16:31:27 <ksinny> #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg
16:31:28 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 16 16:31:27 2018 UTC.
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16:31:34 <dustymabe> .hello2
16:31:34 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
16:31:40 <ksinny> #topic roll call
16:31:45 <lorbus> .hello2
16:31:46 <zodbot> lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <c@petersen-glombek.de>
16:31:52 <ksinny> .hello sinnykumari
16:31:54 <zodbot> ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' <ksinny@gmail.com>
16:32:52 <jdoss> .hello jdoss
16:32:53 <zodbot> jdoss: jdoss 'Joe Doss' <joe@solidadmin.com>
16:33:34 <ashcrow> .hello smilner
16:33:35 <zodbot> ashcrow: smilner 'None' <smilner@redhat.com>
16:34:13 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
16:34:14 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
16:34:16 <walters> .hello2  (but i may miss some of this as there's something i need to take care of for the house here)
16:34:17 <zodbot> walters: walters 'Colin Walters' <walters@redhat.com>
16:34:38 <ksinny> #chair dustymabe lorbus jdoss ashcrow sayan walters
16:34:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters
16:34:41 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
16:34:42 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
16:34:46 <ksinny> #chair jberkus
16:34:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jberkus jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters
16:34:59 <ksinny> Let's move to meeting agenda
16:35:18 <ksinny> #topic Action items from last meeting
16:35:28 <ksinny> * ksinny  to write upgrade/features of f28 atomic host for fedmag
16:35:28 <ksinny> * ksinny to open a atomic-wg ticket for F29 cloud/atomic Test Day
16:35:53 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks
16:35:54 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <jbrooks@redhat.com>
16:37:07 <ksinny> #info Article for F28 Atomic Host Feature has been published in Fedora Magazine https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-28-atomic-host-brings-podman-automatic-update-check/
16:37:15 <ashcrow> ksinny++
16:37:24 <dustymabe> ksinny++ +1000
16:37:56 <lorbus> nice ksinny++
16:37:56 <zodbot> lorbus: Karma for sinnykumari changed to 9 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:37:57 <ksinny> #info ksinny created ticket for F29 Atomic/Cloud tst Day - https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/465
16:38:02 <dustymabe> lorbus: woot!
16:38:08 <ksinny> Thanks everyone!
16:38:12 <jdoss> I have to leave at 11:45. I was going to wait to open floor to post this but consideration of Kernel Module support for Atomic (and future CoreOS developments) -- I will be posting an update of the WIP on https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/493 that I have done so far to get third party kernel modules built and loaded on Atomic. I think my WIP will scratch my own itch and hopefully for others too.
16:38:24 <ksinny> #chair jbrooks
16:38:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters
16:38:48 <ksinny> We don't have any tickets tagged for meeting
16:38:51 <dustymabe> ksinny: let's change to jdoss' topic real quick
16:39:02 <ksinny> Does any one have to discuss anything befoe we move to Open Floor?
16:39:08 <ksinny> sure
16:39:12 <ksinny> #topic jdoss
16:39:32 <dustymabe> jdoss: repeat your earlier statement
16:40:01 <jdoss> I would like consideration for Kernel Module support for Atomic (and future CoreOS developments) -- I will be posting an update of the WIP on https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/493 that I have done so far to get third party kernel modules built and loaded on Atomic. I think my WIP will scratch my own itch and hopefully for others too.
16:40:44 <ksinny> Nice
16:40:50 <ashcrow> Awesome!
16:40:52 <dustymabe> jdoss: so I think your POC could be nice to socialize elsewhere
16:41:01 <dustymabe> maybe even on the Atomic Blog
16:41:06 <jdoss> I can maybe write a fedora mag post? or Atomic Blog?
16:41:19 <dustymabe> yes.
16:41:37 <dustymabe> that being said. external kernel module support is a hard problem to solve :(
16:41:54 <dustymabe> i'm not really sure how much progress we're going to make on that particular issue for a while
16:42:06 <ksinny> So, are we going to write about this at both places?
16:42:10 <jdoss> This is my first time using podman so any kind of advice in that area would be great. I hope to have a rough outline on getting WireGuard working on Atomic by end of the week. I can make a more formal blog post write up after.
16:42:53 <dustymabe> jdoss: sounds good!
