17:01:26 <kushal> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud WG 17:01:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 2 17:01:26 2016 UTC. The chair is kushal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_wg' 17:01:36 <kushal> #topic Roll Call 17:01:37 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks 17:01:37 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM> 17:01:38 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro 17:01:40 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com> 17:01:47 <sayan> .hellomynameis sayanchowdhury 17:01:48 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com> 17:01:49 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:01:49 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal 17:01:51 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com> 17:01:54 <trishnag> .hello trishnag 17:01:54 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in> 17:01:57 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com> 17:02:01 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 17:02:02 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com> 17:02:25 <kushal> Anyone else? 17:02:28 <aalam> .fas aalam 17:02:28 <zodbot> aalam: deannaalamillo 'Deanna Alamillo' <deanna_alamillo@yahoo.com> - aalam '' <amanpreet.alam@gmail.com> 17:02:32 <jberkus> .hello jberkus 17:02:33 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com> 17:02:53 <dustymabe> aalam: welcome 17:03:22 <aalam> dustymabe: thanks 17:03:29 <kushal> aalam, Good to see you here :) 17:04:02 <kushal> #chair jberkus rtnpro sayan dustymabe trishnag maxamillion aalam jberkus 17:04:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: aalam dustymabe jberkus kushal maxamillion rtnpro sayan trishnag 17:04:34 <kushal> Missing many regulars :( 17:04:38 <kushal> Anyway 17:04:47 <kushal> #topic Action items from the last week's meeting 17:04:57 <kushal> * kushal to investigate adding cdrom via embedded vagrantfile for ticket 17:04:58 <kushal> 136 17:04:58 <kushal> * rtnpro to update #125 17:04:58 <kushal> * nzwulfin will update the cloud list for reviewing Atomic Storage 17:04:58 <kushal> Clients 17:04:58 <kushal> * kushal to review #148 and submit back feedback to maxamillion by 17:05:00 <kushal> 2016-02-25 17:05:02 <kushal> * kushal to send a reminder to list about #148 17:05:48 <kushal> We dustymabe's help I have found that embedded vagrantfile comes from the imagefactory itself. 17:06:08 <kushal> I am not happy about keep patching Imagefactory for any such work. 17:06:27 <kushal> I have reviewed #148, and also dropped a mail to the list for the help. 17:06:35 <kushal> nzwulfin is missing today. 17:06:40 <kushal> rtnpro, any update? 17:06:58 <rtnpro> kushal, hey 17:06:59 <dustymabe> kushal: there is also this issue: https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/issues/361 17:07:17 <dustymabe> which is an RFE for iimagefactory accepting a custom vagrantfile 17:07:39 <rtnpro> so, I updated ticket #125 17:08:00 <kushal> Just pinged Ian. 17:08:14 <maxamillion> imcleod: oh hello :) 17:08:16 <rtnpro> I think it's best to add nulecule examples on top of Fedora base image in upstream nulecule-library 17:08:35 <rtnpro> dustymabe, thoughts? 17:08:38 <imcleod> maxamillion: Hi. How have I failed you today? 17:09:13 <maxamillion> imcleod: me? not at all, this is a discussion about vagrant and I couldn't care less about vagrant 17:09:28 <kushal> imcleod, Welcome :) 17:09:43 <imcleod> maxamillion: Now you've failed me. Or at least disappointed. ;-) Vagrant is a fantastic tool for spreading Fedora. 17:10:15 <maxamillion> imcleod: I will agree to disagree 17:10:36 <rtnpro> kushal just ping'd me that his network went down 17:10:57 <maxamillion> fun :) 17:10:57 <rtnpro> dustymabe, ? 17:11:15 <dustymabe> rtnpro: I'll update the ticket with thoughts 17:11:26 <rtnpro> dustymabe, cool :) 17:12:53 <scollier> .hello 17:12:53 <zodbot> scollier: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 17:12:59 <scollier> .hello scollier 17:13:00 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com> 17:13:24 <kushal> back 17:13:48 <kushal> #chair scollier 17:13:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: aalam dustymabe jberkus kushal maxamillion rtnpro sayan scollier trishnag 17:14:12 <kushal> #topic Fedora Cloud FAD (late 2015/early 2016) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115 17:14:26 <scollier> hi kushal, sorry i'm late 17:14:30 <kushal> We still need help in filling up the FAD proposal. 