16:30:16 <dustymabe> #startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
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16:30:22 <dustymabe> #topic roll call
16:30:28 <dustymabe> .hello2
16:30:29 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
16:30:34 <jdoss> .hello2
16:30:37 <zodbot> jdoss: jdoss 'Joe Doss' <joe@solidadmin.com>
16:30:40 <slowrie> .hello2
16:30:41 <zodbot> slowrie: slowrie 'Stephen Lowrie' <slowrie@redhat.com>
16:30:53 <miabbott> .hello2
16:30:53 <zodbot> miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' <miabbott@redhat.com>
16:31:03 <puiterwijk> Sorta hello
16:31:14 <rubao> .hello rubaoredhat
16:31:15 <zodbot> rubao: rubaoredhat 'Ruixin Bao' <rubao@redhat.com>
16:31:16 <misc> same
16:31:19 <sanja> .hello2
16:31:20 <zodbot> sanja: sanja 'Sanja Bonic' <sanja@redhat.com>
16:31:44 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks
16:31:45 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <jbrooks@redhat.com>
16:31:47 <ksinny> .hello sinnykumari
16:31:48 <zodbot> ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' <ksinny@gmail.com>
16:31:50 <jlebon> .hello jlebon
16:31:51 <zodbot> jlebon: jlebon 'None' <jonathan@jlebon.com>
16:32:57 <lorbus[m]> .hello lorbus
16:32:58 <zodbot> lorbus[m]: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <c@petersen-glombek.de>
16:33:16 <ajeddeloh> .hello2
16:33:17 <zodbot> ajeddeloh: ajeddeloh 'Andrew Jeddeloh' <andrew.jeddeloh@redhat.com>
16:33:42 <walters> .hello walters
16:33:44 <zodbot> walters: walters 'Colin Walters' <walters@redhat.com>
16:34:21 * cverna is around :)
16:34:24 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
16:34:25 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
16:36:13 * lorbus[m] is on matrix, lagging behind a little
16:36:20 <dustymabe> #topic welcome
16:37:17 <lorbus[m]> welcome to the fam, CoreOS =)
16:37:17 <dustymabe> Hello everyone! this is the first Fedora CoreOS community meeting! We're so happy to have everyone here at Ground Zero!
16:37:27 <jdoss> I was told there would be cake.
16:37:36 * dustymabe gives jdoss cake
16:37:44 <jdoss> \o/
16:37:54 <sanja> jdoss++
16:38:04 <lorbus[m]> lets definitely throw a cookie party!
16:38:06 <puiterwijk> The cake is a lie
16:38:06 <dustymabe> first item up for business
16:38:10 <lorbus[m]> jdoss++
16:38:15 <dustymabe> #topic GitHub or Pagure: community decision
16:38:17 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe++
16:38:20 <dustymabe> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/coreos@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/WSIA23WMKEAWVRI4UJTVFJPCUGCMGTIK/
16:38:28 <lorbus[m]> sanja++
16:38:41 <dustymabe> #info please help us decide where to host our issue/discussion tracker for new features in Fedora CoreOS
16:39:00 <dustymabe> #info There is a google form at https://goo.gl/forms/YqSQVr8odSQxkzzx1
16:39:14 <sanja> lorbus++
16:39:20 <misc> mhh, should we decide of a process rather than tools ?
16:39:28 <dustymabe> if you don't want to vote using a google account (understandable) then please find me or sanja in IRC and you can send us an email for the vote
16:39:47 <dustymabe> misc: perhaps
16:39:59 <sanja> dustymabe if you get emails please insta-forward
16:40:09 <misc> forward on instagram ?
16:40:13 <sanja> right
16:40:23 * sanja throws cookie at misc.
16:40:28 <misc> \o/
16:40:32 * sanja asks if misc accepts the cookie.
16:40:34 <jdoss> What are the pros and cons between the two? I have some in my head but I don't want to start blurting them out.
16:40:48 <sanja> dustymabe you wanna answer first on jdoss' question?
16:40:55 <puiterwijk> I would like to point out that one thing to take into account with Pagure, is that we have direct influence over upcoming feature prioritization.
16:41:01 <dustymabe> jdoss: I can try
16:41:02 <lorbus[m]> are voting right now? i.e. when is the vote closing soon?
