16:30:16 #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 16:30:16 Meeting started Wed Apr 4 16:30:16 2018 UTC. The chair is miabbott. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:16 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 16:30:20 #topic roll call 16:30:28 .hello2 16:30:29 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 16:30:32 .hello smilner 16:30:33 .hello miabbott 16:30:33 ashcrow: smilner 'None' 16:30:36 miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' 16:30:37 .hello gscrivano 16:30:39 giuseppe: gscrivano 'Giuseppe Scrivano' 16:30:42 .hello2 16:30:43 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 16:30:45 #chair dustymabe ashcrow giuseppe coremodule 16:30:45 Current chairs: ashcrow coremodule dustymabe giuseppe miabbott 16:31:06 .hello2 16:31:07 lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' 16:31:10 for anyone who may be new. we do roll call at the beginning of the meeting 16:31:19 the .hello call hooks in with the fedora account system 16:31:29 .hello 16:31:29 bgilbert: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 16:31:36 .hello bgilbert 16:31:37 bgilbert: bgilbert 'Benjamin Gilbert' 16:31:40 .fas jasonbrooks 16:31:41 got there eventually 16:31:41 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 16:31:41 woot! 16:31:51 .hello 16:31:51 ajeddeloh: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 16:32:05 bgilbert: .hello2 is a shortcut 16:32:09 .hello2 16:32:10 rubao: rubao 'rubao' 16:32:13 #chair lorbus bgilbert jbrooks ajeddeloh 16:32:13 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dustymabe giuseppe jbrooks lorbus miabbott 16:32:16 .hello ajeddelo 16:32:17 ajeddeloh: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:32:18 if your IRC nick matches your fedora account 16:32:23 .hello2 16:32:24 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 16:32:45 ajeddeloh: make sure your hello references your fedora account name 16:32:55 ajeddeloh: if you don't have one yet, it's ok :-) 16:33:00 :) 16:33:03 #chari rubao jberkus 16:33:08 good crowd here today!! 16:33:08 #chair rubao jberkus 16:33:08 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks lorbus miabbott rubao 16:33:09 I don't think I do yet 16:33:26 ajeddeloh: here is where you sign up 16:33:33 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ 16:33:53 .hello 16:33:53 dgonyeo: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 16:33:59 .hellomynameis sanja 16:33:59 sanja1: sanja 'Sanja Bonic' 16:34:21 #chair dgonyeo sanja1 16:34:21 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks lorbus miabbott rubao sanja1 16:34:38 dgonyeo: hello2 if your nick and FAS account match, hello $FAS_USERNAME if they do not 16:34:40 .hello2 16:34:41 dgonyeo: dgonyeo 'Derek Gonyeo' 16:34:45 we have some new nicks this week...cool 16:34:54 .hello jligon 16:34:55 jligon: jligon 'Jeff Ligon' 16:35:00 #chair jligon 16:35:00 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks jligon lorbus miabbott rubao sanja1 16:35:16 welcome to the new people! 16:35:21 Now that we have so many chairs we play musical chairs 16:35:34 we typically lead off with action items from the previous week 16:35:53 #topic previous meeting action items 16:36:00 * cverna to add some more details to the ticket (439) and email adam 16:36:00 miller for feedback 16:36:00 * drakonis to open an atomic-wg issue to track container tools in debian 16:36:00 discussion 16:36:01 * sanja to start email thread with talk volunteers to make sure 16:36:02 abstracts are submitted on time 16:36:03 * ashcrow to make a PR to include podman in Fedora Rawhide Atomic Host 16:36:05 * dustymabe to configure botbot.me to log #atomic channel 16:36:09 * sayan to open ticket with cloud-sig about deprecating pv AMIs 16:36:32 .hello walters 16:36:33 walters: walters 'Colin Walters' 16:36:38 #chair walters 16:36:38 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks jligon lorbus miabbott rubao sanja1 walters 16:36:42 is cverna around? 16:36:58 yes and no :) 16:37:02 :) 16:37:04 :-D 16:37:14 looks like you did get some feedback in the ticket from adam miller 16:37:26 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/439 16:38:00 yes pretty much a lot of the current tooling/process was done to satisfy the old modularity 16:38:01 ok for drakonis item 16:38:21 #info drakonis created ticket for debian versions of tools: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/440 16:38:30 since modularity as changed a lot it make sense to review our process 16:38:31 .hello2 16:38:32 ajeddeloh: ajeddeloh 'Andrew Jeddeloh' 16:38:45 .hello2 16:38:46 lsm5: lsm5 'Lokesh Mandvekar' 16:38:49 #info dustymabe got legal review TOS for botbot.me. We got a green light so i'll set it up later today 16:38:51 #chair lsm5 16:38:51 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks jligon lorbus lsm5 miabbott rubao sanja1 walters 16:39:22 ashcrow sanja1 - do you want to talk about your action items? 