17:14:38 <kushal> scollier, No problem, I was disconnected 17:15:18 <kushal> dustymabe, jzb Need help there 17:15:36 <dustymabe> jzb: is out 17:15:45 <dustymabe> I'll try to brain dump on the bullet list at some point 17:15:55 <jberkus> kushal: wait, what do you need? 17:16:00 <kushal> dustymabe, Thanks :) 17:16:14 <kushal> jberkus, action items for the FAD :) 17:16:20 <jberkus> ah, ok 17:16:27 <jberkus> well, I have one ... 17:16:32 <kushal> jberkus, I have added what I had in mind, I guess mattdm also did. 17:16:52 <scollier> kushal, add to where? 17:17:08 <kushal> scollier, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Cloud_WG_2016 17:17:12 <kushal> scollier, You should attend :) 17:17:16 <scollier> kushal, thanks. 17:17:34 <scollier> kushal, i will seriously consider it. 17:17:45 <kushal> scollier, Thanks :) 17:17:52 <maxamillion> has anyone sorted out how many people we can realistically fund for travel with the approved budget? 17:18:02 <kushal> dustymabe, do you want to add an action item on yourself? 17:18:03 <maxamillion> hotel, flights, food, etc 17:18:12 <kushal> maxamillion, 6-8 17:18:22 <kushal> maxamillion, that is the number we did in other FAD(s) 17:19:00 * kushal has more than 4 seconds of lag 17:19:14 <maxamillion> arlight 17:19:16 <maxamillion> alright* 17:19:34 * kushal has more than 20 seconds of lag 17:20:12 <kushal> #topic Document process for using Fedora-Dockerfile branches https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/123 17:21:01 <kushal> scollier, dustymabe maxamillion anyone ^^^? 17:21:11 <scollier> kushal, i'm collapsing all those. 17:21:17 <scollier> master is back up to speed for f23 17:21:25 <scollier> kushal, i'll collapse and update ticket. 17:21:50 <maxamillion> kushal: I added a +1 in the ticket 17:21:53 <dustymabe> scollier: +1 17:22:06 <kushal> scollier, Thank you :) 17:22:16 <kushal> scollier, btw, I will ping you after this meeting. 17:22:20 <scollier> kushal, ok 17:22:29 <kushal> Moving next then 17:22:37 <kushal> #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125 17:23:43 <kushal> Does the update means there will be no official Kubernets examples on Fedora images? 17:24:21 <dustymabe> kushal: the update from me? 17:24:23 <kushal> dustymabe, rtnpro ^^? 17:24:33 <kushal> dustymabe, I mean all of those :) 17:24:59 <dustymabe> yeah - at least my perspective is that we don't have the bandwidth (at least in atomic app land) 17:25:02 <dustymabe> to manage both 17:25:11 <kushal> Okay 17:25:20 <dustymabe> if the community wants to create examples and house them in a repo then that works 17:25:25 <dustymabe> but I can't really sign up for it 17:25:27 <kushal> #info Atomic app team does not have bandwidth to maintain examples in Fedora land 17:25:31 <rtnpro> kushal, also, I see it redundant to duplicate the effort in Fedora land as well 17:25:36 <kushal> dustymabe, Understood. 17:26:02 <kushal> Generally we expect the upstream projects to work on Fedora land first, and then other distributions. 17:26:02 <rtnpro> kushal, we'll just end up copying code 17:26:26 <kushal> rtnpro, as I said above, but I can understand the point mentioned by you all. 17:26:54 <kushal> scollier, any thoughts from your side? 17:27:00 <kushal> As you opened that ticket. 17:27:40 <scollier> kushal, reading up. 17:27:52 <kushal> Okay, we will wait. 17:28:13 <dustymabe> kushal: I mentioned in the ticket that we can have a version of atomicapp in Fedora 17:28:17 <dustymabe> that is based on Fedora 17:28:27 <dustymabe> but the examples that we have are based on centos 17:28:32 <kushal> Okay. 17:28:34 <scollier> kushal, i don't have bandwidth right now either. but i consider it very important to get done. 17:28:47 <dustymabe> so the upsteam software (being atomicapp) can and is in fedora as well 17:28:55 <jberkus> I'll have a few based on Fedora within the week ... 17:28:56 <dustymabe> but the actual examples 17:29:01 <dustymabe> are centos based 17:29:32 <kushal> scollier, Okay. 17:30:19 <kushal> Skipping the imagefactory related tickets. 17:30:28 <scollier> jberkus, were do you want to house those? 