16:43:00 <dustymabe> ksinny: i say we choose one place
16:43:03 <ashcrow> agreed
16:43:10 <ashcrow> PA blog makes the most sense to me
16:43:18 <dustymabe> jdoss: for podman.. if you find things that work in docker that don't work in podman then file issues
16:43:29 <ashcrow> We can then have it picked up by mag later if we want to
16:43:33 <ksinny> okay, so blog on PA
16:43:36 <jdoss> If anything my end goal is to provide a framework to get third party kernel modules working in Atomic that other's could follow until Kernel Modules in Atomic / CoreOS get's sorted out.
16:43:55 <dustymabe> jdoss: it all runs as a container?
16:44:07 <jdoss> It loads the module on the host from the container.
16:44:48 <dustymabe> jdoss: got any smart engineers that you could throw at fixing the problem at the source?
16:44:49 <dustymabe> https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-ostree/issues/1091
16:45:30 <jdoss> I haven't shoved traffic through WireGuard but lsmod say's the module is loading.
16:46:19 <jdoss> Getting my Ruby dev cowokers to take a crack at that might be a stretch. ;)
16:46:26 <dustymabe> :)
16:46:32 <dustymabe> it was worth a shot
16:46:33 * cverna waves
16:46:36 <dustymabe> thanks jdoss
16:46:39 <dustymabe> welcome cverna
16:46:44 <ashcrow> hey cverna!
16:46:45 <jdoss> Thanks folks for your time. I gotta jet.
16:46:45 <ksinny> #chair cverna
16:46:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: ashcrow cverna dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters
16:46:51 <ksinny> #action jdoss to write a blogpost about his ongoing work on Kernel Module support for Atomic on projectatomic blog
16:46:58 <ksinny> does this sound good?
16:47:05 <jdoss> Sounds great to me ksinny
16:47:06 <dustymabe> LGTM
16:47:09 <ksinny> cool
16:47:23 <jberkus> kernel modules really feels like something where we should enable easy ostree composes
16:47:29 <jberkus> and re-distribution
16:47:41 <dustymabe> ksinny: I have a topic
16:47:48 <ksinny> ok, go on
16:48:03 <dustymabe> #topic Atomic/CoreOS announcements at Red Hat Summit
16:48:38 <dustymabe> anyone have any questions regarding the annoucements at Red Hat summit? the announcements were mostly product focused, but have implications for upstream community as well
16:48:58 <lorbus> do we know already what the RH CoreOS upstream will be?
16:49:13 <dustymabe> as pointed out on social media we should have been better prepared with a FAQ for the community
16:49:34 <lorbus> and how does it relate to the silverblue initiative?
16:49:42 <dustymabe> lorbus: we know it will be Fedora based, I imagine it will be much like how the atomic working group operates today
16:50:05 <dustymabe> but probably with a lot more involvement from community and from Red Hat (since we have more engineers working on it)
16:50:15 <lorbus> dustymabe: cool!!
16:50:45 <ashcrow> lorbus: silverblue and FCOS will share some tech and be Fedora based but each will focus on different use cases.
16:50:46 <jberkus> dustymabe: we had a faq prepared interally at Red Hat, we were not allowed to release it.
16:50:58 <ashcrow> jberkus: :-(
16:51:14 <lorbus> ashcrow: thanks for clarifying!
16:51:14 <ksinny> :/
16:51:20 <ashcrow> lorbus: no problem!
16:51:38 <dustymabe> jberkus: i think there was a lot of confusion in the lead up to summit and that was probably one of the things that got dropped as a result
16:51:50 <dustymabe> jberkus: let's plan to put out a FAQ in the next week
16:51:58 <dustymabe> WDYT?
16:52:17 <jbrooks> Are the answers up to us?
16:52:55 <jberkus> dustymabe: you'll need to get clearance from RH management, or start over from scratch.
16:53:05 <ashcrow> Let's follow up and see if we can get the FAQ released. We can follow up with folks outside this meeting.
16:53:08 <dustymabe> jberkus: yeah that's part of it
16:53:49 <dustymabe> #action try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future
16:53:58 <ashcrow> dustymabe: we can get ian to run it down a bit for us
16:54:02 <dustymabe> #undo
16:54:02 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by dustymabe at 16:53:49 : try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future
16:54:13 <dustymabe> #action dusty/ashcrow/jberkus try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future
16:54:19 <ashcrow> sgtm
16:54:27 <lorbus> dustymabe++
16:54:27 <zodbot> lorbus: Karma for dustymabe changed to 6 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:54:38 <dustymabe> ksinny: I have another one :)
16:54:55 <ksinny> dustymabe: You should have run the meeting :)
16:55:19 <ksinny> Go on
16:55:22 <dustymabe> #topic dhcp CVE
16:55:44 <ksinny> ah yes
16:55:45 <dustymabe> #info dhcp CVE info https://fedoramagazine.org/protect-fedora-system-dhcp-flaw/
16:56:01 <dustymabe> #info we have a new release of FAH going out right now, will be out soon
16:56:21 <dustymabe> anyone want to volunteer to update the article with information about Fedora Atomic Host (and Workstation)
16:56:24 <walters> the way I think about this is there are a lot of overlapping concerns - products vs projects vs communities - the high level goal is that they're all interconnected.  So if you're in this community (or the existing CL community) please do bring up topics/concerns and continue being involved while the product sides of things flesh out more - they will drive each other
16:57:19 <ksinny> walters++
16:57:19 <zodbot> ksinny: Karma for walters changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:57:50 <ashcrow> +1
16:58:11 <dustymabe> jbrooks/ jberkus / jdoss (i'm picking on the Js) anyone want to update the fedmag article ?
