17:01:26 <kushal> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud WG
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17:01:36 <kushal> #topic Roll Call
17:01:37 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks
17:01:37 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:01:38 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro
17:01:40 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com>
17:01:47 <sayan> .hellomynameis sayanchowdhury
17:01:48 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:01:49 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:01:49 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:01:51 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:01:54 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:01:54 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:01:57 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:02:01 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:02:02 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:02:25 <kushal> Anyone else?
17:02:28 <aalam> .fas aalam
17:02:28 <zodbot> aalam: deannaalamillo 'Deanna Alamillo' <deanna_alamillo@yahoo.com> - aalam '' <amanpreet.alam@gmail.com>
17:02:32 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:02:33 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:02:53 <dustymabe> aalam: welcome
17:03:22 <aalam> dustymabe: thanks
17:03:29 <kushal> aalam, Good to see you here :)
17:04:02 <kushal> #chair jberkus rtnpro sayan dustymabe trishnag maxamillion aalam jberkus
17:04:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: aalam dustymabe jberkus kushal maxamillion rtnpro sayan trishnag
17:04:34 <kushal> Missing many regulars :(
17:04:38 <kushal> Anyway
17:04:47 <kushal> #topic Action items from the last week's meeting
17:04:57 <kushal> * kushal to investigate adding cdrom via embedded vagrantfile for ticket
17:04:58 <kushal> 136
17:04:58 <kushal> * rtnpro to update #125
17:04:58 <kushal> * nzwulfin will update the cloud list for reviewing Atomic Storage
17:04:58 <kushal> Clients
17:04:58 <kushal> * kushal to review #148 and submit back feedback to maxamillion by
17:05:00 <kushal> 2016-02-25
17:05:02 <kushal> * kushal to send a reminder to list about #148
17:05:48 <kushal> We dustymabe's help I have found that embedded vagrantfile comes from the imagefactory itself.
17:06:08 <kushal> I am not happy about keep patching Imagefactory for any such work.
17:06:27 <kushal> I have reviewed #148, and also dropped a mail to the list for the help.
17:06:35 <kushal> nzwulfin is missing today.
17:06:40 <kushal> rtnpro, any update?
17:06:58 <rtnpro> kushal, hey
17:06:59 <dustymabe> kushal: there is also this issue: https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/issues/361
17:07:17 <dustymabe> which is an RFE for iimagefactory accepting a custom vagrantfile
17:07:39 <rtnpro> so, I updated ticket #125
17:08:00 <kushal> Just pinged Ian.
17:08:14 <maxamillion> imcleod: oh hello :)
17:08:16 <rtnpro> I think it's best to add nulecule examples on top of Fedora base image in upstream nulecule-library
17:08:35 <rtnpro> dustymabe, thoughts?
17:08:38 <imcleod> maxamillion: Hi.  How have I failed you today?
17:09:13 <maxamillion> imcleod: me? not at all, this is a discussion about vagrant and I couldn't care less about vagrant
17:09:28 <kushal> imcleod, Welcome :)
17:09:43 <imcleod> maxamillion: Now you've failed me.  Or at least disappointed.  ;-) Vagrant is a fantastic tool for spreading Fedora.
17:10:15 <maxamillion> imcleod: I will agree to disagree
17:10:36 <rtnpro> kushal just ping'd me that his network went down
17:10:57 <maxamillion> fun :)
17:10:57 <rtnpro> dustymabe, ?
17:11:15 <dustymabe> rtnpro: I'll update the ticket with thoughts
17:11:26 <rtnpro> dustymabe, cool :)
17:12:53 <scollier> .hello
17:12:53 <zodbot> scollier: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
17:12:59 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:13:00 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:13:24 <kushal> back
17:13:48 <kushal> #chair scollier
17:13:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: aalam dustymabe jberkus kushal maxamillion rtnpro sayan scollier trishnag
17:14:12 <kushal> #topic Fedora Cloud FAD (late 2015/early 2016) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115
17:14:26 <scollier> hi kushal, sorry i'm late
17:14:30 <kushal> We still need help in filling up the FAD proposal.
17:14:38 <kushal> scollier, No problem, I was disconnected
17:15:18 <kushal> dustymabe, jzb Need help there
17:15:36 <dustymabe> jzb: is out
17:15:45 <dustymabe> I'll try to brain dump on the bullet list at some point
17:15:55 <jberkus> kushal: wait, what do you need?