16:41:06 <lorbus[m]> misc++
16:41:11 <miabbott> vote by form lorbus[m]
16:41:14 <ajeddeloh> off the top of my head: GH has the existing CL userbase, pagure (presumably) has the existing fedora/FAH userbase
16:41:15 <miabbott> closes jul 4
16:41:53 <misc> so I have a audacious proposition that will me everybody equally happy, use jira (equally happy mean "everybody unhappy in the same way")
16:42:04 <jdoss> someone hold misc down
16:42:05 <lorbus[m]> k thx miabbott++
16:42:15 <jdoss> I will get the large trout
16:42:16 <ksinny> misc++
16:42:16 <zodbot> ksinny: Karma for misc changed to 6 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:42:22 * walters finds out misc's address and configures the ICBM
16:42:26 <miabbott> misc why do you hate all of us
16:42:30 <dustymabe> right there are benefits to both approaches, so we'd like the community to help us decide (hence the email + google form)
16:42:33 <sanja> miabbott++
16:42:37 <misc> miabbott: I am sysadmin, that's part of the job
16:42:53 <sanja> we can't hold misc down long enough or we'll have to feed him and he's picky
16:42:53 <miabbott> sysadmin v users...classic battle
16:43:09 <puiterwijk> miabbott: nah, to a sysadmin, users are just a great test load of the system
16:43:12 <misc> also, what would be exactly on the repo ?
16:43:39 <dustymabe> misc: mostly this is where we discuss upcoming features, propose new features, discuss complicated bugs (could have multiple solutions) etc..
16:43:43 <lorbus[m]> would it make sense to use both? for different sub-projects
16:43:53 <kaeso> misc: something like https://github.com/coreos/bugs I think
16:43:59 <misc> dustymabe: so why is a forge needed for that ?
16:44:04 <puiterwijk> dustymabe, sanja: also, do note that if it's about code, we are planning to introduce outbound sync from Pagure to (e.g.) Github.
16:44:07 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]: right, upstream projects (for example like ignition and rpm-ostree) continue to use their respective GH projects
16:44:14 <jdoss> I find GH easier to for new/current users to jump into contribute. Getting setup on Pagure is not as straight forward.
16:44:24 <misc> and why not use the existing system, aka the list and discourse ?
16:44:25 <miabbott> i echo what jdoss said
16:44:39 <sanja> i echo what jdoss said too
16:44:41 <dustymabe> miabbott: because we need to track issues (assign to people, mark as done)
16:44:43 <ajeddeloh> fwiw I think coreos/bugs is great (easy for users to find, they don't need to triage) but calling it just bugs was a mistake
16:44:43 <lorbus[m]> some may require a broader audience (GH) while some are probably more Fedora CoreOs focused
16:44:44 <sanja> but not everyone does, hence the form
16:44:56 <ajeddeloh> jdoss++
16:44:56 <zodbot> ajeddeloh: Karma for jdoss changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:45:02 <lorbus[m]> thx dustymabe
16:45:09 <puiterwijk> Please note that anyone who's had issues with Pagure, please feel free to let us (infra) know... You can even just send me a PM with any annoyances.
16:45:11 <sanja> i personally am for gitlab but it makes absolute and total sense to continue using the existing coreos organization on github and i personally vote for github and discourse all the way to discuss these things buuuut we have a big form for that
16:45:20 <walters> ajeddeloh: literally just the name?  like it should be `containerlinux-bugs`?  or something else?
16:45:27 <jdoss> but GH is $MS now so I can see the benefits of self hosting.
16:45:32 <dustymabe> right let me make some things clear - if I can have the floor for a moment
16:45:42 * dustymabe waits
16:45:48 <ajeddeloh> no, I think it should have been a more general "launching off" place
16:46:21 <sanja> ajeddeloh - hence why I was for gitlab initially as well :/
16:46:25 <sanja> go dustymabe
16:46:25 <jdoss> Go ahead dustymabe
16:46:27 <dustymabe> - #1 - existing projects and possibly new upstream code projects will use github.com/coreos (just like projectatomic had github.com/projectatomic)
16:46:53 <dustymabe> - #2 - this question is surrounding our Fedora CoreOS issue/discussion tracker (like pagure.io/atomic-wg)
16:47:00 <dustymabe> the discussion is about a single repo
16:47:18 <dustymabe> both options make sense
16:47:34 <dustymabe> but we'd like the community to weigh in
16:47:42 <dustymabe> so google form :)
16:48:07 <misc> is there a need for custom form ?