16:58:16 <dustymabe> https://fedoramagazine.org/protect-fedora-system-dhcp-flaw/
16:58:42 <dustymabe> i'm going to not let ksinny or sayan do it since it's late in their day :)
16:58:55 <dustymabe> I can also do it if no one voluntolds
16:59:18 <ksinny> dustymabe: yup, that's the reason I didn't picked. It will be 1 day of delay which is not good for this update
16:59:22 <jbrooks> I'm looking to see if I have a login
16:59:41 <jbrooks> We just need to add rpm-ostree upgrade -r ?
16:59:42 <jberkus> I really can't do anything on Atomic for the rest of the Kubernetes release cycle, sorry.
16:59:54 <dustymabe> jbrooks: you can just send the updated text to stickste r - but we should get you a login to fedmag too
17:00:03 <jbrooks> I do have a login
17:00:07 <dustymabe> perfect
17:00:16 <jbrooks> I can send him the text when it's out
17:00:23 <dustymabe> jbrooks: yeah mostly just telling them to upgrade and what version has the fix in it
17:00:30 <jbrooks> OK
17:00:42 <dustymabe> jbrooks: I think jlebon has done some work that will show users pending CVE fixes as well
17:00:54 <jbrooks> Yeah, I've seen that
17:00:58 <dustymabe> bonus points if you show some of that output (assuming it's in a released fedora)
17:01:16 <dustymabe> #action jbrooks to update fedmag article for CVE once FAH release is out
17:01:25 <ksinny> thanks
17:01:25 <dustymabe> ksinny: I promise to shut up now :)
17:01:30 * ashcrow chuckles
17:01:44 * sayan laughs
17:01:46 <ksinny> dustymabe: no worries, please discuss more topics if you have :)
17:02:01 * dustymabe has tape over mouth
17:02:05 <ksinny> haha
17:02:08 <lorbus> ^^
17:02:26 <ksinny> I will discuss one topic quickly
17:02:33 <ksinny> #topic Fedora 29 Atomic/Cloud Test Day
17:02:40 <ksinny> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/465
17:03:05 <ksinny> We got tentative date from QA to have test Day on Monday 1 October 2018
17:03:32 <ksinny> Please comment on ticket if you think this date will work
17:03:44 <dustymabe> ksinny: +1
17:03:52 <ashcrow> nice
17:03:53 <ksinny> That's all
17:03:58 <ksinny> #topic Open Floor
17:04:34 <ksinny> Who all have topic(s) for Open Floor?
17:04:43 <ashcrow> nothing from me
17:04:47 <sayan> none from me
17:04:59 <dustymabe> #info - we had our 2nd meeting for the Fedora IoT rpm-ostree automatic rollback GSOC project - results: https://pagure.io/fedora-iot/issue/2#comment-511940
17:05:01 <ksinny> dustymabe has already shut his mouth ;)
17:05:08 <dustymabe> oops, just opened it
17:05:09 <ashcrow> LOL
17:05:34 <ksinny> dustymabe: nice
17:05:58 <lorbus> oh yeah, I'm on it :) hope I'll have something to show by the end of the week/start of next!
17:06:05 <dustymabe> lorbus: woot!
17:06:10 <ksinny> lorbus++
17:06:10 <zodbot> ksinny: Karma for lorbus changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:07:09 <ksinny> Any more item before we close our meeting?
17:07:31 <dustymabe> nope.. other than ksinny is awesome! and thank you for running the APAC meetings too
17:08:05 <ksinny> dustymabe: No probelem! I just wish more people shows up for that meeting :)
17:08:23 <lorbus> thanks for hosting ksinny++!!
17:08:31 <ashcrow> thanks ksinny!
17:08:31 <ksinny> #endmeeting