17:16:00 <kushal> dustymabe, Thanks :)
17:16:14 <kushal> jberkus, action items for the FAD :)
17:16:20 <jberkus> ah, ok
17:16:27 <jberkus> well, I have one ...
17:16:32 <kushal> jberkus, I have added what I had in mind, I guess mattdm also did.
17:16:52 <scollier> kushal, add to where?
17:17:08 <kushal> scollier, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Cloud_WG_2016
17:17:12 <kushal> scollier, You should attend :)
17:17:16 <scollier> kushal, thanks.
17:17:34 <scollier> kushal, i will seriously consider it.
17:17:45 <kushal> scollier, Thanks :)
17:17:52 <maxamillion> has anyone sorted out how many people we can realistically fund for travel with the approved budget?
17:18:02 <kushal> dustymabe, do you want to add an action item on yourself?
17:18:03 <maxamillion> hotel, flights, food, etc
17:18:12 <kushal> maxamillion, 6-8
17:18:22 <kushal> maxamillion, that is the number we did in other FAD(s)
17:19:00 * kushal has more than 4 seconds of lag
17:19:14 <maxamillion> arlight
17:19:16 <maxamillion> alright*
17:19:34 * kushal has more than 20 seconds of lag
17:20:12 <kushal> #topic Document process for using Fedora-Dockerfile branches https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/123
17:21:01 <kushal> scollier, dustymabe maxamillion anyone ^^^?
17:21:11 <scollier> kushal, i'm collapsing all those.
17:21:17 <scollier> master is back up to speed for f23
17:21:25 <scollier> kushal, i'll collapse and update ticket.
17:21:50 <maxamillion> kushal: I added a +1 in the ticket
17:21:53 <dustymabe> scollier: +1
17:22:06 <kushal> scollier, Thank you :)
17:22:16 <kushal> scollier, btw, I will ping you after this meeting.
17:22:20 <scollier> kushal, ok
17:22:29 <kushal> Moving next then
17:22:37 <kushal> #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125
17:23:43 <kushal> Does the update means there will be no official Kubernets examples on Fedora images?
17:24:21 <dustymabe> kushal: the update from me?
17:24:23 <kushal> dustymabe, rtnpro ^^?
17:24:33 <kushal> dustymabe, I mean all of those :)
17:24:59 <dustymabe> yeah - at least my perspective is that we don't have the bandwidth (at least in atomic app land)
17:25:02 <dustymabe> to manage both
17:25:11 <kushal> Okay
17:25:20 <dustymabe> if the community wants to create examples and house them in a repo then that works
17:25:25 <dustymabe> but I can't really sign up for it
17:25:27 <kushal> #info Atomic app team does not have bandwidth to maintain examples in Fedora land
17:25:31 <rtnpro> kushal, also, I see it redundant to duplicate the effort in Fedora land as well
17:25:36 <kushal> dustymabe, Understood.
17:26:02 <kushal> Generally we expect the upstream projects to work on Fedora land first, and then other distributions.
17:26:02 <rtnpro> kushal, we'll just end up copying code
17:26:26 <kushal> rtnpro, as I said above, but I can understand the point mentioned by you all.
17:26:54 <kushal> scollier, any thoughts from your side?
17:27:00 <kushal> As you opened that ticket.
17:27:40 <scollier> kushal, reading up.
17:27:52 <kushal> Okay, we will wait.
17:28:13 <dustymabe> kushal: I mentioned in the ticket that we can have a version of atomicapp in Fedora
17:28:17 <dustymabe> that is based on Fedora
17:28:27 <dustymabe> but the examples that we have are based on centos
17:28:32 <kushal> Okay.
17:28:34 <scollier> kushal, i don't have bandwidth right now either.  but i consider it very important to get done.
17:28:47 <dustymabe> so the upsteam software (being atomicapp) can and is in fedora as well
17:28:55 <jberkus> I'll have a few based on Fedora within the week ...
17:28:56 <dustymabe> but the actual examples
17:29:01 <dustymabe> are centos based
17:29:32 <kushal> scollier, Okay.
17:30:19 <kushal> Skipping the imagefactory related tickets.
17:30:28 <scollier> jberkus, were do you want to house those?