16:48:10 <dustymabe> anybody have anything constructive to add (or perhaps a "the sky will fall if we choose one vs the other" argument)?
16:48:16 <jbrooks> dustymabe, Does Fedora have an official policy about this?
16:48:23 <dustymabe> jbrooks: not that I know of
16:48:24 <misc> (cause if the goal is to track feature, maybe that would help)
16:48:50 <kaeso> dustymabe: it may make sense to split the "user reporting bug" place from the "devs brainstorming/discussing about developemt" one
16:48:52 <gholms> I can't help but recall our switch away from transifex when it stopped being free software.
16:48:53 <jdoss> The biggest problem with Pagure is #1 figuring out where to post issues when you have upstream repos that hold the code but issues go in a different stop. Splitting it has been confusing for me. #2 some people won't go through the process to sign up for a FAS account which is not as easy as getting a GitHub account.
16:49:15 <lorbus[m]> puiterwijk will the sync include issues?
16:49:20 <dustymabe> jdoss: so vote :)
16:49:32 <jdoss> will do :)
16:49:37 <puiterwijk> lorbus[m]: we could look at that. That's not yet requested, but if wanted, we can look. Though issues are tricky
16:49:39 <dustymabe> to be clear I'm not interested in a GH <-> Pagure sync - one repo will do
16:49:39 <ajeddeloh> sanja: walters: I mean I think coreos/bugs should have been both a place to file bugs and a place to look at a quickstart / overview.
16:50:08 <sanja> aaah so lik a general here you go, here you start
16:50:14 <sanja> ^ ajeddeloh?
16:50:21 <dustymabe> if a user doesn't know where to file an issue then *this* issue tracker is a fine place, but may get moved to another place
16:50:35 <ajeddeloh> yeah, and if you hit bugs you can file them in the same place
16:50:37 <sanja> i like that
16:50:39 <sanja> very much
16:50:51 <dustymabe> that's what we do with pagure.io/atomic-wg today.
16:50:59 <dustymabe> sometimes I don't even know where a bug exists initially
16:51:06 <dustymabe> we file an issue and then start debugging
16:51:37 <dustymabe> it happens.. the important thing is that users regardless of where they go don't have a bad experience
16:51:37 <sanja> ajeddeloh what prevented it from happening like that
16:51:52 <ajeddeloh> GH also has the advantage of linking across repos easily; you can reference a bug from, for example, Ignition and it will auto-update the bug
16:52:24 <ajeddeloh> sanja: 1) probably the name "bugs" 2) our docs living at coreos.com/docs 3) didn't really think about it too much
16:52:40 <ajeddeloh> That was set up long before I joined CoreOS
16:52:43 <sanja> the one thing for me that is an instant +1 for github is that people get a green square on github if they file an issue which helps with people wanting to contribute and they already have a github account more likely than pagure - but that's for gamification and for personal profile boosts for users and doesn't help regular contribution and sticking with the thing
16:52:54 <walters> my bottom line is that having a github account should be enough to file an issue; gitlab.com supports this, i also just night logged into https://users.rust-lang.org/ by using github, etc.  I know there was some discussion about adding github logins to FAS, I'm not sure of the status.  I also really dislike bugzilla.redhat.com for this reason.  Actually I blogged this a while ago
16:52:54 <walters> https://blog.verbum.org/2016/03/23/github-accounts-and-ease-of-contribution/
16:53:07 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe if we had two totally synced repos (incl issues) wouldnt that be best for both groups of users? I dont hold a strong opinion though, just thinking the GH audience is bigger
16:53:21 <ajeddeloh> walters++
16:53:21 <zodbot> ajeddeloh: Karma for walters changed to 3 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:53:24 <dustymabe> walters: I agree it would be nice if "github login" was a possibility for pagure
