15:01:33 <davdunc> #startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting
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15:01:49 <davdunc> #topic roll call
15:02:13 <mhayden> 👋
15:02:24 <davdunc> #chair  mhayden
15:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: davdunc mhayden
15:02:43 <davdunc> hey I'll answer your question from the cloud channel here in a sec.
15:03:10 <spotz> o/
15:03:48 <davdunc> hay spotz !
15:03:54 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
15:03:55 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
15:04:05 <davdunc> #chair spotz ngompa
15:04:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: davdunc mhayden ngompa spotz
15:04:11 <spotz> Howdy:)
15:04:22 <davdunc> #chair Eighth_Doctor
15:04:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: Eighth_Doctor davdunc mhayden ngompa spotz
15:04:27 <mikelo> o/
15:04:43 <davdunc> #chair mikelo
15:04:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: Eighth_Doctor davdunc mhayden mikelo ngompa spotz
15:05:04 <davdunc> wow! This is looking like an awesome meeting!
15:05:31 <spotz> I finally got my Libera fixed so I'm not spotz_ half the time:)
15:06:26 <davdunc> hah! I feel you there. I haven't figured out how to rectify my matrix and my irc nicks just yet.
15:06:46 <davdunc> okay.
15:06:53 <Eighth_Doctor> I solved my problem a long time ago :D
15:07:09 <davdunc> I may get your opinion on how to fix mine then!
15:07:42 <davdunc> okay, did I miss anyone on chair there?
15:07:54 <davdunc> #topic Action items from last meeting
15:08:22 <davdunc> davdunc to complete the img-mash (really just 'mash') packaging
15:08:44 <davdunc> well, I didn't. It's harder than I thought and more dependent on sdks than i had hoped.
15:09:11 * davdunc but still working on it when I can and it's coming along, just needs more attention.
15:10:11 <davdunc> it has dependencies on a lot of sdks.
15:11:05 <davdunc> I spoke to rjschwei about it at length and he is suggesting an architectural change to his team to include the various cloud update models as plugins.
15:11:53 <davdunc> for now, I am reducing the dependencies to exclude sdks that we haven't packaged already.
15:12:05 <mikelo> davdunc, is there a lis tof missing sdks?
15:12:26 <davdunc> mikelo: there is not, but I'll put that on my list of htings to provide in an issue for tracking.
15:12:47 <davdunc> #action davdunc to file an issue in cloud-sig with the missing sdks and libs for mash.
15:13:18 <davdunc> thanks for the suggestion mikelo that's a great one.
15:13:30 <mikelo> and one I can work on ;)
15:13:53 <davdunc> aarch64 AMI publication for F35 failing
15:14:06 <davdunc> #link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/365
15:14:55 <davdunc> this turns out to be an infrastructure issue and I forgot to add the ticket to this one.
15:15:39 <mhayden> glad we are ... arm-ed ... with more information on this
15:15:40 <davdunc> I think we are clear on this one.
15:15:53 <davdunc> 🤡
15:15:57 * mhayden tried
15:16:45 <davdunc> we are still not getting all the regions correctly updated in the website, so this is still open. the mash tool should help us eliminate this problem in short order. I just have to finish it.
15:16:49 <spotz> I've missed you Major:)
15:17:06 <davdunc> okay.
15:17:30 <davdunc> spotz mhayden is great to have around.
15:18:17 <davdunc> coordinating default/fallback hostname
15:18:33 <davdunc> I don't know where we are non the change. Does anyone have an update here?
15:18:37 <davdunc> Eighth_Doctor:
15:18:41 <davdunc> ^^
15:18:58 <Eighth_Doctor> I think we're waiting for dustymabe to submit the change?
15:19:12 <dustymabe> .hi
15:19:13 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
15:19:15 <davdunc> okay. do we know if he needs additional assistance here?
