16:31:27 #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 16:31:28 Meeting started Wed May 16 16:31:27 2018 UTC. 16:31:28 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:31:28 The chair is ksinny. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:31:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:31:28 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 16:31:34 .hello2 16:31:34 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 16:31:40 #topic roll call 16:31:45 .hello2 16:31:46 lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' 16:31:52 .hello sinnykumari 16:31:54 ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' 16:32:52 .hello jdoss 16:32:53 jdoss: jdoss 'Joe Doss' 16:33:34 .hello smilner 16:33:35 ashcrow: smilner 'None' 16:34:13 .hello sayanchowdhury 16:34:14 sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' 16:34:16 .hello2 (but i may miss some of this as there's something i need to take care of for the house here) 16:34:17 walters: walters 'Colin Walters' 16:34:38 #chair dustymabe lorbus jdoss ashcrow sayan walters 16:34:38 Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters 16:34:41 .hello jberkus 16:34:42 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 16:34:46 #chair jberkus 16:34:46 Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jberkus jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters 16:34:59 Let's move to meeting agenda 16:35:18 #topic Action items from last meeting 16:35:28 * ksinny to write upgrade/features of f28 atomic host for fedmag 16:35:28 * ksinny to open a atomic-wg ticket for F29 cloud/atomic Test Day 16:35:53 .fas jasonbrooks 16:35:54 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 16:37:07 #info Article for F28 Atomic Host Feature has been published in Fedora Magazine https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-28-atomic-host-brings-podman-automatic-update-check/ 16:37:15 ksinny++ 16:37:24 ksinny++ +1000 16:37:56 nice ksinny++ 16:37:56 lorbus: Karma for sinnykumari changed to 9 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:37:57 #info ksinny created ticket for F29 Atomic/Cloud tst Day - https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/465 16:38:02 lorbus: woot! 16:38:08 Thanks everyone! 16:38:12 I have to leave at 11:45. I was going to wait to open floor to post this but consideration of Kernel Module support for Atomic (and future CoreOS developments) -- I will be posting an update of the WIP on https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/493 that I have done so far to get third party kernel modules built and loaded on Atomic. I think my WIP will scratch my own itch and hopefully for others too. 16:38:24 #chair jbrooks 16:38:24 Current chairs: ashcrow dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters 16:38:48 We don't have any tickets tagged for meeting 16:38:51 ksinny: let's change to jdoss' topic real quick 16:39:02 Does any one have to discuss anything befoe we move to Open Floor? 16:39:08 sure 16:39:12 #topic jdoss 16:39:32 jdoss: repeat your earlier statement 16:40:01 I would like consideration for Kernel Module support for Atomic (and future CoreOS developments) -- I will be posting an update of the WIP on https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/493 that I have done so far to get third party kernel modules built and loaded on Atomic. I think my WIP will scratch my own itch and hopefully for others too. 16:40:44 Nice 16:40:50 Awesome! 16:40:52 jdoss: so I think your POC could be nice to socialize elsewhere 16:41:01 maybe even on the Atomic Blog 16:41:06 I can maybe write a fedora mag post? or Atomic Blog? 16:41:19 yes. 16:41:37 that being said. external kernel module support is a hard problem to solve :( 16:41:54 i'm not really sure how much progress we're going to make on that particular issue for a while 16:42:06 So, are we going to write about this at both places? 16:42:10 This is my first time using podman so any kind of advice in that area would be great. I hope to have a rough outline on getting WireGuard working on Atomic by end of the week. I can make a more formal blog post write up after. 16:42:53 jdoss: sounds good! 16:43:00 ksinny: i say we choose one place 16:43:03 agreed 16:43:10 PA blog makes the most sense to me 16:43:18 jdoss: for podman.. if you find things that work in docker that don't work in podman then file issues 16:43:29 We can then have it picked up by mag later if we want to 16:43:33 okay, so blog on PA 16:43:36 If anything my end goal is to provide a framework to get third party kernel modules working in Atomic that other's could follow until Kernel Modules in Atomic / CoreOS get's sorted out. 16:43:55 jdoss: it all runs as a container? 16:44:07 It loads the module on the host from the container. 16:44:48 jdoss: got any smart engineers that you could throw at fixing the problem at the source? 16:44:49 https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-ostree/issues/1091 16:45:30 I haven't shoved traffic through WireGuard but lsmod say's the module is loading. 16:46:19 Getting my Ruby dev cowokers to take a crack at that might be a stretch. ;) 16:46:26 :) 16:46:32 it was worth a shot 16:46:33 * cverna waves 16:46:36 thanks jdoss 16:46:39 welcome cverna 16:46:44 hey cverna! 16:46:45 Thanks folks for your time. I gotta jet. 16:46:45 #chair cverna 16:46:45 Current chairs: ashcrow cverna dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny lorbus sayan walters 16:46:51 #action jdoss to write a blogpost about his ongoing work on Kernel Module support for Atomic on projectatomic blog 16:46:58 does this sound good? 16:47:05 Sounds great to me ksinny 16:47:06 LGTM 16:47:09 cool 16:47:23 kernel modules really feels like something where we should enable easy ostree composes 16:47:29 and re-distribution 16:47:41 ksinny: I have a topic 16:47:48 ok, go on 16:48:03 #topic Atomic/CoreOS announcements at Red Hat Summit 16:48:38 anyone have any questions regarding the annoucements at Red Hat summit? the announcements were mostly product focused, but have implications for upstream community as well 16:48:58 do we know already what the RH CoreOS upstream will be? 16:49:13 as pointed out on social media we should have been better prepared with a FAQ for the community 16:49:34 and how does it relate to the silverblue initiative? 