16:30:04 <miabbott> #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 16:30:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 11 16:30:04 2018 UTC. The chair is miabbott. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 16:30:15 <miabbott> #topic roll call 16:30:18 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury 16:30:22 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com> 16:30:23 <dustymabe> .hello2 16:30:28 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com> 16:30:41 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal 16:30:42 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in> 16:31:14 <miabbott> #chair sayan dustymabe kushal 16:31:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe kushal miabbott sayan 16:31:21 <ksinny> .hello sinnykumari 16:31:23 <zodbot> ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' <ksinny@gmail.com> 16:31:49 <walters> .hello walters 16:31:50 <zodbot> walters: walters 'Colin Walters' <walters@redhat.com> 16:32:01 <miabbott> #chair ksinny walters 16:32:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:32:05 <miabbott> .hello miabbott 16:32:10 <zodbot> miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' <miabbott@redhat.com> 16:34:23 <miabbott> pretty quiet around here... 16:34:25 <walters> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting 16:34:41 <dustymabe> were we waiting on something? 16:34:51 <dustymabe> previous meeting action items 16:34:52 <miabbott> just giving some time for people to arrive 16:34:56 <dustymabe> +1 16:35:00 <miabbott> #topic previous meeting action items 16:35:10 <miabbott> cverna to open additional tickets for implementing container release changes 16:35:18 <miabbott> dustymabe to coordinate with x3mboy about talking points for f28 final 16:35:22 <miabbott> sanja1 ksinny to make sure we community f28 test day to pa.io and fedora communities 16:35:34 <jlebon> .hello jlebon 16:35:36 <zodbot> jlebon: jlebon 'None' <jonathan@jlebon.com> 16:35:39 <dustymabe> welcome jlebon :) 16:35:42 <miabbott> #chair jlebon 16:35:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jlebon ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:35:48 <jlebon> hi! :) 16:36:02 <miabbott> cverna: you around to comment on your action item above? 16:36:12 <dustymabe> so I talked with x3mboy and we'll re-use that same ticket for f28 final talking points 16:37:05 <miabbott> #info will reuse existing ticket (445) for f28 final talking points 16:37:09 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/445 16:37:37 <dustymabe> I think sanja_ and ksinny got blog posts out to announce the test day 16:37:41 <miabbott> agreed 16:37:49 <dustymabe> nice work ksinny!! 16:37:59 <dustymabe> thanks to everyone who reviewed 16:38:08 <ksinny> #info Blogpost has been published to both pa.io and Fedora Magazine https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/449#comment-505351 16:38:32 <miabbott> #action cverna to open additional tickets for implementing container release changes 16:38:50 <miabbott> onward to the 'meeting' tag 16:39:01 <dustymabe> so since we have fewer people here today should we abbreviate the meeting a bit? 16:39:09 <dustymabe> I have a proposal 16:39:19 <miabbott> should we skip the 'meeting' tag items? 16:40:05 <dustymabe> is there any 'meeting' tag item that someone really wants to discuss? 16:40:25 * sanja_ shakes head. 16:40:36 <dustymabe> actually it looks like two new things were added 16:40:46 <dustymabe> miabbott: yes please carry on with meeting items 16:40:47 <miabbott> i tagged those ahead of the meeting 16:40:50 <dustymabe> i'm sorry 16:40:55 <dustymabe> let's go through them 16:41:07 <miabbott> we'll make it quick 16:41:19 <miabbott> #topic coordinate Project Atomic-related talks for devconf.in (447) 16:41:22 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/447 16:41:41 <miabbott> this seems like an ongoing task until the CfP closes 16:42:05 <dustymabe> yes 16:42:14 <miabbott> moving on, then 16:42:30 <miabbott> #topic investigate coreos ignition for use in Fedora (450) 16:42:33 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/450 16:42:50 <dustymabe> miabbott: :) I removed the meeting tag after you loaded the page I think 16:42:56 <miabbott> sweet 16:42:58 <dustymabe> I have some updates but I'll put them in the ticket 16:43:03 <miabbott> dustymabe: do you want to be assigned to that ticket? 