17:00:15 <trishnag> #startmeeting fedora_cloud_wg
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17:00:25 <trishnag> #topic Roll Call
17:00:28 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:00:29 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:00:29 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:00:29 <sayan> .hellomynameis sayanchowdhury
17:00:31 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:00:34 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:00:37 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:00:38 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:00:43 <jberkus> note that I'm logging in from a conference, so laggy/flaky
17:00:47 <akahat> .hello amolkahat
17:00:48 <zodbot> akahat: amolkahat 'Amol Kahat' <amolkahat@gmail.com>
17:00:52 <kushal> akahat, welcome :)
17:01:03 <akahat> hi kushal :)
17:01:08 <trishnag> akahat: welcome
17:01:28 <trishnag> #chair jberkus kushal sayan akahat
17:01:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat jberkus kushal sayan trishnag
17:01:29 <akahat> trishnag, thanks :)
17:01:41 <trishnag> we will wait for few minutes :)
17:02:03 <kushal> Anyone else for the first time?
17:02:52 <jberkus> sayan: you did last meeting, right?
17:03:01 <sayan> jberkus: yep
17:03:05 <jberkus> sayan++
17:03:07 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:03:08 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:03:12 <jberkus> hmm
17:03:19 <trishnag> #chair maxamillion
17:03:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan trishnag
17:03:20 <jberkus> apparently I don't have any more karma to give out
17:03:30 <trishnag> jberkus: :)
17:03:48 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
17:03:49 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <randy@electronsweatshop.com>
17:03:59 <trishnag> #chair bowlofeggs
17:03:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan trishnag
17:04:15 <tflink> .hello tflink
17:04:18 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
17:04:19 <imcleod> .hello imcleod
17:04:22 <zodbot> imcleod: imcleod 'Ian McLeod' <imcleod@redhat.com>
17:04:30 <imcleod> I have another meeting at the half hour.
17:04:34 <trishnag> #chair tflink imcleod
17:04:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan tflink trishnag
17:04:35 <nzwulfin> .hello mmicene
17:04:36 <zodbot> nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com>
17:04:47 <trishnag> #chair nzwulfin
17:04:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion nzwulfin sayan tflink trishnag
17:04:53 <trishnag> #topic Action items from last meeting
17:05:05 <trishnag> * Kushal will work on moving to Pagure from Trac
17:05:05 <trishnag> * jbrooks to send out an email to the list regarding Test Day
17:05:22 <trishnag> kushal: any update on this? ^
17:05:30 <maxamillion> imcleod: I have a meeting now *and* at the half hour ... :D
17:05:40 <trishnag> looks like jboorks is not here.
17:05:43 * kushal still has to work on this, was away for PyCon.
17:05:57 <kushal> trishnag, please readd
17:06:11 <trishnag> kushal: ok I will action is once again.
17:06:24 <trishnag> s/this/is
17:06:43 <trishnag> #action kushal will work on moving to Pagure from Trac
17:07:00 <trishnag> #action jbrooks to send out an email to the list regarding Test Day
17:07:12 <trishnag> moving to meeting items
17:07:16 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:07:18 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:07:27 <trishnag> #chair dustymabe
17:07:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs dustymabe imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion nzwulfin sayan tflink trishnag
17:07:44 <trishnag> #topic vagrant boxes fixups https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/136
17:07:54 <trishnag> imcleod: ^ this is for you.
17:08:20 <sayan> imcleod replied on the ticket
17:08:23 <imcleod> trishnag: I just updated it, in anticipation of this moment :-).
17:08:36 <sayan> should we remove the meeting tag for now?
17:08:41 <imcleod> trishnag: I thought this was simply enabling a feature.  It is not.  Apologies.
17:09:04 <trishnag> imcleod: ahh thanks :)
17:09:12 <trishnag> sayan: yeah that would be nice
17:10:12 <trishnag> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:10:46 <trishnag> jberkus: would you like to say anything on this?
17:11:02 <jberkus> trishnag: still waiting for the next work session.  scollier?
17:11:31 <trishnag> scollier is not here.
17:12:09 <trishnag> jberkus: alright, thanks for the update :)
17:12:36 <trishnag> so we can move to the next ticket.