16:53:29 <sanja> walter, ajeddeloh, jdoss +1 for all that was said
16:53:43 <sanja> walters++
16:53:43 <zodbot> sanja: Karma for walters changed to 4 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:53:50 * jdoss adds his comments to the form
16:53:52 <walters> The new GNOME Gitlab also supports github logins
16:53:54 <sanja> thanks jdoss
16:54:03 <sanja> yes it does, i actually used my github login there
16:54:04 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe +1
16:54:07 <dustymabe> :) - yep there are benefits to both places - hence democracy (vote)
16:54:17 <sanja> yep, so I think we discussed this well enough
16:54:19 <sanja> now it's about voting :D
16:54:22 <misc> voting is not democracy
16:54:26 <sanja> share the form if possible
16:54:35 <lorbus[m]> sanja +1
16:54:35 <slowrie> misc: then start a violent rebellion :)
16:54:39 * sanja holds misc down and throws cookies
16:54:41 <dustymabe> google form -> https://goo.gl/forms/YqSQVr8odSQxkzzx1
16:54:44 <lorbus[m]> misc +1
16:55:00 <dustymabe> #topic meet/greet
16:55:08 <dustymabe> ok we're done with GH vs Pagure
16:55:18 <misc> slowrie: well, I am not against a popularity contest, but if voting was so great, we would vote on code too as a matter of decision :)
16:55:30 <lorbus[m]> i misread misc -1 ^^
16:55:50 <sanja> p.s. we got 41 responses now, i hope for more than 100 next week
16:55:51 <dustymabe> since we are a new community let's get to know each other. can everyone give a "one line" short description of your interest in Fedora CoreOS ?
16:56:49 <dustymabe> intro: dustymabe: I was involved in the Atomic Working Group. Now very involved in Fedora CoreOS. Work for Red Hat. Love Open Source and computers.
16:56:53 <dustymabe> ^^ example
16:57:32 <misc> into: misc: I am paid for doing sysadmin stuff, and sanja has my familly in hostage, and tell me she will free them if I do not cooperate with her
16:57:52 * rubao chuckles
16:58:11 <puiterwijk> puiterwijk: Did some things during Atomic Working Group time. Work for Red Hat, and do things around Fedora Infrastructure.
16:58:15 * ajeddeloh is a CL dev; works on CL in general and Ignition/ct, wants the sucessor of CL to be at least as good =) Works at RH now.
16:58:32 * lorbus[m] is in love with ostree, hence has been attending this mtg for a while now, fedora packager and currently GSoC student participant at Fedora IoT/Atomic
16:58:47 <sanja> and congrats on that again lorbus!
16:58:58 <dustymabe> #chair puiterwijk misc ajeddeloh sanja walters jlebon lorbus[m] jdoss kaeso
16:58:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: ajeddeloh dustymabe jdoss jlebon kaeso lorbus[m] misc puiterwijk sanja walters
16:59:02 <slowrie> intro: slowrie: I'm a dev from the CL side (mostly focused around Ignition, developer tooling & image based test frameworks)
16:59:10 * jbrooks was also involved in the fedora atomic working group, as well as the centos atomic sig, and works in the Open Source & Standards dept at Red Hat
16:59:14 * walters works on Atomic and now CoreOS, github knows what I do there https://github.com/cgwalters/
16:59:28 <jlebon> jlebon: work at Red Hat on CoreOS/AH technologies, love the idea of a best of both worlds
16:59:48 <lorbus[m]> thanks sanja!! =)
16:59:53 * dustymabe thinks everyone wants to know who that miabbott guy is
17:00:07 <jdoss> jdoss: I started my involvement in the Fedora Cloud SIG and got suckered into being involved with the Atomic Working Group by dustymabe. I work at Kenna Security (www.kennasecurity.com) which has over 200+ Fedora 28 Cloud VMs in production. We are very interested in moving to Fedora CoreOS in the future.
17:00:37 <miabbott> I work for Red Hat and get paid to work on CoreOS/AH.  Primarily responsible for QE; trying not to get killed by the RHCOS train that is hurtling down the track
17:00:56 <ksinny> intro: ksinny works at Red Hat. Invloved in Fedora Atomic Host and would like to get more involved with Fedora CoreOS.
