13:16:58 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Meeting 13:16:58 Meeting started Wed Mar 30 13:16:58 2016 UTC. The chair is tatica. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:16:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:16:58 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_meeting' 13:17:08 #topic roll call 13:17:28 well, hello hello! first "official" meeting (even if we already had one) 13:17:32 .fas tatica 13:17:33 tatica: gusthwolf 'Gustavo Adolfo Soto Marquez' - tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 13:18:17 .hello jflory7 13:18:18 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 13:18:22 #chair jflory7 13:18:22 Current chairs: jflory7 tatica 13:18:29 .hello tatica 13:18:30 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 13:18:34 ah, better 13:18:39 Morning all :) 13:18:40 This is my first meeting. What I need to know about? 13:18:44 .hello marinaz 13:18:45 marinaz: marinaz 'Marina Zhurakhinskaya' 13:18:58 .hello cialu 13:18:59 cialu: cialu 'None' 13:19:22 .hello meskarune 13:19:24 meskarune: meskarune 'Dolores Portalatin' 13:19:35 cialu, welcome! 13:19:38 * mailga around 13:19:40 .hello duffy 13:19:41 mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' 13:20:01 Hi! thx! 13:20:21 all present! 13:20:32 #topic Fedora Women Day - July 13:21:02 #action add a wiki page for the activity 13:21:25 That should let zodbot change the topic now 13:21:35 jflory7, saviour, again 13:21:37 #topic Fedora Women Day - July 13:21:41 \o/ 13:21:41 yeah, better 13:22:10 so, I comment the idea of the activity at the commops meeting and the idea was welcome 13:22:37 I'm setting up the wikipage for it, do we have ideas on what can we do on that day? 13:22:52 I'm confused on if we said it would be the 15 or the 17 13:23:43 * jflory7 checks calendar 13:23:52 tatica: I wanted to propose that we also have articles by women contributing to Fedora published in Fedora magazine around that time - or maybe a series of articles leading up to it 13:23:58 marinaz++ 13:24:00 mizmo: Karma for marinaz changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:24:15 15th is a Friday, 17th is a Sunday, for planning purposes. 13:24:23 marinaz, like it, maybe we could do an article on each diversity group we can raise our ears to 13:24:25 a friday would probably be better, more visibility 13:24:29 marinaz++ 13:24:29 tatica: Karma for marinaz changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:24:31 * jflory7 wonders if it could be a weekend sort of event, kind of like a vFAD 13:24:31 tatica: this is what we did for GNOME when we resumed women outreach in 2009 13:24:35 marinaz++ 13:24:35 jflory7: Karma for marinaz changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:24:45 tatica: here are the articles: https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/ 13:25:33 #link https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/ 13:26:08 oh.. late 13:26:11 we could start with GSoC 13:26:16 .fas amsharma 13:26:17 Amita: shubhamsharma 'shubham kumar sharma' - amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 13:26:33 maybe an interview with the female Mentors and Students, to get their output on how the process has been 13:26:38 com'on Amita I am 13:26:38 tatica: having women who did GSoC with GNOME write about their work would be great 13:26:39 Amita, never late! welcome 13:26:40 a weekend long thing would be really cool and make sure lots of people notice 13:27:03 tatica: yes, that'd be great 13:27:03 meskarune, maybe instead 15 OR 17, from 15 TO 17 13:27:08 tatica, I was in fossasia last week 13:27:11 yeah 13:27:17 many folks from GSOC were there 13:27:21 marinaz: OPW / Outreachy might also be something to consider too for people to write about their work 13:27:31 including google mentors(women) 13:27:36 #action Create article about female participans of GSoC (Mentors and Students) 13:27:47 tatica: I'm +1 to it being a weekend, vFAD-like event. 13:27:50 jflory7: yes, we could do a "where are they now?" with Fedora Outreachy alums 13:27:51 and who is taking this? 13:28:05 marinaz: Definitely! 13:28:24 marinaz, seems that you're more in contact with GSoC, are you up to it? 13:28:32 at least to draft it? 13:28:41 I can't remember... was there going to be a physical / in-person component to this? I couldn't remember. 