17:12:54 <trishnag> #topic make Fedora Atomic download page clearer https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/154
17:13:54 <trishnag> jberkus++ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/getfedora_update
17:13:54 <zodbot> trishnag: Karma for jberkus changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:14:42 <jberkus> so I just sent some new mockups to the list
17:14:56 <jberkus> one thing we need to determine: what's our "primary download"?
17:15:14 <jberkus> ISO or AWS?
17:16:17 <dustymabe> primary download for atomic?
17:16:23 <nzwulfin> jberkus: why not the QCOW?
17:16:41 <dustymabe> yeah I was thinking QCOW then cloud providers then ISO
17:16:43 <trishnag> nzwulfin: +1
17:16:51 <kushal> dustymabe, Yes.
17:17:10 <jberkus> so, can someone explain to me what qcow is used for and who would use it?
17:17:27 <dustymabe> it's basically our cloud image
17:17:37 <dustymabe> this cloud image could then be taken and used in cloud providers
17:17:48 <kushal> jberkus, To be used in any Openstack or other cloud providers.
17:17:49 <dustymabe> openstack is one
17:17:49 <nzwulfin> OpenStack, virt providers
17:17:59 <dustymabe> or whatever other one you want to import it into
17:18:03 <maxamillion> jberkus: it's a qemu image format that most virtualization platforms and cloud platforms either know how to work with or can convert from that image format to their native format
17:18:36 <jberkus> ok, is someone willing to write up how that works and how to use it?
17:18:46 <jberkus> because that documentation doesn't currently exist
17:18:46 <maxamillion> I don't follow
17:18:50 <maxamillion> yes it does
17:18:52 <maxamillion> everywhere
17:18:59 <nzwulfin> jberkus: most of the existing docs is around qcow images
17:19:13 <jberkus> example?  and not vagrant
17:19:33 <maxamillion> jberkus: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/index.html
17:19:34 <nzwulfin> http://www.projectatomic.io/docs/quickstart/
17:19:37 <kushal> jberkus, Any document exampling how to use openstack.
17:19:43 <kushal> explaining
17:19:50 * kushal needs to learn typing again.
17:20:09 <maxamillion> jberkus: http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/index.html
17:20:30 <nzwulfin> it's also the primary example on the PA.io download page
17:20:38 <jberkus> ok, so we need a paragraph which explains this and provides relevant links
17:20:48 <jberkus> can someone write that *today*?
17:21:17 <jberkus> basically 3 sentences
17:22:08 <trishnag> jberkus: do you mean in the wiki itself https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/getfedora_update ?
17:22:25 <jberkus> or email, what ever is convenient
17:22:35 <jberkus> I just want to get it to the designer today
17:22:39 <dustymabe> what three sentences do you want? would probably be faster to have people jump in on an etherpad
17:22:43 <dustymabe> http://piratepad.net/RwUDCbZfhR
17:23:10 <jberkus> dustymabe: I want someone to write a "this is a qcow image, this is what it's for, link link link
17:23:10 <jberkus> "
17:23:56 <trishnag> jberkus: I can.
17:23:57 <dustymabe> nzwulfin: maxamillion kushal can you all help him fill that out in the etherpad
17:24:03 <dustymabe> trishnag: ++
17:24:06 <dustymabe> http://piratepad.net/RwUDCbZfhR
17:24:19 <trishnag> dustymabe: thanks for the link. will update it after the meeting
17:24:34 <nzwulfin> jberkus: similar to what's in the design proposal for say the AMI block?
17:24:35 <maxamillion> trishnag++
17:24:35 <zodbot> maxamillion: Karma for trishnag changed to 14 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:24:38 <jberkus> yes
17:24:39 <dustymabe> will be better if we all do it collaboratively - maybe right after the meeting
17:24:55 <trishnag> dustymabe: +1
17:25:35 * nzwulfin nods
17:25:46 <trishnag> ok let's move to the next ticket :)
17:26:05 <trishnag> #topic Decide on post-GA update cadence for various deliverables https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/155
17:26:27 <trishnag> jberkus: Update for this?
17:27:43 <trishnag> looks like there is a proposal out to the releng list as dustymabe said.
17:28:05 <jberkus> trishnag: not my ticket
17:28:20 <trishnag> jberkus: sorry
17:28:34 <trishnag> jboorks is not here. moving to the next one
17:28:37 <sayan> maxamillion had to re-bump the thread
17:30:31 <trishnag> #topic Need complete Kickstart docs for Atomic Host https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/156
17:31:19 <jberkus> that's gotten held up behind work on the new downloads.  essentially done, I just need to publish it
17:31:39 <trishnag> jberkus: awesome! thanks.