17:01:04 <lorbus[m]> jlebon++
17:01:08 <cverna> cverna: I am tring to maintain OSBS (fedora container build system), works on Fedora Infrastructure :)
17:01:10 * sanja has had about 15 different jobs in 10 years from deeply technical to blahblah and has been at Red Hat now for 8 months almost. Time flies. Been into open source since 2001 when I discovered Blender. At Red Hat I mostly do blahblahblah now but I like to watch the cool kids do the technical stuff with amazement. I also like when people are nice and friendly on the internet. Misc's family is safe. But it helps
17:01:11 <sanja> things like Silverblue and CoreOS getting done quickly. Thanks, misc.
17:01:12 <lorbus[m]> jdoss++
17:01:33 <rfairley> intro: rfairley: interested in open source and OSs. Liked the ideas behind project atomic (keeping your OS clean), and am learning a lot about how linux distros are built. Interning at Red Hat through to Aug. 2019.
17:01:34 <lorbus[m]> ksinny++!!
17:01:50 <ksinny> lorbus++
17:01:59 * jdoss has to jet to his next meeting.
17:01:59 <lorbus[m]> slowrie++
17:02:03 <rubao> intro: rubao: intern at RedHat on CoreOS/AH, loves to learn more cool stuff and opensource technologies
17:02:13 <lorbus[m]> cverna++
17:02:22 <dustymabe> man seeing all of these intros and everyone involved makes me want to cry (tears of joy)
17:02:35 <cverna> lorbus++
17:02:35 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for lorbus changed to 4 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:02:37 <cverna> :)
17:02:40 * dustymabe so excited
17:02:41 <lorbus[m]> rfairley++
17:02:42 <lorbus[m]> rubao++
17:02:46 <sanja> dustymabe, don't cry, noone can get up to your face to dry those tears, you're just too high up
17:02:48 <rubao> lorbus++
17:02:51 <sanja> dustymabe++
17:02:53 <dustymabe> #chair rfairley cverna ksinny miabbott slowrie puiterwijk
17:02:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: ajeddeloh cverna dustymabe jdoss jlebon kaeso ksinny lorbus[m] miabbott misc puiterwijk rfairley sanja slowrie walters
17:02:54 <rfairley> dustymabe++
17:02:55 <mskarbek> intro: mskarbek: member of Cloud Infrastructure Team at Motorola Solutions, CoreOS at work, Atomic at home, interested to get more involved with Fedora CoreOS then just as an end user, ZFS everywhere! ;)
17:03:10 <dustymabe> mskarbek++
17:03:10 <zodbot> dustymabe: Karma for mskarbek changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:19 <sanja> mskarbek++ rubao++ rfairley++ cverna++
17:03:19 <zodbot> sanja: Karma for mskarbek changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:20 <lorbus[m]> zodbot is lazy today, I'll still throw cookies :P
17:03:22 <zodbot> sanja: Karma for cverna changed to 16 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:36 <sanja> ksinny++
17:03:40 <dustymabe> anyone still typing intro?
17:03:51 * dustymabe waits another minute and then we'll move on to new topic
17:03:55 <ksinny> sanja++
17:04:01 <lorbus[m]> mskarbek++
17:04:40 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe is awesome, he's been the good soul of AH eversince I've been here!
17:04:49 <rubao> dustymabe++
17:04:58 <ksinny> dustymabe++++
17:05:04 <lorbus[m]> and sanja of course! and and and..!!
17:05:04 <dustymabe> #topic future meeting agenda items
17:05:06 <dustymabe> :)
17:05:14 <dustymabe> ok future meeting agenda items
17:05:26 <dustymabe> I sent out a call for meeting items earlier today
17:05:42 <dustymabe> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/coreos@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/GQHWDF3TSCM4ZWVWWCJIM7XZW43A6LEG/
17:05:48 <dustymabe> it was too short notice for today's meeting
17:05:55 <dustymabe> I'll do the same for next week
17:06:12 <dustymabe> if anyone has anything they would like to discuss please think of topics and we'll get them on the agenda
17:06:32 <dustymabe> once we have an issue/discussion tracker we'll use that (with the 'meeting' tag)
17:07:32 <walters> yeah i have a bunch of stuff queued up for the issue tracker
17:07:42 <dustymabe> yep. I can't wait
17:07:54 <sanja> same here actually
17:07:55 <dustymabe> sorry for not having that locked down just yet
17:08:25 * sanja loves Gentoo and kind of understands when people are upset if they here it's Fedora now - but I'm also convinced of good stuff so let's make it a superb thing.
