49 <maxamillion> roshi: I definitely agree, but it might be a little more than just adding someone to the account
17:22:49 <roshi> yeah, I remember when the change was made
17:23:00 <roshi> it used to be open to the whole group
17:23:09 <maxamillion> roshi: which I now realize you didn't actually infer ... so ignore me
17:23:21 <maxamillion> I can't brain ... need more coffee
17:23:36 <jberkus> maxamillion: can you follow up on this?  or should someone else?
17:24:13 <jberkus> I sense that it won't happen without follow-up
17:24:56 <kushal> jberkus, yup. May be we can add acarter to the discussion.
17:25:03 <kushal> That can help to speed things up.
17:25:25 <jberkus> kushal: you want to do the follow-up?
17:25:41 <jberkus> we need someone who will stay on this issue until it's resolved
17:26:05 <maxamillion> jberkus: yeah, I can
17:26:06 <jberkus> don't all step forwards at once
17:26:07 <sayan> I did ping dgilmore on IRC, he told he need to look how to generate the access tokens
17:26:09 <jberkus> ok
17:26:11 <maxamillion> jberkus: sorry, multitasking
17:26:12 <roshi> :)
17:26:23 <maxamillion> or trying to anyways
17:26:31 <jberkus> #action maxamillion to follow-up on fixing ami permissions, links with dgilmore
17:26:53 <jberkus> maxamillion: lemme know if it'll help to have me send an email as well
17:26:58 <jberkus> ok, other issues
17:27:41 <jberkus> https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting
17:27:52 <jberkus> #228: I don't feel that we're any closer to setting release policy
17:28:45 <jberkus> this pretty much calls for a meeting
17:29:01 <jberkus> watch issues/email for one to be scheduled
17:29:08 <jbrooks> +1
17:29:12 <trishnag> +1
17:29:17 <maxamillion> jberkus: not that I can think of, but thanks
17:29:21 <jberkus> #action jberkus to schedule a meeting about support policy, rolling upgrades
17:29:39 <maxamillion> +1
17:29:46 <jberkus> the other two issues have external dependencies which as far as I know haven't budged
17:29:57 <jberkus> rtnpro: any update on motd?
17:30:45 <rtnpro> jberkus, nothing this week, I was away on PTO, I just resumed working today
17:30:57 <jberkus> ok, should it stay on the agenda for next week?
17:30:59 <kushal> rtnpro, welcome back :)
17:31:14 <rtnpro> IIRC, I was waiting for some reviews
17:31:24 <rtnpro> jberkus, yes
17:31:33 <jberkus> #topic open floor
17:31:39 <jberkus> so, other stuff?
17:31:55 <jberkus> oh ... I have one thing
17:32:27 <trishnag> I have one thing.
17:32:40 <jberkus> trishnag: go, it's late for you
17:32:45 <jberkus> trishnag: that is, go ahead
17:33:00 <maxamillion> at some point I'd like to put together a really nice Atomic Host + OpenShift on Fedora demo that's done in Ansible and would be easy for someone to deploy on a spare machine or in a VM for use at conferences when manning the booth in order to show off the tech ... anyone have any thoughts on that?
17:33:03 <trishnag> I just checked we have Documentation migration VFAD. We should also focus to have all documents in *one* place.
17:33:25 <nirik> FWIW: the Container Review component now has a fedora-review flag on it.
17:33:25 <jbrooks> maxamillion, dusty's blog post from a bit ago is pretty good on this
17:33:31 <maxamillion> jbrooks: +1
17:33:57 <trishnag> We need to decide the place for the same. We have http://fedoracloud.readthedocs.io . Not sure if this is active.
17:34:22 <roshi> I didn't even know we had that
17:34:23 <jberkus> trishnag: so, we already decided to move to ASCIIdoc
17:34:30 <maxamillion> or maybe we could just make a fedora powered version of minishift? ... I wonder how much work that would be to maintain
17:34:44 <jberkus> mainly because if we do, we can get a bunch of doc content from Red Hat Doc Team
17:34:58 <jberkus> which takes us off of RTD
17:35:25 <jberkus> btw, I have the doc source from downstream docs already
17:35:35 <trishnag> jberkus: ACK.
17:35:36 <jbrooks> maxamillion, I bet it wouldn't be too tough to do, not sure about maintenance  -- they're actually having some problems right now that'd be made easier w/ overlay2
17:35:44 <jberkus> trishnag: we have a docs.projectatomic.io project
17:35:52 <jberkus> although I'd like to keep that for doc build tools
17:36:40 <jberkus> however, I think that the Atomic Host docs should live in somewhere under projectatomic.io because that way we can combine Fedora and CentOS docs whcih will be 95% the same
17:36:44 <trishnag> jberkus: we can have *fedoraatomic* something?
17:36:57 <maxamillion> jberkus: rgr
17:37:20 <jberkus> one of the reasons to go with ASCIIDoc/ASCIIBinder is that it supports building "editions" of the docs
17:37:33 <jberkus> so for *output* we can have one for Fedora and one for CentOS from the same source
17:37:47 <trishnag> jberkus: sounds good
17:37:56 <jberkus> trishnag: I take it you want to work on this?
17:38:05 <trishnag> jberkus: Yes count me in.
17:38:10 <jbrooks> I'm +1 to centering docs on projectatomic
17:38:30 <jberkus> ok
17:38:46 <jberkus> #action jberkus to set up github repo for atomichost ASCIIDoc source
17:38:56 <kushal> Sounds good, we need actual working does, does not matter where it stays
17:39:16 <maxamillion> +1
17:39:20 <trishnag> kushal: +1
17:39:21 <maxamillion> ASCIIDoc is a nice toolchain
17:39:37 <jberkus> we're going to need to merge (a) downstream docs (b) our docs in .md format (c) RTD docs source and (d) blog content
17:40:05 <jberkus> which means we could get help even from people who don't know atomic that well, as long as they can copy, paste, and re-write markup
17:40:14 <jberkus> this was why I suggested a VFAD
17:40:25 <jbrooks> Sounds good
17:40:26 <jberkus> trishnag: let's follow up on getting the infrastructure set up
17:40:33 <trishnag> jberkus: +1
17:40:54 <jberkus> trishnag: I'll ping you, we'll set up a schedule.  we could even chat in the morning your time instead of late at night ;-)
17:41:29 <trishnag> jberkus: Sounds perfect :-).
17:42:23 <jberkus> #action jberkus, trishnag to kick off documentation re-org project
17:42:45 <jberkus> earliest I could do a Doc VFAD would be mid-April
17:42:48 <jberkus> too many conferences
17:43:20 <jberkus> ok, any other business?
17:44:15 * roshi has nothing
17:44:25 <maxamillion> nothing here
17:44:31 * trishnag has nothing
17:44:36 <jberkus> ok, see people at the VFAD on friday
17:44:44 <roshi> aside from that tests for atomic and cloud base should be running in taskotron rsn
17:44:50 <jberkus> look for agenda by Email later today/early tommorrow depending on your TZ
17:44:54 <roshi> polishing up my patch to get through review
17:45:00 <jberkus> roshi: that's really good news
17:45:13 <roshi> :D
17:45:41 <roshi> trishnag took a look at the playbooks where the tests live
17:46:04 <jberkus> #endmeeting