17:32:20 <trishnag> moving to the next ticket
17:32:24 <trishnag> #topic Ship fedora-motd in F24 atomic image https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/160
17:32:32 <trishnag> rtnpro: kushal ^
17:32:45 <kushal> rtnpro, has to update on that.
17:32:52 <sayan> rtnpro needs to update
17:33:13 <trishnag> ok he is not here in the meeting today
17:34:11 <trishnag> #topic Decide a process about failed tests for Autocloud https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/167
17:34:23 <trishnag> kushal: update on this one?
17:34:25 <kushal> trishnag, I should update this ticket.
17:34:43 <kushal> #action will update #167 after meeting with details
17:34:49 <kushal> #undo
17:34:49 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by kushal at 17:34:43 : will update #167 after meeting with details
17:34:56 <kushal> #action kushal will update #167 after meeting with details
17:35:12 <trishnag> This looks nice https://pagure.io/atomic-images/issues
17:36:03 <trishnag> #topic Finish new Fedora Cloud PRD https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/170
17:36:51 <jberkus> trishnag: so I'll be taking that after we get the getfedora.org page redesigned
17:36:56 <jberkus> with mattdm's help
17:37:26 <jberkus> of course, if someone else wants to take it on, I'm happy to yield it
17:38:29 <trishnag> jberkus: ok thanks.
17:40:08 <trishnag> we can probably move to open floor if nobody has anything to say on this item. :)
17:40:46 <trishnag> #topic Open Floor
17:41:07 <sayan> what about making the Atomic WG?
17:41:08 <kushal> Few items.
17:41:29 <kushal> Our atomic images are failing to boot (F25) as rpm-ostree is broken.
17:41:53 <kushal> We will have to update our test case (or find the actual cause) for F25 base image failing testcase.
17:42:12 <kushal> We will also have to discuss the idea of merging the working groups.
17:42:45 <jberkus> sayan: I assumed that was a given
17:42:47 <dustymabe> so the images are failing to boot, does anyone know what the issue is?
17:42:52 <dustymabe> is someone working on it?
17:43:21 <sayan> dustymabe: dgilmore replied to the rel-eng mailing list that they are working on it
17:43:34 <kushal> Correct.
17:43:34 <dustymabe> ok - how long ago was that?
17:43:45 <sayan> An hour
17:43:47 <dustymabe> ok cool
17:43:49 <dustymabe> thanks
17:44:00 <dustymabe> did jbrooks ever propose a test day?
17:44:25 <trishnag> dustymabe: jboorks is not around today.
17:44:49 <sayan> dustymabe: afaik, nope
17:44:54 <dustymabe> i'll ping him on it
17:45:31 <sayan> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/rel-eng@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/7XJMBMMBDOZDGDY4ABCUE4GM2TXIWX2T/
17:47:19 <kushal> Any other comment related to merging all the working groups?
17:48:42 <gholms> Merging?
17:49:16 <nzwulfin> kushal: has a proposal been put together for the server WG to look at re: taking on the cloud base?
17:49:32 <kushal> There is a mail in the list with subject line "Cloud Atomic Server WGs"
17:49:49 <kushal> Please have a look.
17:50:00 <kushal> nzwulfin, I think yes, but no details in my mind right now.
17:50:14 <kushal> nzwulfin, I have asked matthew to look at it.
17:50:21 <nzwulfin> kushal: nice
17:51:46 <kushal> Anything else for today?
17:51:59 <sayan> nothing from my side
17:52:14 <gholms> Oh, that one.
17:52:28 <kushal> gholms, sorry for using the word "all"
17:54:51 <akahat> hi i have something to discuss.
17:54:58 <sayan> akahat: go ahead
17:56:07 <akahat> I sent one PR in tunirtests : https://github.com/kushaldas/tunirtests/pull/43
17:56:43 <dgilmore> dustymabe: rpm-ostree is not working in rawhide or f25
17:57:42 <dustymabe> dgilmore: kushal just said that
17:57:53 <dustymabe> said you were looking at it?
17:59:22 <kushal> trishnag, I guess we can end the meeting.
17:59:29 <trishnag> kushal: okay
17:59:40 <jberkus> trishnag++
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17:59:41 <trishnag> #endmeeting