17:30:30 <kushal> Or is imcleod is here 17:30:43 * kushal was dc that time 17:30:48 <imcleod> I'm here. 17:30:56 <imcleod> kushal: I'm here 17:31:02 <kushal> #topic make docker archived image get imported with lowercase tag https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131 17:31:33 <kushal> maxamillion, imcleod any chance that you discussed the above mentioned ticket? 17:31:48 <imcleod> upstream fix, just need to cut a release, am trying to cram in a few more changes prior to turning the RPM crank. 17:32:18 <kushal> Nice 17:32:19 <maxamillion> kushal: I honestly can't remember, but it seems like imcleod has it covered :) 17:32:23 <imcleod> https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/commit/11b673d51326ce74b33ea2433f0ffb8bc311baee 17:32:38 <kushal> imcleod, Can you please update the ticket with that information? 17:32:40 <jberkus> scollier: unclear. the problem is that the ones I'm working on are project in their own right 17:32:56 <jberkus> scollier: for example, I'm currently turing atomic-site into an atomic.app 17:33:15 <scollier> jberkus, ok. that's the rub. 17:34:07 <kushal> .app sounds like mobile applications :) 17:34:18 <kushal> Anyway, we can move to next ticket. 17:34:41 <jberkus> scollier: what about just having links? 17:34:56 <kushal> #topic Produce updated cloud base images monthly https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/138 17:35:24 <dustymabe> so the proposal was to move this to F24 17:35:28 <kushal> I think we should do this now, but sadly the cloud image builds for F23 was broken for last few days, today again it started working 17:35:31 <dustymabe> but that was before the glibc cve 17:35:32 <scollier> jberkus, i'm not opposed to it. 17:35:51 <kushal> I think the i386 image also failed in the tests. 17:35:52 <dustymabe> maxamillion: considering the cve is the extra effort worth it? 17:36:15 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I'm not sure I follow 17:36:36 <dustymabe> there is extra effort involved in releasing an updated cloud base image (not atomic host) 17:36:43 <dustymabe> so we decided to push it to F24 17:36:53 <dustymabe> but now with the glibc cve 17:37:03 <dustymabe> should we reconsider whether the extra effort is worth it? 17:37:06 <maxamillion> dustymabe: that's a question for kushal, I don't do anything with fedimg 17:37:21 <kushal> Not fedimg 17:37:21 <dustymabe> maxamillion: I thought you mentioned web site update, etcc 17:37:27 <dustymabe> that are parts of releasing a new image 17:37:29 <maxamillion> dustymabe: oh, right 17:37:32 <maxamillion> hrmmm... 17:37:32 <kushal> I am okay withthe update. 17:38:24 <kushal> maxamillion, do you have the required steps for you for a 2WA atomic release? 17:38:48 <kushal> I mean * steps written down somewhere* 17:38:49 <maxamillion> kushal: I'm not sure I have the context, do date I've done nothing with the cloud base image 17:39:07 <kushal> maxamillion, Yes, just asking for the steps you follow for the atomic image 17:39:13 <maxamillion> kushal: you mean other than https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic ? 17:39:52 <kushal> Oh okay, i will follow that :) 17:39:55 <kushal> maxamillion, Thanks :) 17:40:14 <dustymabe> k so we have decided that we want to release an updated cloud image 17:40:15 <maxamillion> kushal: I'll take the action item to write a 2WA SOP for https://docs.pagure.org/releng/sop.html 17:40:34 <dustymabe> kushal: can you run this to ground and talk with all the required parties to make it happen 17:40:35 <kushal> #action maxamillion will write a SOP for 2WA release 17:40:43 <kushal> dustymabe, I will 17:40:49 <dustymabe> kushal: we can either get you or jzb or me to write up a blog post about it for fedmag 17:41:12 <kushal> #action kushal to release an updated Cloud image with help from everyone :) 17:41:17 <kushal> dustymabe, Okay 17:41:22 <dustymabe> kushal: should we target the next 2WA release date as the same date for release for the cloud base image? 17:41:39 <kushal> maxamillion, when is the next release? 