17:30:30 <kushal> Or is imcleod is here
17:30:43 * kushal was dc that time
17:30:48 <imcleod> I'm here.
17:30:56 <imcleod> kushal: I'm here
17:31:02 <kushal> #topic make docker archived image get imported with lowercase tag https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131
17:31:33 <kushal> maxamillion, imcleod any chance that you discussed the above mentioned ticket?
17:31:48 <imcleod> upstream fix, just need to cut a release, am trying to cram in a few more changes prior to turning the RPM crank.
17:32:18 <kushal> Nice
17:32:19 <maxamillion> kushal: I honestly can't remember, but it seems like imcleod has it covered :)
17:32:23 <imcleod> https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/commit/11b673d51326ce74b33ea2433f0ffb8bc311baee
17:32:38 <kushal> imcleod, Can you please update the ticket with that information?
17:32:40 <jberkus> scollier: unclear.   the problem is that the ones I'm working on are project in their own right
17:32:56 <jberkus> scollier: for example, I'm currently turing atomic-site into an atomic.app
17:33:15 <scollier> jberkus, ok.  that's the rub.
17:34:07 <kushal> .app sounds like mobile applications :)
17:34:18 <kushal> Anyway, we can move to next ticket.
17:34:41 <jberkus> scollier: what about just having links?
17:34:56 <kushal> #topic Produce updated cloud base images monthly https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/138
17:35:24 <dustymabe> so the proposal was to move this to F24
17:35:28 <kushal> I think we should do this now, but sadly the cloud image builds for F23 was broken for last few days, today again it started working
17:35:31 <dustymabe> but that was before the glibc cve
17:35:32 <scollier> jberkus, i'm not opposed to it.
17:35:51 <kushal> I think the i386 image also failed in the tests.
17:35:52 <dustymabe> maxamillion: considering the cve is the extra effort worth it?
17:36:15 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I'm not sure I follow
17:36:36 <dustymabe> there is extra effort involved in releasing an updated cloud base image (not atomic host)
17:36:43 <dustymabe> so we decided to push it to F24
17:36:53 <dustymabe> but now with the glibc cve
17:37:03 <dustymabe> should we reconsider whether the extra effort is worth it?
17:37:06 <maxamillion> dustymabe: that's a question for kushal, I don't do anything with fedimg
17:37:21 <kushal> Not fedimg
17:37:21 <dustymabe> maxamillion: I thought you mentioned web site update, etcc
17:37:27 <dustymabe> that are parts of releasing a new image
17:37:29 <maxamillion> dustymabe: oh, right
17:37:32 <maxamillion> hrmmm...
17:37:32 <kushal> I am okay withthe update.
17:38:24 <kushal> maxamillion, do you have the required steps for you for a 2WA atomic release?
17:38:48 <kushal> I mean * steps written down somewhere*
17:38:49 <maxamillion> kushal: I'm not sure I have the context, do date I've done nothing with the cloud base image
17:39:07 <kushal> maxamillion, Yes, just asking for the steps you follow for the atomic image
17:39:13 <maxamillion> kushal: you mean other than https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic ?
17:39:52 <kushal> Oh okay, i will follow that :)
17:39:55 <kushal> maxamillion, Thanks :)
17:40:14 <dustymabe> k so we have decided that we want to release an updated cloud image
17:40:15 <maxamillion> kushal: I'll take the action item to write a 2WA SOP for https://docs.pagure.org/releng/sop.html
17:40:34 <dustymabe> kushal: can you run this to ground and talk with all the required parties to make it happen
17:40:35 <kushal> #action maxamillion will write a SOP for 2WA release
17:40:43 <kushal> dustymabe, I will
17:40:49 <dustymabe> kushal: we can either get you or jzb or me to write up a blog post about it for fedmag
17:41:12 <kushal> #action kushal to release an updated Cloud image with help from everyone :)
17:41:17 <kushal> dustymabe, Okay
17:41:22 <dustymabe> kushal: should we target the next 2WA release date as the same date for release for the cloud base image?
17:41:39 <kushal> maxamillion, when is the next release?
17:41:47 <dustymabe> I believe next week?
17:42:12 <kushal> Then we have time, good.
17:42:13 <maxamillion> kushal: next tuesday pending we can get the nightly builds back in good shape
17:42:22 <kushal> maxamillion, Good.
