16:30:04 #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 16:30:04 Meeting started Wed Apr 11 16:30:04 2018 UTC. The chair is miabbott. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:04 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 16:30:15 #topic roll call 16:30:18 .hello sayanchowdhury 16:30:22 sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' 16:30:23 .hello2 16:30:28 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 16:30:41 .hellomynameis kushal 16:30:42 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 16:31:14 #chair sayan dustymabe kushal 16:31:14 Current chairs: dustymabe kushal miabbott sayan 16:31:21 .hello sinnykumari 16:31:23 ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' 16:31:49 .hello walters 16:31:50 walters: walters 'Colin Walters' 16:32:01 #chair ksinny walters 16:32:01 Current chairs: dustymabe ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:32:05 .hello miabbott 16:32:10 miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' 16:34:23 pretty quiet around here... 16:34:25 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting 16:34:41 were we waiting on something? 16:34:51 previous meeting action items 16:34:52 just giving some time for people to arrive 16:34:56 +1 16:35:00 #topic previous meeting action items 16:35:10 cverna to open additional tickets for implementing container release changes 16:35:18 dustymabe to coordinate with x3mboy about talking points for f28 final 16:35:22 sanja1 ksinny to make sure we community f28 test day to pa.io and fedora communities 16:35:34 .hello jlebon 16:35:36 jlebon: jlebon 'None' 16:35:39 welcome jlebon :) 16:35:42 #chair jlebon 16:35:42 Current chairs: dustymabe jlebon ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:35:48 hi! :) 16:36:02 cverna: you around to comment on your action item above? 16:36:12 so I talked with x3mboy and we'll re-use that same ticket for f28 final talking points 16:37:05 #info will reuse existing ticket (445) for f28 final talking points 16:37:09 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/445 16:37:37 I think sanja_ and ksinny got blog posts out to announce the test day 16:37:41 agreed 16:37:49 nice work ksinny!! 16:37:59 thanks to everyone who reviewed 16:38:08 #info Blogpost has been published to both pa.io and Fedora Magazine https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/449#comment-505351 16:38:32 #action cverna to open additional tickets for implementing container release changes 16:38:50 onward to the 'meeting' tag 16:39:01 so since we have fewer people here today should we abbreviate the meeting a bit? 16:39:09 I have a proposal 16:39:19 should we skip the 'meeting' tag items? 16:40:05 is there any 'meeting' tag item that someone really wants to discuss? 16:40:25 * sanja_ shakes head. 16:40:36 actually it looks like two new things were added 16:40:46 miabbott: yes please carry on with meeting items 16:40:47 i tagged those ahead of the meeting 16:40:50 i'm sorry 16:40:55 let's go through them 16:41:07 we'll make it quick 16:41:19 #topic coordinate Project Atomic-related talks for devconf.in (447) 16:41:22 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/447 16:41:41 this seems like an ongoing task until the CfP closes 16:42:05 yes 16:42:14 moving on, then 16:42:30 #topic investigate coreos ignition for use in Fedora (450) 16:42:33 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/450 16:42:50 miabbott: :) I removed the meeting tag after you loaded the page I think 16:42:56 sweet 16:42:58 I have some updates but I'll put them in the ticket 16:43:03 dustymabe: do you want to be assigned to that ticket? 16:43:07 miabbott: yes 16:43:13 cool 16:43:16 sounds good to me 16:43:17 .fas jasonbrooks 16:43:17 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 16:43:28 #chair jbrooks 16:43:28 Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks jlebon ksinny kushal miabbott sayan walters 16:43:38 #topic F28 Atomic Beta and Openshift Origin 3.9 results in nodes NotReady (452) 16:43:41 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/452 16:44:03 this is a bug report affecting F28; prevents kube/openshift from being used on the host 16:44:14 jbrooks has a workaround for it 16:44:30 miabbott++ 16:44:33 and the BZ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558425) has been proposed as an FE 16:44:44 we really need to get this fixed before next week so we can get it in to f28 final 16:44:53 we've been talking with lsm5 16:45:35 we can move on 16:45:42 okey dokey 16:45:45 unless anyone has any other suggestions? 16:45:53 i really wish the scratch build he gave us worked 16:45:56 but :( 16:46:12 #topic Consider turning on automatic updates (453) 16:46:15 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/453 16:46:29 jlebon proposes enabling automatic updates by default 16:47:07 i'd say interested parties should weigh in on the ticket 16:47:18 jlebon: hmm 16:47:31 so are you proposing we enable auto updates via the code you already did on ostree 16:47:36 does autoupdate mean automated reboot ? 16:47:41 or just applying them ? 16:47:46 or are you referring to the operator code work?> 16:47:49 right, in this context, it means full automation 16:47:51 For now will it just automatically check? 