13:28:59 tatica, this can be done online too 13:29:05 by sending mails? 13:29:09 jflory7, ^^ 13:29:12 jflory7, tatica: I did this kind of article for GNOME Women's Outreach Program from 2006 in 2009: https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/where-are-they-now-the-participants-of-the-2006-women%E2%80%99s-summer-outreach-program/ 13:29:12 jflory7, I think that will depend on how many people gather and how much interest we can raise on the issue 13:29:25 yet, I would like it to be half's. Local meetings connected through video 13:29:44 that way we can gather more women to participate, and see if next year we can make an in-person meeting 13:30:02 tatica: I could do it for OPW/Outreachy interns; I'm not sure I know who were women who participated with GSoC, but with some help, I can reach out to them too 13:30:25 marinaz, I can get the contact from fossasia 13:30:28 if you want 13:30:35 for GSoC women mentors 13:30:42 oh its too bad this is the month before flock, we could do interviews with women at flock 13:30:49 marinaz, tatica: For GSoC, good people to contact for past years might be kushal and number80 / hguemar. This year, decause is also a good person to contact. 13:30:50 tatica: but the idea would be for some women contributors to write about their work 13:31:20 yeap, there could be about 3 questions we can do to everyone 13:31:30 probably a set of questions for Mentors and other for Students 13:31:47 we can simply mail them the questions and set a deadline and do email magic do the job 13:31:53 I guess, question flow will change according to the work they have performed 13:32:06 Amita: we need to know who were the women who did GSoC with Fedora in the recent years, not just women GSoC mentors 13:32:36 marinaz, that we can get from other mentors 13:32:41 #topic Magazine Article 13:32:45 like decause 13:32:46 mizmo: do you know of any other women who have mentored for Fedora in either GSoC or OPW/Outreachy? 13:33:05 tatica: Definitely getting some of the Ambassadors included on that might help for smaller regional gatherings. I know the Albanian community might be a good group to contact (especially jonatoni). 13:33:05 Amita: yes, I'll check with people jflory7 mentions 13:33:09 marinaz: ah thats a good question... laura on my team helped out with administering outreachy while i was on maternity leave 13:33:14 marinaz, I guess Marie also did some mentoring 13:33:18 yes she did! 13:33:19 let me just cross check 13:33:26 yeah .. I am right :) 13:33:30 mizmo: Laura is mentoring for Outreachy now!!! 13:33:32 whether or not it was official, she definitely has mentored multiple contributors 13:33:33 marinaz, I was a GSoC mentor a loooong time ago, can get you a list of participants 13:33:35 marinaz: oh great! 13:33:48 mizmo: Hmmm, maybe could still do interviews post-event, publish as a reflection or additional piece after the fact? 13:33:49 mizmo: we should totally ask Laura to write about her work 13:33:53 In person interviews would be awesome 13:34:10 yeah, I agree for personal interview 13:34:20 if you can get the recordings, I can put the video together 13:34:21 jflory7: well the funding would probably be set by July so we'd know who was going at that point, we could do pre-conference interviews of women planning to attend, i've seen preconference interviews done before for open source confs 13:34:29 mizmo, Amita, tatica: would you write articles about your work? 13:34:33 marinaz: totally agreed 13:34:36 am I missing any women here? 13:34:38 id be happy to 13:34:39 marinaz, consider it done 13:34:47 yeah sure 13:34:48 oh Emily mentored a GSoC intern 13:34:53 >diversity 13:34:54 the sparkleshare project 13:34:55 >only about women 13:35:08 #action pull a list of females to interview for the GSoC experience article 13:35:27 I love taking interviews, so I can take 1-2.. if you give me names 13:35:31 I'd be interested to hear a little about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rbergero 13:35:50 but idk if she is still involved with fedora 13:37:08 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Riecatnor 13:37:12 she was a mentor 13:37:29 hello decause 13:37:48 .hello decause 13:37:48 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 13:37:54 #action women to ask to write articles: mizmo, Amita, tatica, labbott, reicatnor, emily 13:38:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser#Current_Activities 13:38:18 marinaz: serious question, but if you guys are about "diversity", why do you explicitly only want to interview women? 