15:19:15 <dustymabe> sorry I'm late
15:19:19 <davdunc> #chair dustymabe
15:19:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: Eighth_Doctor davdunc dustymabe mhayden mikelo ngompa spotz
15:19:31 <dustymabe> I just sent an email about it :)
15:19:37 <davdunc> happy to have you here whenever dustymabe
15:19:40 <davdunc> okay cool.
15:19:55 <dustymabe> I updated the change wiki page - just waiting for feedback and then we can go to the next step (I think)
15:20:09 <dustymabe> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FallbackHostname
15:20:10 <davdunc> #link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/376
15:20:28 <davdunc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FallbackHostname
15:20:40 <Eighth_Doctor> it looks reasonable to me
15:21:27 <davdunc> yea this is good for us for sure. cloud-init is doing what we need done in this space, so we would update cloud-config parameters to get a different name.
15:22:10 <davdunc> super. on to new topics?
15:22:39 <davdunc> #topic Restore Cloud Edition Change Proposal
15:23:01 <davdunc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RestoreCloudEdition
15:23:22 <davdunc> flipped to Ready for a Wrangler now that we have council approval
15:23:46 <davdunc> I updated the change from local to system-wide change
15:24:55 <davdunc> if there is something that you believe that we need to update or repair in the detail, please let me know or just do it.
15:25:37 <mhayden> it looks good to me -- i doubled down on one paragraph but that's about it
15:26:03 <davdunc> super!
15:26:17 <davdunc> Anyone else want to comment here?
15:26:53 <davdunc> So we have trademark approval already.
15:27:01 <davdunc> We have an updated PRD
15:27:26 <davdunc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RestoreCloudEdition
15:27:29 <davdunc> upps.
15:27:50 <davdunc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_PRD
15:27:53 <davdunc> better.
15:28:06 <Eighth_Doctor> lgtm
15:28:13 <davdunc> thanks Eighth_Doctor!
15:28:49 <davdunc> The technical specifications are updated as well.
15:29:15 <davdunc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CloudBase/Technical_Specification
15:30:10 <davdunc> We need to move our documentation to the docs project.
15:31:24 <davdunc> #action needsowner move documentation to the docs project
15:33:04 <Eighth_Doctor> well, we could just move it to a git repo and wire it up
15:33:08 <davdunc> mhayden: do you think the image guidelines doc can just go in the working group wiki for now.
15:33:20 <davdunc> Eighth_Doctor: I like that
15:33:20 <Eighth_Doctor> epel, kde, and workstation already did
15:33:31 <mhayden> i think so -- could just label it as a draft that needs feedback
15:33:33 <davdunc> and FCOS too.
15:33:45 <davdunc> mhayden: let's do that.
15:34:07 <mhayden> #action mhayden to make a first pass at a cloud image guidelines doc in the wiki marked as draft/RFC
15:34:11 <davdunc> and Eighth_Doctor I like the idea of a repo that is our docs repo.
15:34:36 <Eighth_Doctor> we can create a fedora-cloud namespace on pagure.io and start shuffling things around
15:34:51 <dustymabe> note that fedora docs are moving to gitlab - you can put docs anywhere you like, but if we create a new repo we should consider not using pagure
15:34:54 <davdunc> Eighth_Doctor: can you take that as an action item?
15:34:57 <Eighth_Doctor> that's how fedora-kde is setup and I think it makes things nice
15:35:02 <Eighth_Doctor> sure
15:35:32 <davdunc> #action Eighth_Doctor to setup a namespace on pagure.io for the fedora-cloud space.
15:36:07 <davdunc> dustymabe: we can add the gitlab space for the docs as well.
15:36:35 <davdunc> my gtlb stock could use a boost. :D
15:36:44 <dustymabe> :)
15:36:46 <mhayden> maybe we could write docs about putting the docs into gitlab
15:37:00 <davdunc> meta-mhayden!
15:37:03 * Eighth_Doctor shrugs
15:37:09 <Eighth_Doctor> anyway, namespace created: https://pagure.io/group/fedora-cloud
15:37:18 <davdunc> thanks!