16:47:54 i.e. including reboot 16:48:08 so there is still work that needs to be done on the rpm-ostree/ostree side 16:48:10 we need to make sure this doesn't leak to FAW :) 16:48:16 i think if we're going to do that it *needs* to happen at a major fedora version boundary 16:48:22 misc: right of course :) 16:48:36 dustymabe: that's fair, i agree 16:48:39 (but I think applying should be safe) 16:48:53 jlebon: there is still work left to do to in rpm-ostree/ostree ? 16:49:41 could we make it backported as opt-in, so people can test before ? 16:49:51 misc: of course 16:50:03 i think from what I'm hearing we make it a goal for f29 16:50:06 dustymabe: yes. we want to leverage the staging work in libostree 16:50:23 and that will give time for us to get the 'auto rollback on failure' work from GSOC in as well 16:50:24 that sounds reasonable 16:50:45 so full auto update && auto rollback on failure for f29 16:50:47 It'd be nice to have it opt-in asap 16:50:58 jbrooks: yes. opt in will land as soon as it's stable 16:51:00 I wonder if automated update would have a impact for people using VM, and a 3g modem :/ 16:51:02 right 16:51:02 dustymabe or jlebon: could you note the goal for f29 in the ticket? 16:51:16 (but that's likely very specific case) 16:51:20 jlebon: would you please update the ticket :) and also mention auto rollback 16:51:27 sure 16:51:49 misc: it would still be configurable. you can opt out completely from checking or applying 16:51:56 yes 16:52:11 that's all the tickets 16:52:16 #topic open floor 16:52:29 miabbott: yeah, but I assume that people might be taken by surprise somehow :/ 16:52:35 so I have one thing I want to talk about 16:52:51 https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:53:03 podman in atomic host 16:53:10 if we want that for f28 it needs to happen this week 16:53:23 I'm +1 16:53:32 +1 as well 16:54:20 I also have one thing after we're done with this 16:54:27 an updates from my side, a new release for autocloud & fedimg were pushed to prod last week. 16:54:58 jbrooks: sanja_ - can you respond to https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422#comment-505358 16:55:06 sayan++ 16:55:20 also anyone else that has input please comment on the ticket 16:55:56 #info weigh in on including podman in f28 in ticekt 422 16:55:59 @link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:56:02 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/422 16:56:15 thanks miabbott - did just rpm-ostree install podman and it pulled in buildah 16:56:17 :( 16:56:56 free buildah 16:57:13 lol 16:57:18 does buildah being there hurt? 16:57:18 I don't see an issue with it pulling in buildah personally as it's cool - but not sure it's what we want? is it? I'm +1 still for including both podman and buildah 16:57:21 dustymabe said he has to leave now and that ksinny has to leave too 16:57:38 #vivaunderweardog 16:57:44 bowlofeggs is definitely one of my fav nicknames evah 16:58:04 haha thanks :) 16:58:11 does buildah being there hurt?? - i don't know but we had been against it in the past 16:58:28 we'll discuss in the ticket 16:58:31 I have to leave now 16:58:40 also annoucnement.. fedora test day going on 16:58:54 IIRC, the opposition w as that originally it required +150MB of files 16:58:56 sorry I haven't been able to be more involved - thanks to those who have been pulling all the weight 16:58:58 not anymore? 16:59:11 jberkus: i'll try to look at how large each file is now 16:59:20 dustymabe and others who are attending devconf.us: 16:59:31 jberkus is preparing for the Summit as I'm not there - we need demos 16:59:35 * jlebon has to leave as well 16:59:37 * ksinny leaves 16:59:41 bye all 17:00:00 if you want to present anything from project atomic including podman, buildah, atomic host, atomic workstation, skopeo etc, let me know and i'll include you in the email 17:00:36 present at summit? 17:00:41 demo at summit 17:00:44 right 17:01:02 #info contact sanja if you want to demo something related to project atomic at summit 17:01:11 basically, we unexpectedly have a pod 17:01:17 so now we want to use it for demos 17:01:22 yep, which is ideal 17:01:35 one cool thing if we could do it would be demo container linux and atomic host side by side 17:02:25 sanja_: would your budget cover getting folks into summit and tickets etc? 17:02:30 jberkus: we'll definitely need to add some containers to that pod 17:02:39 * miabbott groans 17:03:04 walters: so can I add you to the schedule then ;-) 17:03:32 sanja_: we should talk to Kelly Tenn/Benjamin about that. 17:03:42 about the budget or about containers/coreos? 17:03:53 well, i was about to send the email to them as well 17:03:54 about CL|AH 17:04:02 I think it'd be something people would welcome 17:04:09 sanja_: there's a CoreOS booth as well 17:04:11 er, pod 17:04:15 next to ours 17:04:16 i am not yet confirmed to go to summit 17:04:48 yeah but we don't have to be this is this and this is that 17:04:59 I'd like the pods to be somewhat inclusive and show we're in it together 17:05:22 it makes no sense if people have to go to both to get a glimpse when one person could demo the both, or two who can then be asked questions together 17:05:23 no? 17:05:29 right 17:05:32 hmmm 17:05:40 can I get any of the CoreOS tooling on FAW? 17:05:59 well, as long as it's an rpm or flatpak or you wanna build it from source, yes why not? 17:06:17 can someone who's admin here kick sanja 17:06:40 sanja_: you need ghost command 17:07:49 i'm going to assume enough has been said about summit + demos 17:07:54 anything else from anyone? 17:07:57 well actually that oculd work on web freenode and the maybe matrix works again 17:08:02 nothing from me 17:08:57 adios muchachos 17:09:00 #endmeeting