13:38:20 I'm just setting everything there 13:38:21 mizmo: I think that would be a good thing to try! I'm +1 to that. 13:38:37 #chair decause 13:38:37 Current chairs: decause jflory7 tatica 13:38:53 mieko, I think we could start with the women group since it's larger and will bring attention, then follow with dissabilities (already have someone in mind for it) 13:38:56 mieko: its women history stuff 13:39:03 like its a specific event about women in july 13:39:04 mieko: until there is parity, we need to explicitly support more women 13:39:29 not really, that sounds like trying to exactly what you say you are fighting against 13:39:29 mieko: this is for a particular activity - Fedora Women Day; we should totally run similar series for other underrepresented groups 13:39:30 mieko, it's not a "women matter more", it's just a start point 13:39:59 I agree 13:40:04 mieko: is there some particular aspect of diversity you are passionate about? 13:40:10 I'm particularly interested on dissabilities, so that will be the next article (which is already in process) 13:40:13 very bad starting point, imo 13:40:16 diversity is to address such areas/groups 13:40:30 mieko, please, expand. I'm interested in your overview 13:40:32 mieko: they were talking about "fedora women day" 13:40:57 mieko, please explain your view point 13:41:00 tatica: I'd expand, but I asked 1 person 1 question, and for this I'm being bombarded with people highlighting me 13:41:42 mieko, please don't feel like that :) 13:41:49 mieko, that's because we all don't want to make anyone feel that we are only interested in 1 single group :( 13:41:51 we are here to express our views 13:42:08 anyway, this channel is supposedly about "diversity", going for an event that only supports 1 specific group isn't "diverse" at all, it's literally doing whatever you guys claim to oppose 13:42:12 we are just trying to understand your view point as well 13:42:18 "serious question, but if you guys are about "diversity", why do you explicitly only want to interview women?" it's because there is a women day event and they are planning things for that. It would be cool if there were events for other groups as well 13:43:00 which are planned in future 13:43:07 for other groups as well 13:43:12 tatica, just mentioned 13:43:13 supporting women isn't the opposite of supporting diversity 13:43:26 meskarune: supporting events for just women is 13:43:35 In my view, it's a good idea to focus on smaller subsets to target on versus trying to target everything all at once. Smaller, more targeted approaches will help drive better success with Diversity efforts, in my opinion. 13:43:37 mieko, it is just that we need to target the groups which are less in ratio 13:43:42 yeah, but I don't think anyone has said that is the case mieko 13:43:54 mieko, we are already supporting other activities (remember this goes task by task) just stick around till the end please 13:43:58 could we move foward now? 13:44:07 50% of the population is female but only 2% of FOSS contributors are 13:44:25 meskarune: that's abusing statistics, not using them properly 13:44:54 women in general are just less interested in exact fields. I agree that the community is often hostile, but going for a 50/50 diversity isn't going to achieve much 13:45:04 ok, you are just a troll 13:45:06 ok, second article on its way (which is actually the first one) will be about dissabilities on IT 13:45:10 please all 13:45:30 tatica, lets move on please 13:45:34 I've been working with visual dissabilities for about 6 years now in my country 13:45:57 jflory7++ 13:45:57 marinaz: Karma for jflory7 changed to 41 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:46:00 I've learn on the past week that we have several members that also experience some dissabilities, so I already reach to some of them and they are writing about their experiences 13:46:24 so far, I already have 3 people working on it 13:46:31 * visual dissability 13:46:40 That's awesome... any idea where those are intended to be published? 13:46:44 that's great 13:46:52 meeting time is precious. deeper discussions are best taken to the mailing lists 13:46:53 most likely a couple of weeks 13:46:54 fedora magazine? 