16:49:42 lorbus: we know it will be Fedora based, I imagine it will be much like how the atomic working group operates today 16:50:05 but probably with a lot more involvement from community and from Red Hat (since we have more engineers working on it) 16:50:15 dustymabe: cool!! 16:50:45 lorbus: silverblue and FCOS will share some tech and be Fedora based but each will focus on different use cases. 16:50:46 dustymabe: we had a faq prepared interally at Red Hat, we were not allowed to release it. 16:50:58 jberkus: :-( 16:51:14 ashcrow: thanks for clarifying! 16:51:14 :/ 16:51:20 lorbus: no problem! 16:51:38 jberkus: i think there was a lot of confusion in the lead up to summit and that was probably one of the things that got dropped as a result 16:51:50 jberkus: let's plan to put out a FAQ in the next week 16:51:58 WDYT? 16:52:17 Are the answers up to us? 16:52:55 dustymabe: you'll need to get clearance from RH management, or start over from scratch. 16:53:05 Let's follow up and see if we can get the FAQ released. We can follow up with folks outside this meeting. 16:53:08 jberkus: yeah that's part of it 16:53:49 #action try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future 16:53:58 dustymabe: we can get ian to run it down a bit for us 16:54:02 #undo 16:54:02 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by dustymabe at 16:53:49 : try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future 16:54:13 #action dusty/ashcrow/jberkus try to get community FAQ released around Atomic/CoreOS future 16:54:19 sgtm 16:54:27 dustymabe++ 16:54:27 lorbus: Karma for dustymabe changed to 6 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:54:38 ksinny: I have another one :) 16:54:55 dustymabe: You should have run the meeting :) 16:55:19 Go on 16:55:22 #topic dhcp CVE 16:55:44 ah yes 16:55:45 #info dhcp CVE info https://fedoramagazine.org/protect-fedora-system-dhcp-flaw/ 16:56:01 #info we have a new release of FAH going out right now, will be out soon 16:56:21 anyone want to volunteer to update the article with information about Fedora Atomic Host (and Workstation) 16:56:24 the way I think about this is there are a lot of overlapping concerns - products vs projects vs communities - the high level goal is that they're all interconnected. So if you're in this community (or the existing CL community) please do bring up topics/concerns and continue being involved while the product sides of things flesh out more - they will drive each other 16:57:19 walters++ 16:57:19 ksinny: Karma for walters changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:57:50 +1 16:58:11 jbrooks/ jberkus / jdoss (i'm picking on the Js) anyone want to update the fedmag article ? 16:58:16 https://fedoramagazine.org/protect-fedora-system-dhcp-flaw/ 16:58:42 i'm going to not let ksinny or sayan do it since it's late in their day :) 16:58:55 I can also do it if no one voluntolds 16:59:18 dustymabe: yup, that's the reason I didn't picked. It will be 1 day of delay which is not good for this update 16:59:22 I'm looking to see if I have a login 16:59:41 We just need to add rpm-ostree upgrade -r ? 16:59:42 I really can't do anything on Atomic for the rest of the Kubernetes release cycle, sorry. 16:59:54 jbrooks: you can just send the updated text to stickste r - but we should get you a login to fedmag too 17:00:03 I do have a login 17:00:07 perfect 17:00:16 I can send him the text when it's out 17:00:23 jbrooks: yeah mostly just telling them to upgrade and what version has the fix in it 17:00:30 OK 17:00:42 jbrooks: I think jlebon has done some work that will show users pending CVE fixes as well 17:00:54 Yeah, I've seen that 17:00:58 bonus points if you show some of that output (assuming it's in a released fedora) 17:01:16 #action jbrooks to update fedmag article for CVE once FAH release is out 17:01:25 thanks 17:01:25 ksinny: I promise to shut up now :) 17:01:30 * ashcrow chuckles 17:01:44 * sayan laughs 17:01:46 dustymabe: no worries, please discuss more topics if you have :) 17:02:01 * dustymabe has tape over mouth 17:02:05 haha 17:02:08 ^^ 17:02:26 I will discuss one topic quickly 17:02:33 #topic Fedora 29 Atomic/Cloud Test Day 17:02:40 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/465 17:03:05 We got tentative date from QA to have test Day on Monday 1 October 2018 17:03:32 Please comment on ticket if you think this date will work 17:03:44 ksinny: +1 17:03:52 nice 17:03:53 That's all 17:03:58 #topic Open Floor 17:04:34 Who all have topic(s) for Open Floor? 17:04:43 nothing from me 17:04:47 none from me 17:04:59 #info - we had our 2nd meeting for the Fedora IoT rpm-ostree automatic rollback GSOC project - results: https://pagure.io/fedora-iot/issue/2#comment-511940 17:05:01 dustymabe has already shut his mouth ;) 17:05:08 oops, just opened it 17:05:09 LOL 17:05:34 dustymabe: nice 17:05:58 oh yeah, I'm on it :) hope I'll have something to show by the end of the week/start of next! 17:06:05 lorbus: woot! 17:06:10 lorbus++ 17:06:10 ksinny: Karma for lorbus changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:07:09 Any more item before we close our meeting? 17:07:31 nope.. other than ksinny is awesome! and thank you for running the APAC meetings too 17:08:05 dustymabe: No probelem! I just wish more people shows up for that meeting :) 17:08:23 thanks for hosting ksinny++!! 17:08:31 thanks ksinny! 17:08:31 #endmeeting