16:43:07 <dustymabe> miabbott: yes 16:43:13 <miabbott> cool 16:43:16 <walters> sounds good to me 16:43:17 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks 16:43:17 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <jbrooks@redhat.com> 16:43:28 <miabbott> #chair jbrooks 16:43:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks jlebon ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:43:38 <miabbott> #topic F28 Atomic Beta and Openshift Origin 3.9 results in nodes NotReady (452) 16:43:41 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/452 16:44:03 <miabbott> this is a bug report affecting F28; prevents kube/openshift from being used on the host 16:44:14 <miabbott> jbrooks has a workaround for it 16:44:30 <dustymabe> miabbott++ 16:44:33 <miabbott> and the BZ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558425) has been proposed as an FE 16:44:44 <dustymabe> we really need to get this fixed before next week so we can get it in to f28 final 16:44:53 <dustymabe> we've been talking with lsm5 16:45:35 <dustymabe> we can move on 16:45:42 <miabbott> okey dokey 16:45:45 <dustymabe> unless anyone has any other suggestions? 16:45:53 <dustymabe> i really wish the scratch build he gave us worked 16:45:56 <dustymabe> but :( 16:46:12 <miabbott> #topic Consider turning on automatic updates (453) 16:46:15 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/453 16:46:29 <miabbott> jlebon proposes enabling automatic updates by default 16:47:07 <miabbott> i'd say interested parties should weigh in on the ticket 16:47:18 <dustymabe> jlebon: hmm 16:47:31 <dustymabe> so are you proposing we enable auto updates via the code you already did on ostree 16:47:36 <misc> does autoupdate mean automated reboot ? 16:47:41 <misc> or just applying them ? 16:47:46 <dustymabe> or are you referring to the operator code work?> 16:47:49 <jlebon> right, in this context, it means full automation 16:47:51 <jbrooks> For now will it just automatically check? 16:47:54 <jlebon> i.e. including reboot 16:48:08 <jlebon> so there is still work that needs to be done on the rpm-ostree/ostree side 16:48:10 <misc> we need to make sure this doesn't leak to FAW :) 16:48:16 <dustymabe> i think if we're going to do that it *needs* to happen at a major fedora version boundary 16:48:22 <jlebon> misc: right of course :) 16:48:36 <jlebon> dustymabe: that's fair, i agree 16:48:39 <misc> (but I think applying should be safe) 16:48:53 <dustymabe> jlebon: there is still work left to do to in rpm-ostree/ostree ? 16:49:41 <misc> could we make it backported as opt-in, so people can test before ? 16:49:51 <dustymabe> misc: of course 16:50:03 <dustymabe> i think from what I'm hearing we make it a goal for f29 16:50:06 <jlebon> dustymabe: yes. we want to leverage the staging work in libostree 16:50:23 <dustymabe> and that will give time for us to get the 'auto rollback on failure' work from GSOC in as well 16:50:24 <jlebon> that sounds reasonable 16:50:45 <dustymabe> so full auto update && auto rollback on failure for f29 16:50:47 <jbrooks> It'd be nice to have it opt-in asap 16:50:58 <dustymabe> jbrooks: yes. opt in will land as soon as it's stable 16:51:00 <misc> I wonder if automated update would have a impact for people using VM, and a 3g modem :/ 16:51:02 <jbrooks> right 16:51:02 <miabbott> dustymabe or jlebon: could you note the goal for f29 in the ticket? 16:51:16 <misc> (but that's likely very specific case) 16:51:20 <dustymabe> jlebon: would you please update the ticket :) and also mention auto rollback 16:51:27 <jlebon> sure 16:51:49 <miabbott> misc: it would still be configurable. you can opt out completely from checking or applying 16:51:56 <dustymabe> yes 16:52:11 <miabbott> that's all the tickets 16:52:16 <miabbott> #topic open floor 16:52:29 <misc> miabbott: yeah, but I assume that people might be taken by surprise somehow :/ 16:52:35 <dustymabe> so I have one thing I want to talk about 16:52:51 <dustymabe> https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:53:03 <dustymabe> podman in atomic host 16:53:10 <dustymabe> if we want that for f28 it needs to happen this week 16:53:23 <jbrooks> I'm +1 16:53:32 <sanja_> +1 as well 16:54:20 <sanja_> I also have one thing after we're done with this 16:54:27 <sayan> an updates from my side, a new release for autocloud & fedimg were pushed to prod