13:47:05 decause++ 13:47:16 I need to translate part of the interviews since they are in spanish, might let l10n people do that while I just gather the info 13:47:29 yet, I would like to reach 2 more dissabilities to gather 5 13:47:37 From a writing / editing perspective, it could be cool to have each individual contributor publish their story on the Community Blog, and then have a bigger "wrapper" post on the Magazine summarizing them all 13:47:47 With appropriate links to each post 13:48:01 we have so far: visual - mobility - narcolepsy (hope to write that right) 13:48:04 or we can have a set of questions like in case of women 13:48:34 Amita, I think the questions approach could work 13:49:06 yet, as you all know, this has been a chaos with all the attention the recent email brought 13:49:10 tatica, I am sure they have their own story, which will impress many 13:49:17 inspire* 13:49:28 seems that everyone is expecting me (really us since I'm not alone here... thx god) to see results when we are just starting 13:49:41 Amita, impress-inspire... both, I'm sure 13:50:11 I know.. for sure.. interviews must have very precious questions in such cases 13:50:21 yet, if I'm honest, I would like to have in process at least one more article, so we don't have to be running each week to publish one 13:50:27 we need to work on question set 13:50:31 -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser 13:50:46 mieko, do you have in mind a 3rd minority we could-should contact? 13:51:09 * jflory7 is changing locations but will be back soon 13:51:29 I don't often want to target a specific one, since that'd feel like saying they deserve more attention than others 13:51:48 mieko, yet, people needs to know their stories 13:51:57 mieko, would be happy if you can add some ideas 13:52:06 I'm moving on to... 13:52:17 #topic flock 13:52:24 I'm mostly just reading along 13:52:40 tatica, can we target Gay community as well? 13:52:48 just a thought 13:52:52 I was asked (forced) to submit some talks to flock, yet, I would like to know if anyone here is planning on attend 13:52:58 Amita, LGBT for sure 13:53:03 its maybe not great to use "inspire" for the adaptions that the disabled do to use technology. They have to make those changes because they don't have any other choice. In an ideal world, everyone would just have equal unhindered access to technology. :) 13:53:20 tatica, I have submitted 13:53:46 tatica: I think it would be awesome if you can submit a talk to do a diversity update and discussion - maybe something like a BoF 13:53:56 meskarune, I was thinking on a "how do you use IT to work with your dissability" more than the dissability itself, more to inspire others to do so 13:54:04 tatica: I am hoping to be there, but am not totally sure yet 13:54:23 Amita: what is your submission about? 13:54:25 marinaz, yup, I was thinking on a panel really. Inviting people from diverse groups and let them do the talk 13:54:52 marinaz, technical, a lightening talk 13:54:59 one is on women contributors 13:55:06 marinaz, I was hoping on submit 2. One about goals (we should have some by then) and other about how we have been helping minorities (if they feel like we have been doing something at all) 13:55:06 tatica: who would you like to invite? 13:55:22 marinaz, that's why I'm asking who's there jejeje 13:55:39 Amita: could you share the abstract for the one on women contributors, so that we can build on that? 13:55:54 build on that.. what 13:56:02 and I'm asking because I don't want to step over anyone's proposal 13:56:04 I guess talks are yet to be selected 13:56:09 diversity... that's what we want 13:56:19 oh yeah 13:56:20 sure 13:56:25 lightning talk sounds awesome 13:56:32 Amita: is one of the talks you submitted on women contributors? 13:56:40 marinaz, yeah 13:56:42 that's true 13:56:48 but talks are not yet selected 13:57:05 so I am not sure yet .. I got a chance to dilevr that 13:57:14 Amita, yeah, but I don't want to submit something similar to yours and then compete. I rather have you there and then submit something else 13:57:17 Amita: awesome! I was suggesting you share the abstract, so that tatica can coordinate with you in submitting talks that don't duplicate each other 13:57:19 cfp closes 4/8 13:57:24 * tatica feels decause eyes on her 13:57:37 lol 13:57:41 ah okay 13:57:42 cool 13:57:45 Amita: e.g. if your talk is on women contributors, maybe you would be the one covering what we did for Fedora Women Day 13:57:48 I will email abstracts ? 