17:43:03 <maxamillion> which I think we can, just need to be sure and get it done
17:44:05 <kushal> #topic Don't overwrite download location for 2 week atomic images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147
17:44:17 <kushal> dustymabe, maxamillion anything on this one?
17:45:18 <dustymabe> kushal: have chatted with maxamillion on this - he is aware of the exact problem
17:45:23 <dustymabe> and is working on ways to fix it
17:45:36 <dustymabe> it might not happen until the "new process" for releasing images is in place
17:45:43 <dustymabe> but he is going to try to make this happen soon
17:46:38 <kushal> Nice.
17:47:46 <maxamillion> sorry, had to step afk for a sec
17:47:49 <kushal> dustymabe, maxamillion Can anyone of you please update the ticket?
17:47:53 <kushal> maxamillion, No problem :)
17:48:08 <dustymabe> maxamillion: do you mind updating the ticket
17:48:12 <maxamillion> yeah, I know the issue and I'm trying to sort out ways to fix it without breaking everything ... with any luck I can find time to work on this tomorrow
17:48:12 <dustymabe> since you are most familiar
17:48:18 <maxamillion> I will
17:48:23 <dustymabe> thanks
17:48:37 <kushal> #action maxamillion will update #147
17:49:03 <kushal> #topic Container "Packager" Guildelines and Naming Conventions https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/148
17:49:11 <kushal> maxamillion, again, yours ticket :)
17:49:42 <kushal> * your
17:50:02 <maxamillion> yeah, this has just been back burnered while I'm getting the layered image build service deployed into stage ... been learning things about the Fedora Infra as I go and it's taken me longer than I had originally hoped
17:51:24 <kushal> Okay.
17:51:30 <maxamillion> my goal is to have the initial stage deployment done by the end of the day, finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and then I can get back to these other things
17:52:43 <kushal> maxamillion, Okay.
17:52:54 <kushal> maxamillion, If you need any help, feel free to ping us :)
17:53:04 <maxamillion> certainly
17:53:06 <kushal> Moving to Open Floor
17:53:10 <kushal> maxamillion, Thanks :)
17:53:34 <jberkus> I want to urge folks to at least list their names on the FAD wiki page, even if you don't have other details yet.
17:53:45 <kushal> jberkus +1 to that
17:53:49 <kushal> I will add my details
17:53:55 <kushal> #topic Open Floor
17:54:54 <kushal> I am writing that state of tests blog post/mail, will send that out in some time.
17:54:57 <dustymabe> scollier: maxamillion do you mind adding yours
17:55:04 <maxamillion> adding now
17:55:18 <scollier> dustymabe, ack
17:56:20 <kushal> Anything else for open floor?
17:56:40 <dustymabe> kushal: nothing from me
17:56:46 <jberkus> kushal: how do we get the word out on the FAD to the larger Fedora community?
17:56:55 <kushal> Last week I also did a blog post on the meeting, I will do the same tomorrow about today's meeting.
17:57:08 <dustymabe> jberkus: is that something we can highly promote?
17:57:12 <kushal> jberkus, We will have to announce it after feeling up the initial details.
17:57:30 <kushal> jberkus, dustymabe But our first target should be the Cloud WG participation.
17:57:31 <jberkus> dustymabe: I don't know that we want to *highly* promote it
17:57:34 <dustymabe> if we have funding for not that many people
17:57:44 <jberkus> but we do want people to find it if it's their core interest
17:58:37 <dustymabe> ok - however we want to do it is fine - just didn't know what the policy was
17:58:48 <maxamillion> I think the FAD could be promoted with the understanding that the SIG can only fund travel for people who are very involved in and actively contribute to the Cloud SIG but others could absolutely participate remotely
17:58:59 <kushal> dustymabe, jberkus Generally FAD(s) are very much targeted audience.
17:59:02 <kushal> To get things done.
17:59:09 <kushal> maxamillion, Yup.
17:59:22 <kushal> Okay, 1 minute left.
18:00:20 <jberkus> should I announce the FAD on projectatomic.io/blog?  and if so, when?
18:00:34 <kushal> jberkus, After we have the wiki page totally filled up.
18:00:39 <jberkus> ok
18:00:44 <kushal> jberkus, should be in 1-2 weeks
18:00:51 <kushal> Closing in 5
18:00:57 <kushal> if nothing else comes up.
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18:01:12 <kushal> #endmeeting