17:41:47 <dustymabe> I believe next week? 17:42:12 <kushal> Then we have time, good. 17:42:13 <maxamillion> kushal: next tuesday pending we can get the nightly builds back in good shape 17:42:22 <kushal> maxamillion, Good. 17:43:03 <maxamillion> which I think we can, just need to be sure and get it done 17:44:05 <kushal> #topic Don't overwrite download location for 2 week atomic images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147 17:44:17 <kushal> dustymabe, maxamillion anything on this one? 17:45:18 <dustymabe> kushal: have chatted with maxamillion on this - he is aware of the exact problem 17:45:23 <dustymabe> and is working on ways to fix it 17:45:36 <dustymabe> it might not happen until the "new process" for releasing images is in place 17:45:43 <dustymabe> but he is going to try to make this happen soon 17:46:38 <kushal> Nice. 17:47:46 <maxamillion> sorry, had to step afk for a sec 17:47:49 <kushal> dustymabe, maxamillion Can anyone of you please update the ticket? 17:47:53 <kushal> maxamillion, No problem :) 17:48:08 <dustymabe> maxamillion: do you mind updating the ticket 17:48:12 <maxamillion> yeah, I know the issue and I'm trying to sort out ways to fix it without breaking everything ... with any luck I can find time to work on this tomorrow 17:48:12 <dustymabe> since you are most familiar 17:48:18 <maxamillion> I will 17:48:23 <dustymabe> thanks 17:48:37 <kushal> #action maxamillion will update #147 17:49:03 <kushal> #topic Container "Packager" Guildelines and Naming Conventions https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/148 17:49:11 <kushal> maxamillion, again, yours ticket :) 17:49:42 <kushal> * your 17:50:02 <maxamillion> yeah, this has just been back burnered while I'm getting the layered image build service deployed into stage ... been learning things about the Fedora Infra as I go and it's taken me longer than I had originally hoped 17:51:24 <kushal> Okay. 17:51:30 <maxamillion> my goal is to have the initial stage deployment done by the end of the day, finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and then I can get back to these other things 17:52:43 <kushal> maxamillion, Okay. 17:52:54 <kushal> maxamillion, If you need any help, feel free to ping us :) 17:53:04 <maxamillion> certainly 17:53:06 <kushal> Moving to Open Floor 17:53:10 <kushal> maxamillion, Thanks :) 17:53:34 <jberkus> I want to urge folks to at least list their names on the FAD wiki page, even if you don't have other details yet. 17:53:45 <kushal> jberkus +1 to that 17:53:49 <kushal> I will add my details 17:53:55 <kushal> #topic Open Floor 17:54:54 <kushal> I am writing that state of tests blog post/mail, will send that out in some time. 17:54:57 <dustymabe> scollier: maxamillion do you mind adding yours 17:55:04 <maxamillion> adding now 17:55:18 <scollier> dustymabe, ack 17:56:20 <kushal> Anything else for open floor? 17:56:40 <dustymabe> kushal: nothing from me 17:56:46 <jberkus> kushal: how do we get the word out on the FAD to the larger Fedora community? 17:56:55 <kushal> Last week I also did a blog post on the meeting, I will do the same tomorrow about today's meeting. 17:57:08 <dustymabe> jberkus: is that something we can highly promote? 17:57:12 <kushal> jberkus, We will have to announce it after feeling up the initial details. 17:57:30 <kushal> jberkus, dustymabe But our first target should be the Cloud WG participation. 17:57:31 <jberkus> dustymabe: I don't know that we want to *highly* promote it 17:57:34 <dustymabe> if we have funding for not that many people 17:57:44 <jberkus> but we do want people to find it if it's their core interest 17:58:37 <dustymabe> ok - however we want to do it is fine - just didn't know what the policy was 17:58:48 <maxamillion> I think the FAD could be promoted with the understanding that the SIG can only fund travel for people who are very involved in and actively contribute to the Cloud SIG but others could absolutely participate remotely 17:58:59 <kushal> dustymabe, jberkus Generally FAD(s) are very much targeted audience. 17:59:02 <kushal> To get things done. 17:59:09 <kushal> maxamillion, Yup. 17:59:22 <kushal> Okay, 1 minute left. 18:00:20 <jberkus> should I announce the FAD on projectatomic.io/blog? and if so, when? 18:00:34 <kushal> jberkus, After we have the wiki page totally filled up. 18:00:39 <jberkus> ok 18:00:44 <kushal> jberkus, should be in 1-2 weeks 18:00:51 <kushal> Closing in 5 18:00:57 <kushal> if nothing else comes up. 18:00:58 <kushal> 4 18:01:03 <kushal> 3 18:01:04 <kushal> 2 18:01:07 <kushal> 1 18:01:12 <kushal> #endmeeting