16:39:26 sure 16:39:29 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422#comment-502525 16:39:40 PR for podman in rawhide merged last week 16:39:45 #info sayan opened ticket with cloud sig for PV AMIS: https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/284 16:39:55 baude looked at the rawhide compose and did some testing and said things look good 16:40:02 ashcrow: +1 16:40:21 I think only sanja1 was left and I know the status on that one 16:40:22 That's all I have for my action item :-) 16:40:41 cool! ashcrow++ 16:40:53 #info sanja1 was able to herd cats and get a lot of people to submit talks. see https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/421 16:40:56 smilner++ 16:40:56 lorbus: Karma for smilner changed to 4 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:41:01 ^^ 16:41:36 great job team 16:41:50 looks like most AI were taken care of (i'll put the botbot.me stuff in place later today) 16:41:58 yup 16:42:24 let's move on to the items in the issue tracker tagged with 'meeting' 16:42:25 I'll meet with mhrivnak at KubeCon next month to confer with him about my Service Bundle talk 16:42:56 #topic Container Release (439) 16:43:02 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/439 16:43:13 that's already been discussed, so i guess we can remove the meeting tag? 16:43:25 .hello sinnykumari 16:43:26 ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' 16:43:30 #chair ksinny 16:43:30 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks jligon ksinny lorbus lsm5 miabbott rubao sanja1 walters 16:44:09 cverna: I think this was your ticket 16:44:13 anything to add here? 16:45:14 i'll take that as a no 16:45:18 ok so I think we can close this ticket 16:45:38 I ll open and update other tickets to actually implement changes 16:45:38 excellent 16:45:47 sounds good 16:45:49 cverna: can you do that? 16:45:51 perfect 16:45:56 ok 16:46:03 #action cverna to open additional tickets for implementing container release changes 16:46:25 #topic Fedora 28 Talking Points (445) 16:46:29 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/445 16:46:40 so for this ticket I think we can remove the meeting label (as F28 beta is out) 16:46:43 well, f28 beta is out the door, so this is done 16:46:50 * ashcrow agrees 16:46:53 can we just close it outright? 16:46:54 but we should leave it open for updating the talking points for f28 final 16:46:58 ok 16:47:13 I'll ask x3mboy to update the ticket with what he has now and we'll use that as a draft for final 16:47:22 EOM 16:47:51 dustymabe: end of month? 16:47:57 #action dustymabe to coordinate with x3mboy about talking points for f28 final 16:48:25 #topic coordinate Project Atomic-related talks for devconf.in (447) 16:48:28 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/447 16:48:35 ashcrow: End Of Message 16:48:35 * kushal is now here 16:49:00 miabbott: yep. this ticket is here for us to help coordinate talks for devconf.in in india 16:49:12 it's also useful to discuss during our APAC version of our meeting 16:49:18 agreed 16:49:26 really to cool to see that franchise expand btw 16:49:27 which I think ksinny may have done 16:49:45 dustymabe: Yes, I did 16:50:07 ksinny: cool, anything to update on? I saw some activity in the ticket 16:50:18 #chair kushal 16:50:18 Current chairs: ajeddeloh ashcrow bgilbert coremodule dgonyeo dustymabe giuseppe jberkus jbrooks jligon ksinny kushal lorbus lsm5 miabbott rubao sanja1 walters 16:50:18 kushal: this may be of interest to you too 16:50:24 was wondering if folks whose talks get accpeted, is there any chance to get funding if they need? 16:50:43 If yes, it will be good to add that info in ticekt 16:50:43 ksinny: i believe sanja1 has budget for that 16:50:46 ksinny: that's something we can ask the conference organizer. I know for devconf.cz there is chance for funding 16:51:01 miabbott: right or "outside funding" is possible 16:51:16 so options are: 16:51:18 sorry, lost freenode connection ... 16:51:22 1. conference funding 16:51:26 2. project atomic funding 16:51:44 ksinny: let's ask that question in the ticket and we'll get it answered 16:51:49 +1 16:51:49 I will check with organizers for the first one 16:52:10 dustymabe: yup, asking in ticket will be good 16:52:15 sanja1 may be able to find out and be a single point of contact for that stuff to 16:52:22 (for devconf.us) I stated that in the proposoal I submitted. Better also ask on the ticket, right? 16:52:36 (working with the conf and team folks) 16:53:25 Also, I was wondering if we can have meeting_apac tag or soemthing like that for the other meeting 16:53:43 In that case we will know which issue to be discussed in which meeting 16:53:45 ksinny: yep we can add something like that 16:53:50 ksinny: +1 16:54:07 lorbus: You mean you stated funding related items in your proposal? 