13:57:56 Amita, sure! 13:58:01 tatica@fp.... 13:58:03 I'm here to help with proposals too ;) 13:58:05 Amita: awesome! 13:58:11 to all 3 of you 13:58:20 marinaz, decause and tatica 13:58:32 may be tatica we can speak together as co presenters 13:58:33 thx! 13:58:34 Amita: sure - or the list 13:58:34 sgtm 13:58:42 Amita, if you want it, sure! 13:58:53 let's discuss on mail :) 13:59:06 Amita, sounds great 13:59:16 cool 13:59:38 #action Amita will lead the Fedora Women talk proposal for Flock and email us her abstract to provide feedback 13:59:51 #action start a mail thread for discussing talk submission in flock 13:59:59 ok, do you folks like the idea on a panel proposal? getting inputs from diverse minorities? 14:00:12 that is superb 14:00:18 from where do you get such ideas 14:00:25 what you had in your coffee today tatica 14:00:26 :P 14:00:33 Amita, oh... you don't want to know 14:00:37 lol 14:00:46 if I tell you everything is in my head, yours would explode next to mine 14:01:01 you have a ton of awesome ideas 14:01:03 ok, I'm TERRIBLE with talk names... so far I only have "Diversity Panel" 14:01:05 :P 14:01:07 I agree with it, lets have some people we are interviewing (diverse) for the pannel discussion 14:01:13 if anyone comes up with a better name... please... say it 14:01:53 tatica: for the panel, we need to make sure that we have the participants who represent different aspects of diversity and comfortable with the topic 14:02:00 maybe inclusive community building 14:02:13 marinaz, I can get on that (even if my job will be recolect videos from everyone) 14:02:30 tatica: if we have that, that'd be great 14:02:39 I've experienced the issue of not being able to travel myself, so to gather the more, videos might be included 14:02:44 meskarune: I like "Building an Inclusive Community" 14:02:50 Diversity Panel --> Rainbow ( A panel of diverse colors/people) 14:02:51 for the panel 14:02:58 just a thought :P 14:03:04 my intern Maria Leonova is going to be at Flock (just confirmed) 14:03:05 yeah, sounds good to me 14:03:11 she's going to be F/T actually starting friday 14:03:12 Talk name idea: "Diversity is not another unicorn" 14:03:15 :P 14:03:16 Amita, I like the rainbow, yet, it might be only related to LGBT 14:03:17 so she might be willing to be on a panel 14:03:24 mizmo: where is she interning with you? 14:03:33 marinaz: she is in the Brno office 14:03:42 mizmo, fantastic! 14:03:44 mizmo: cool 14:03:54 marinaz: she's been my intern since last July, altho we got her a F/T position with another team starting Friday \o/ 14:03:55 love it! meskarune: I like "Building an Inclusive Community" 14:04:01 she's done a ton of awesome work for Fedora 14:04:11 mizmo, yes, I've been following her work 14:04:58 "Building an Inclusive Community" +1 14:04:59 mizmo: has she been active in any groups that promote diversity? I'm wary of e.g. asking women to talk about diversity just because they are women - that feels very 2009 to me :) 14:05:10 ok, so please, my chat is open if you come up with new ideas 14:05:28 again, we need set of question :) 14:05:34 Amita, will work on that 14:05:40 marinaz: yes! she has been involved in django girls in CZ and another group too 14:05:40 #topic Survey 14:05:41 mizmo: I think it's better to ask people from diverse backgrounds to write about their work and opt-in into diversity work 14:05:42 for panel as well 14:05:48 decause, time to bother you. any progress? 14:05:53 marinaz: PyLadies, she's in that too 14:05:56 mizmo: ah, she sounds great for the panel then!!! 14:05:57 (sorry jumped off the topic so fast, time is running out) 14:06:12 yeah, I agree marinaz 14:06:20 tatica: I remember there being good progress on this. I think the request was approved and the process of getting it spinning is started. 14:06:30 fantastic! 