15:37:23 <Eighth_Doctor> we'll populate it with stuff over time
15:37:25 <davdunc> what took you so long
15:37:28 <davdunc> :D
15:38:10 <davdunc> anything else we need to address here at the moment?
15:39:04 <davdunc> okay moving on for now.
15:39:32 <davdunc> #topic F36 ec2 image: IPV6 Problem Network is unreachable
15:39:37 <davdunc> #link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/382
15:40:12 <davdunc> this is going to have to be a part of our testing.
15:41:08 <davdunc> it's not difficult to reproduce in a strictly ipv6 configured VPC
15:41:36 <davdunc> I haven't determined the issue yet, but happy to have help as I am stretched pretty thin.
15:42:21 * davdunc #action davdunc to file a network manager BZ with a reproducer
15:42:39 <dustymabe> davdunc: do you think this would be an issue for FCOS too?
15:42:43 <davdunc> I keep hitting the command button to send and irccloud makes it a "/me"
15:42:54 <davdunc> dustymabe: I do.
15:43:24 <dustymabe> FCOS should probably add a test for this
15:43:56 * dustymabe has to run
15:44:00 <dustymabe> bbiab
15:44:07 <davdunc> yea. we need a strictly ipv6 vpc and an instance launched there. then you need a bastion host.
15:44:16 <davdunc> cya!
15:44:56 <davdunc> we can test to the bastion host because it should have both and connect to the ipv6 only host.
15:46:53 <davdunc> anything else you see here?
15:47:44 <davdunc> there is an unusually long time between dhcpv6 request and dhcpdv6 response...
15:47:52 <davdunc> it may be a timeout issue.
15:48:37 <davdunc> #topic Ship a kubevirt containerdisk with every release
15:48:54 <davdunc> #link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/381
15:49:56 <davdunc> any objections to shipping the containerdisk?
15:50:08 <davdunc> I think it's a great idea.
15:50:20 <mhayden> that sounds easier than i expected it would be
15:50:24 <mhayden> no objection here
15:50:36 <davdunc> yea. it's a great thing to add, imo
15:50:44 <davdunc> should we vote?
15:51:20 <davdunc> #proposed  Add the KubeVirt containerdisk to fedora-cloud releases
15:51:30 <davdunc> +1 from me.
15:51:55 <mhayden> +1
15:52:23 <davdunc> Eighth_Doctor: ?
15:52:31 <Eighth_Doctor> +1
15:53:06 <davdunc> mikelo spotz ? you wanna weigh in here?
15:53:12 <Eighth_Doctor> I will ask that it needs to be multi-arch
15:53:24 <Eighth_Doctor> all Fedora arches should be supported
15:53:28 <davdunc> yes.
15:53:31 <spotz> Not sure I'm informed enough on the discussion to + or -
15:53:44 <davdunc> I think that's appropriate Eighth_Doctor
15:54:24 <davdunc> spotz: that's alright. it's basically an image for isolated virt in kubernetes.
15:54:54 <davdunc> it's similar (the same) as how the windows instances get in there.
15:55:12 <Eighth_Doctor> it's basically for OpenShift Virtualization and other KubeVirt systems like Harvester
15:55:30 <davdunc> it's good for multi-tenant configurations
15:55:57 <davdunc> and serverless models.
15:56:18 <spotz> Sounds like a +1 than:)
15:56:23 <davdunc> :)
15:56:35 <davdunc> calling it then.
15:57:08 <mhayden> woot
15:57:11 <davdunc> #agreed fedora-cloud will include  a kubevirt containerdisk with the release cycle.
15:58:16 <davdunc> okay.
15:58:20 <davdunc> #open floor
15:58:26 <davdunc> #topic open floor
15:58:28 <davdunc> better.
15:58:49 <davdunc> before we run out of time, does anyone have anything they would like to bring up?
16:00:15 <mhayden> not i
16:00:20 <Eighth_Doctor> nope
16:00:21 <davdunc> alrighty ! I want to thank you all for attending and tell you I am excited at the prospect of returning to edition!
16:00:36 <davdunc> #endmeeting