17:08:25 <dustymabe> we can briefly discuss some of it here in open floor/open questions
17:08:36 <sanja> s/here/hear
17:08:46 <dustymabe> #topic other topics that deserve their own section
17:08:56 <sanja> yes, that'd be cool
17:09:08 <dustymabe> anybody know of a topic they want to bring up now (in a first meeting) that is a large topic and too big for open floor ?
17:09:18 <sanja> is or isn't?
17:09:24 <sanja> ah, is
17:09:38 <sanja> well, are we talking actual features now?
17:09:51 * ajeddeloh loves Gentoo too (@sanja)
17:10:06 <dustymabe> sanja: perhaps. but I think we should possibly concentrate on curating topics rather than digging into them
17:10:08 * slowrie really dislikes portage
17:10:24 <dustymabe> i.e. "this is a topic we should discuss let's get it on the agenda"
17:10:28 * lorbus[m] just has very small thing
17:10:36 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]: open floor then?
17:10:44 * walters likes some parts of OpenEmbedded which one could think of as "gentoo for professional embedded systems" 😉
17:11:05 <sanja> Ok, so here's some topics I really wanna see come up over the course of the next months: 1. being able to actually remove things from the distribution, not just hide/mask them for several reasons, 2. being able to package layer needs to stay at least in Fedora CoreOS
17:11:13 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe yep
17:11:46 <dustymabe> sanja: i've written down those topics
17:11:51 <walters> one thing that's overdue from us is a draft architecture, that should touch on some of those issues
17:12:07 <ajeddeloh> oh dustymabe: I'm going to also send that poll to the coreos-user mailing list (with some context)
17:12:12 <slowrie> One topic that might be worth exploring (especially with topics like package layering) is what the expected use case is for Fedora CoreOS and how users are expected to interact with the OS
17:12:13 <dustymabe> ajeddeloh: +1
17:12:13 <sanja> 3. I really really want a minimal server and desktop edition that has no container runtime and other stuff so that people only have a functioning thing where they can add their own stuff onto it. the desktop edition would have wifi kernel module enabled, for example. the server edition other stuff that's necessary
17:12:38 <lorbus[m]> walters++
17:13:09 <lorbus[m]> ajeddeloh++
17:13:41 <misc> sanja: so IOT ?
17:13:50 * sanja is done with her bullet points..for now
17:13:56 <lorbus[m]> sanja IoT
17:14:04 <dustymabe> any other topics that would be good ?
17:14:19 * dustymabe notes walters has a laundry list
17:14:34 <sanja> not IoT just "I want it my way" for those who do - I know it's an edge case but this would make gentoo people happy to continue using it because it'd be supported and as minimal as it gets
17:14:57 <walters> i am confused between the discourse and mailing list.  Are we thinking the discourse is for users, list is for development?
17:15:09 <sanja> no, i think discourse is whatever it becomes with how people use it
17:15:23 <walters> i'm cool with that
17:15:27 <sanja> and the mailing list is for people who can't adapt to discourse to ease into
17:15:27 <cverna> what is the status about containers ? I guess we inherit from containers hosted on Quay.io what do we want to do with containers done we are building in Fedora ?
17:15:30 <dustymabe> right. for example I didn't send a "meeting annoucement" to discourse
17:15:42 <lorbus[m]> I'd like all ostree based distros to share as much buildsys/packages/general architecture as possible
17:15:45 <sanja> i'm gonna make a pinned thread about that unless you do
17:15:53 <sanja> lorbus +1
17:16:07 <dustymabe> cverna: that's an interesting topic which inherits from Fedora Atomic
17:16:13 <dustymabe> cverna: I've added it as a topic
17:16:45 <cverna> dustymabe: +1
17:16:46 <dustymabe> any other topics ?