16:54:21 yup. however I mentioned it on the ticket already 16:54:27 ok 16:54:45 * dustymabe is excited about the next agenda item 16:55:04 dustmabe shoot! =) 16:55:13 #topic investigate coreos ignition for use in Fedora (450) 16:55:14 dustymabe* 16:55:21 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/450 16:55:25 take it away dustymabe 16:56:47 oh. :) i thought the next one was the *other ticket*, but I'm excited about this one too 16:56:55 so first of all 16:57:04 we have some of the CoreOS team with us here today 16:57:19 welcome to bgilbert ajeddeloh dgonyeo (anyone I'm missing)?? 16:57:22 * dgonyeo waves 16:57:26 * ajeddeloh waves 16:57:27 * bgilbert waves 16:57:43 :-D welcome! 16:57:43 hey peeps 16:57:56 As everyone knows Red Hat acquired CoreOS so we've been looking at ways to integrate (we don't have a lot of details yet) 16:57:59 Welcome all :) 16:58:11 but one item that we're interested in working on together and helping evolve is ignition 16:58:21 https://github.com/coreos/ignition 16:58:43 so we're investigating what it would look like and what's needed to run it on Fedora 16:59:12 follow the ticket for updates :) 16:59:17 it definitely has some advantages over the cloud-init model 16:59:42 anybody have any questions? 16:59:45 As an aside, we've been trying to drop cloud-init for ignition in container linux for some time 16:59:56 So the two solve very similar problems 17:00:06 as in, drop cloudinit in favor of Ignition 17:00:18 indeed, they do solve similar problems 17:00:43 To clarify, cloud-init as in a specific cloud-init? Or all cloud-init? 17:01:00 Container Linux has its own implementation, coreos-cloudinit 17:01:06 back, scrolling up 17:01:11 but we want to drop support for cloud-config entirely 17:01:37 this is not an easy process :-) 17:01:52 * ashcrow nods 17:01:53 i've honestly thought that cloud-init should scope down to just being able to add users/ssh keys and possibly run a script 17:01:57 (cloud-config == cloud-init config language) 17:01:57 Thanks! 17:02:01 which is basically what ignition does 17:02:06 re funding quickly: yes, i can fund travel and accomodation and maybe other things - write me an email 17:02:34 sanja1: can you fund "other things" for me? don't ask questions though 17:02:39 :) 17:02:47 :D 17:02:50 LOL 17:02:57 I funded your BevTie so go get it and make pics :P 17:03:19 sanja1: Thanks, can you please add funding information to the ticket? 17:03:28 so bgilbert dgonyeo ajeddeloh - nice to see you here today and we'll hopefully be seeing a lot more of each other in the long term too 17:03:29 I can't because I don't have it other than email sanja 17:03:31 welcome again! 17:03:48 #info follow #450 for updates on ignition in Fedora POC 17:04:32 dustymabe you snuck in this last ticket after the meeting started... 17:04:34 ksinny I'll add the info though 17:04:40 #topic Fedora 28 Atomic Test Day (449) 17:04:46 sanja1: +1 17:04:49 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/449 17:04:51 :) 17:05:04 so F28 beta is out 17:05:16 and we need to organize a test day next week 17:05:23 +1 17:05:29 *next week* is key because the following week is when Fedora freezes for final 17:05:37 and it's harder to get things fixed after that point 17:06:19 I have the minnowboards working again, so I can do Kube/FAO on bare metal if we have a test day 17:06:23 the qa team suggests the 11th (/me waves at coremodule) 17:06:31 woot! hi! 17:06:33 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/QA/2018/4/9/#m9193 17:06:47 Does the 11th work for everyone? 17:07:03 If this works for you guys, the 11th would work best for the QA team as we have test days all over the place over the next two weeks. 17:07:04 unfortunately ksinny and I will be a little disengaged because we'll be at a fedora infrastructure hackfest 17:07:27 but will try to test as much as possible when not working on hackfest stuff 17:07:35 +1 17:07:42 I can give some time on the 11th, but no day is ideal as I always have meetings peppered through the day. 17:07:51 can we rely on other community members to help us out here too? 17:08:01 same, any day is as good or as bad as others 17:08:33 * jberkus has five meetings a day every day and is in two different meetings now 17:09:08 jberkus: you're talented 17:09:17 ok. well we'll wrangle community for the 11th 17:09:22 Hey, we have two eyes and ears for a reason! 