last week. 16:54:58 <dustymabe> jbrooks: sanja_ - can you respond to https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422#comment-505358 16:55:06 <dustymabe> sayan++ 16:55:20 <dustymabe> also anyone else that has input please comment on the ticket 16:55:56 <miabbott> #info weigh in on including podman in f28 in ticekt 422 16:55:59 <miabbott> @link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:56:02 <miabbott> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:56:15 <dustymabe> thanks miabbott - did just rpm-ostree install podman and it pulled in buildah 16:56:17 <dustymabe> :( 16:56:56 <ksinny> free buildah 16:57:13 <miabbott> lol 16:57:18 <jbrooks> does buildah being there hurt? 16:57:18 <sanja_> I don't see an issue with it pulling in buildah personally as it's cool - but not sure it's what we want? is it? I'm +1 still for including both podman and buildah 16:57:21 <bowlofeggs> dustymabe said he has to leave now and that ksinny has to leave too 16:57:38 <jbrooks> #vivaunderweardog 16:57:44 <sanja_> bowlofeggs is definitely one of my fav nicknames evah 16:58:04 <bowlofeggs> haha thanks :) 16:58:11 <dustymabe> does buildah being there hurt?? - i don't know but we had been against it in the past 16:58:28 <dustymabe> we'll discuss in the ticket 16:58:31 <dustymabe> I have to leave now 16:58:40 <dustymabe> also annoucnement.. fedora test day going on 16:58:54 <jberkus> IIRC, the opposition w as that originally it required +150MB of files 16:58:56 <dustymabe> sorry I haven't been able to be more involved - thanks to those who have been pulling all the weight 16:58:58 <jberkus> not anymore? 16:59:11 <dustymabe> jberkus: i'll try to look at how large each file is now 16:59:20 <sanja_> dustymabe and others who are attending devconf.us: 16:59:31 <sanja_> jberkus is preparing for the Summit as I'm not there - we need demos 16:59:35 * jlebon has to leave as well 16:59:37 * ksinny leaves 16:59:41 <dustymabe> bye all 17:00:00 <sanja_> if you want to present anything from project atomic including podman, buildah, atomic host, atomic workstation, skopeo etc, let me know and i'll include you in the email 17:00:36 <miabbott> present at summit? 17:00:41 <sanja_> demo at summit 17:00:44 <miabbott> right 17:01:02 <miabbott> #info contact sanja if you want to demo something related to project atomic at summit 17:01:11 <jberkus> basically, we unexpectedly have a pod 17:01:17 <jberkus> so now we want to use it for demos 17:01:22 <sanja_> yep, which is ideal 17:01:35 <sanja_> one cool thing if we could do it would be demo container linux and atomic host side by side 17:02:25 <miabbott> sanja_: would your budget cover getting folks into summit and tickets etc? 17:02:30 <walters> jberkus: we'll definitely need to add some containers to that pod 17:02:39 * miabbott groans 17:03:04 <jberkus> walters: so can I add you to the schedule then ;-) 17:03:32 <jberkus> sanja_: we should talk to Kelly Tenn/Benjamin about that. 17:03:42 <sanja_> about the budget or about containers/coreos? 17:03:53 <sanja_> well, i was about to send the email to them as well 17:03:54 <jberkus> about CL|AH 17:04:02 <sanja_> I think it'd be something people would welcome 17:04:09 <jberkus> sanja_: there's a CoreOS booth as well 17:04:11 <jberkus> er, pod 17:04:15 <jberkus> next to ours 17:04:16 <walters> i am not yet confirmed to go to summit 17:04:48 <sanja_> yeah but we don't have to be this is this and this is that 17:04:59 <sanja_> I'd like the pods to be somewhat inclusive and show we're in it together 17:05:22 <sanja_> it makes no sense if people have to go to both to get a glimpse when one person could demo the both, or two who can then be asked questions together 17:05:23 <sanja_> no? 17:05:29 <jberkus> right 17:05:32 <jberkus> hmmm 17:05:40 <jberkus> can I get any of the CoreOS tooling on FAW? 17:05:59 <sanja_> well, as long as it's an rpm or flatpak or you wanna build it from source, yes why not? 17:06:17 <sanja_> can someone who's admin here kick sanja 17:06:40 <jberkus> sanja_: you need ghost command 17:07:49 <miabbott> i'm going to assume enough has been said about summit + demos 17:07:54 <miabbott> anything else from anyone? 17:07:57 <sanja_> well actually that oculd work on web freenode and the maybe matrix works again 17:08:02 <sanja_> nothing from me 17:08:57 <miabbott> adios muchachos 17:09:00 <miabbott> #endmeeting