17:16:47 <mskarbek> support for nvidia drivers in both desktop and server (cuda) scenarios could be another topic
17:16:55 <sanja> just as a side note, the pagure/github vote will probably turn into a brexit style situation
17:17:04 <sanja> mskarbek agree
17:17:12 <dustymabe> mskarbek++
17:17:13 <dustymabe> added
17:17:21 <sanja> (especially now that flatpak has wine options for gaming etc which is awesome for silverblue)
17:18:20 <dustymabe> nice. we've got a good list so far
17:18:31 <dustymabe> will send out a follow up email with some of these topics
17:18:36 <lorbus[m]> sanja: that doesnt sound like fun at all :/
17:19:00 <dustymabe> #topic open floor
17:19:07 <dustymabe> anyone with anything for open floor?
17:19:08 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]: ?
17:19:09 <slowrie> sanja: Personally I don't view Fedora CoreOS as being a desktop distro
17:19:16 <dustymabe> slowrie: agree
17:19:24 <sanja> not Fedora CoreOS
17:19:30 <sanja> but Silverblue which is what Fedora Atomic Workstation was
17:19:44 <dustymabe> right I think sanja is scoping towards the underlying technology
17:19:45 <sanja> and will most likely share a lot of the new Fedora CoreOS stuff
17:19:46 <miabbott> right, but if we can solve the nvidia driver issue, we help out FCOS and Silverblue
17:19:48 <sanja> depending on the architecture
17:20:02 <lorbus[m]> I've been working on https://github.com/LorbusChris/greenboot/
17:20:16 <lorbus[m]> (please check ot out!!)
17:20:24 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]+1
17:20:27 <sanja> lorbus++
17:20:37 <rubao> lorbus++
17:20:39 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]: want to link to your first blog post?
17:20:53 <sanja> is that the one i already retweeted and stuff or is there a new one?
17:21:03 <lorbus[m]> If any of you has scripted test cases, be it for servers or IoT sensors or anything else
17:21:45 <dustymabe> lorbus[m]: i don't know if he has any follow up blogs just yet
17:21:55 <dustymabe> comingsoonTM
17:22:33 <lorbus[m]> please go ahead and PR them to the repo. I'm looking to make it have a repertoire of different use/test cases
17:23:04 <jlebon> lorbus[m]: 👍
17:23:20 <lorbus[m]> so even if its not in the right format, I'll convert them/split them out into sensible sub-packages
17:23:42 <lorbus[m]> https://medium.com/@c.glombek/introducing-greenboot-3246ca55432d
17:23:59 <dustymabe> ooh ooh. I forgot
17:24:04 <sanja> I have one more thing for open floor as well
17:24:35 <dustymabe> #info dusty/ian went on Linux Unplugged to talk about Fedora CoreOS (was supposed to be mattdm, but he got held up)
17:24:43 <dustymabe> #link http://linuxunplugged.com/255
17:25:05 <jlebon> nice!
17:25:26 <sanja> oooh cool
17:25:28 <rubao> dustymabe++
17:25:37 <lorbus[m]> sanja: yep its the first one, aiming at end of next week for the second blog post
17:26:08 <sanja> cool!
17:26:09 <sanja> good job
17:26:15 <ksinny> nice
17:26:20 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe++ interesting stuff in there!
17:26:28 * dustymabe didn't plan to talk, but fortunately was there because matt couldn't be
17:26:49 <dustymabe> anyone else with anything for open floor? sorry for the short notice for the meeting today
17:26:52 <sanja> yes
17:27:02 * dustymabe bows to sanja
17:27:33 <lorbus[m]> who's Ian btw?
17:27:33 * lorbus[m] ducks
17:27:45 <sanja> I just wanna say I really think that the Atomic community is fabulous, welcoming, and nice, and I hope this transfers to Fedora CoreOS. Thanks for all of you who're contributing to the meetings and everything else so much and it's really nice to be part of such a group of awesomeness.
17:28:11 <lorbus[m]> everybody ought to do that!
17:28:30 <sanja> If we were in Slack right now, I'd send a gif bowing and sending flowers but we're luckily not. Also, it's down. Hue hue.
17:28:37 <lorbus[m]> sanja++ I get the same feeling here :)
17:29:04 * dustymabe sets the timer to close meeting for one minute
17:29:32 <rubao> sanja++
17:29:33 <lorbus[m]> dustymabe thanks for hosting, awesome job as always
17:29:44 <rfairley> sanja++ look forward to contributing more in the community!
17:29:59 <ksinny> rfairley++
17:30:03 <dustymabe> #endmeeting