14:06:33 cool 14:06:43 when can I have devel instance to test 14:06:43 This is just what I remember from an IRC conversation somewhere, at some point... could probably use a solid confirmation. :) 14:06:44 I would definitely like to have some numbers for flock 14:06:58 even if the numbers are really low 14:07:06 but spreading the survey at flock would be fantastic 14:07:11 true 14:07:18 and add value to the group as well 14:07:56 there's a moment on the movie legally blonde 2 where someone tells the main character that the congress woman doesn't understand emotions but do understand numbers 14:07:56 Amita: for the interviews - whom would you like to do an interview with a set of questions and whom would you like to write articles? I think in-depth articles about people's work could be very interesting 14:08:08 that has been in my head ever since then... we need numbers 14:08:42 marinaz, as you suggest, I mean I am open to both 14:08:55 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Riecatnor is my favorite 14:08:56 :) 14:09:20 we need to discuss some questions for the panel as part of creating a proposal - we should kick off a thread with possible panelists asap - because we should have their names in the proposal and they would influence what the panel is about 14:09:27 * decause catches up 14:09:32 decause, jflory7 when do you think I can push you guys to see something? 14:09:48 anytime :) 14:09:52 marinaz, sure 14:09:53 marinaz, I agree with you, we can do that on mail 14:10:05 decause, I need devel instance 14:10:06 to test 14:10:07 #action email the list to reach potential speakers for the diversity panel 14:10:10 Amita: :) I see Reicatnor writing an awesome article about Fedora badges; maybe we can have people both write articles and do interviews 14:10:17 of? 14:10:34 decause, for survey page 14:10:46 marinaz, you got me 14:10:47 Amita: or maybe we should just do interviews with Fedora OPW/Outreachy/GSoC alums who wouldn't be up for writing a full article 14:10:57 I wanted it this way.. 14:11:07 first article .. then followed by questions 14:11:10 #topic Open Floor 14:11:18 Amita: ah! sounds great! 14:11:21 maybe offer them to write an article or interview? (interview is less work, so if they dont have the time but still want to participate) 14:11:22 decause, jflory7 when can we have a talk about survey progress? 14:11:24 tatica: If you haven't already seen, some of bee2502's proposed work for her GSoC proposal might be of interest towards turning emotions => numbers. She's done a good bit of that already but she has some ideas / plans for more things over the summer. :) 14:11:27 marinaz, hug 14:11:28 we (osas) are going to sponsor a hosted version of limesurvey 14:11:54 Amita: it sounds like we should focus on the Flock proposals by next Friday and we can resume Fedora Women Day planning after, and come up with the interview questions then 14:11:55 jflory7, link pls! 14:11:59 Amita: hug! 14:12:02 * jflory7 digs 14:12:02 that account ahould be created sometime next week 14:12:20 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2016/Student_Application_bee2502 14:12:22 tatica: ^ 14:12:33 marinaz, sounds like a plan, but are we going to do talk or panel discussion? 14:12:36 for flock 14:13:57 tatica, ^^ ? 14:14:10 panel discussion is in 14:14:27 Amita: it sounds like we'll do several proposals - "Building an Inclusive Community" panel, what we have done for diversity, goals discussion, and your women in Fedora talk are the ones I heard mentioned 14:14:50 Amita, fedora women, I think could be a collaborative talk 14:14:56 marinaz, okay .. I will initiate a mail for both 14:14:58 the diversity panel I'm already writting the email 14:15:16 A collaborative talk / panel would be cool :) 14:15:30 tatica, okay 14:16:08 we can demonstrate the survey results during panel discussion 14:16:14 #action tatica wrote an email to diversity list about Diversity Panel, please share up! 14:16:26 tatica: I think "what have been done+goals discussion" could be one BoF 14:16:31 Amita, to do that, I need decause and jflory7 to provide me some numbers :D 14:16:54 decause, :D ^^ 14:17:03 tatica: what is the state for the survey? I'd like to look over the questions again before it goes live 14:17:06 decause, I would only need an admin panel or something that I can constantly refresh the results 14:17:12 decause, is a gentlemen and help us in that before flock ;) 14:17:40 :) I'm not super experienced in conduxtimg surveys, but we should plan a timeline 14:18:02 starting from when we present results at flock, going backwards 14:18:02 marinaz, https://v.etherpad.org/p/Diversity_Survey 14:18:04 so far 14:18:12 I have some background in survey design / likert scales / that sort of thing 14:18:40 mizmo++ 14:18:42 I love when etherpad is so colorful... :D 14:19:11