17:09:25 it's why I'm thankful this is an IRC meeting 17:09:30 sanja1: can we do some publication for it? and maybe we can get some from the fedora side as well 17:09:40 dustymabe: sgtm 17:09:47 I call it "putting my ADD to work" 17:10:07 And something we can retweet as well 17:10:21 +1 to that! 17:10:24 we have broadcast in Fedora before https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-27-atomic-cloud-test-day/ 17:10:34 ksinny: could we do something like that ^^ 17:11:01 i mean, just take that as boilerplate and s/27/28/ pretty much 17:11:06 dustymabe: Yes, we can 17:11:39 sanja1: can you work with her on that? 17:11:50 yes the moment I scroll back and know what I'm saying yes to 17:11:56 sorry, having jberkus' problem today 17:12:08 oh man. i have jberkus problems every day 17:12:12 lol 17:12:23 haha 17:12:33 #action sanja1 ksinny to make sure we community f28 test day to pa.io and fedora communities 17:12:42 #action sanja1 to collaborate with ksinny about publicizing fedora 28 atomic host test day 17:12:45 oh 17:12:46 well 17:12:48 #undo 17:12:48 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by miabbott at 17:12:42 : sanja1 to collaborate with ksinny about publicizing fedora 28 atomic host test day 17:13:00 ksinny can you create the PR, I'll review and see what pics to use? 17:13:02 #info approved test day for 11th of april 17:13:18 dustymabe, ksinny, sanjal, -- skamath should be able to help you get the article published on the magazine if need be 17:13:21 sanja1: okay! 17:14:11 coremodule++ ksinny++ 17:14:11 dustymabe: Karma for coremodule changed to 3 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:14:13 dustymabe: Are we going to include Atomic worksatation as well? 17:14:21 ksinny: good question 17:14:29 we have't really had that come up before 17:14:30 I'll see that we can get it to various channels afterwards, but it'll be under your name :D so you get more blog posts, I do the getting it out there 17:14:37 yes @ atomic workstation 17:14:39 ofc 17:14:41 * lorbus has to get going early today (now). Thanks everyone!! See ya on the 11th at the latest =) 17:14:47 see you lorbus! 17:14:49 but I imagine that the "desktop" test day might be more interested 17:14:50 See ya lorbus! 17:14:54 bye lorbus! 17:15:02 but honestly it wouldn't hurt to encourage people to test FAW too 17:15:05 dustymabe 17:15:06 the more testing the better 17:15:22 sanja1: :( 17:15:24 i'm inclusive 17:15:46 do we have anew FAW image? I need to reinstall one of my laptops anyway 17:15:52 we do for f28 17:15:55 okay, I am more worried aout test cases. Will it be same as last Test Day or we are going to add some additional tests? 17:15:56 mclasen wrote about it :D 17:15:58 see tweet 17:16:36 by the way, I feel like the "we have two eyes and ears for a reason" comment was totally underrated 17:16:48 ashcrow++ for that, if only my username could actually give cookies 17:16:49 * ashcrow smiles 17:16:58 ashcrow++ 17:16:59 ksinny: we'll probably need to tweak them slightly 17:17:09 coremodule: can you help us create wiki pages ? or is that already done? 17:17:11 jberkus: FAW 28 - https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2018/04/03/fedora-atomic-workstation-beta/ 17:17:19 roshi: was always our champion here 17:17:19 thx 17:17:35 good guy miab-linkbot 17:17:46 * dustymabe thinks we should head to open floor and can carry test day discussion to #atomic afterwards 17:17:59 i second the gentleman 17:18:05 +1 17:18:06 what did you call me?? 17:18:08 :) 17:18:15 #topic open floor 17:18:59 dustymabe, yes I can, let me see what has already been created... 17:19:02 so - podman is now in FAH in rawhide.. please give it a spin and report any issues.. it would be a good "talking point" for us to add it to FAH for f28 17:19:23 but that mostly depends on if we get feedback to let us know how it's working out 17:20:04 anyone with anything else for open floor? 17:20:06 dustymabe: sounds good. I'll get baude to test more as well. 17:20:19 coreos guys. any questions for us? 17:20:30 an interesting sub-topic there is podman and the STR 17:20:45 STR == "standard test roles" ? 17:21:18 strength check. Roll for damage. 17:21:31 what's your THAC0 17:21:32 yeah; do we add podman coverage to a-h-t or work on bridging to the upstream test suites via the str 17:21:54 anyways don't need to dive into this now 17:22:06 I think we have a ticket that's somewhat related, one sec 17:22:20 i think the design of the STI says that podman should have their own tests in the repo 17:22:23 while we wait on that.. any other topics? 17:22:25 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/432 17:22:31 ksinny: sayan: do we have autocloud working for f28 yet? 17:22:35 we could add some sanity checks to a-h-t, of course 17:22:47 I suggest adding to the issue and speaking with baude as well through that 17:23:42 dustymabe: Don't know exact status but looks like it's working at least partially https://apps.fedoraproject.org/autocloud/jobs/3894 17:24:37 ksinny: cool 17:25:21 will check with Sayan tomorrow for exact status 17:26:51 so anything else or can we call it a meeting? 17:27:08 nothing here 17:27:16 60s countdown starts now 17:28:15 #endmeeting