23:00:10 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 23:00:10 Meeting started Wed Jul 7 23:00:10 2010 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:00:11 #meetingname Fedora Docs 23:00:11 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 23:00:11 #topic Roll Call 23:00:31 * Sparks is here 23:00:45 * jjmcd 23:00:49 * crantila is here 23:01:19 * jmtaylor waves 23:01:40 quaid: You here tonight? 23:01:59 * rudi is here 23:02:10 quaid fingers prolly work out from tweeting all dat 23:02:15 day 23:02:41 he is a tweeting monster isn't her 23:02:47 s/her/he 23:03:39 Okay, let's get started. 23:03:49 #topic Follow up on last week's action items 23:03:59 #action jjmcd to have doc-publican-rpm packaged and submitted for review by 14 July 23:04:09 Working on it but a little behind 23:04:18 Ok 23:04:23 rudi_ and nb to come back with additional information on getting docs-writers building packages in koji for docs.fp.o 23:04:24 got tagged for a surprise pres on saturday, eating up my time 23:04:31 heh 23:04:49 rudi: Got anything to talk about with the koji thing? 23:05:13 Sparks -- sorry, not much progress this week (Publican 2.0 kinda ate up the time), but: 23:05:57 One obvious thing I hadn't really considered previously is that we're going to have to be building those docs packages for EL5, not Fedora, since that's what the server is running... 23:06:34 So maybe the current Koji instance isn't the best place to be doing this anyway 23:06:58 Can this be a self-contained instance on the same server? 23:07:33 Don't know; that's something I'll need to find out 23:07:36 Okay. 23:08:01 #action rudi to come back with additional information on getting docs-writers building packages in koji for docs.fp.o 23:08:11 #action quaid to bring to the list a discussion about Beacon and web-based XML editors for Docs use. 23:08:20 #action quaid will kindly ask poelcat to put up taskjuggler schedule sources in a f'hosted repo, pref. git 23:08:33 Sparks to discuss bug maintenance on the list 23:08:47 Okay, I did this and I'll bring it up later in the meeting 23:09:19 #action Sparks Work on magazine article work about the guides and docs.fp.o 23:09:44 This is in progress. I'm currently working with Marketing on this. 23:10:07 I think that is all the old topics. Anyone have anything else old before moving on? 23:10:27 #topic Fedora 14 Schedule 23:10:40 I think we've had some input on the list about the Fedora 14 schedule 23:11:17 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-docs-tasks.html 23:11:18 * jjmcd gave a quick look over John's updates. On the surface looks good. Haven't had the time for the fine-toothcomb thing yet 23:11:45 jjmcd: Okay, I'm assuming you'll be working with poelcat on that via the Docs list, correct? 23:11:46 Probably won't until after 7.16, either 23:11:50 roger 23:11:58 ok 23:12:03 Anyone else? 23:12:37 #topic Publican 23:12:54 rudi: Want to talk about the latest release of Publican that went stable earlier today? 23:13:07 Thanks for the Karma everyone :D 23:13:51 Basically, there's a whole bunch of bug fixes in there, and the web publishing component is now part of the stable release 23:14:38 We're now *so close* to automating the whole process :) 23:15:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Publishing_a_document_with_Publican 23:15:06 automation is a lovely thing 23:15:11 * jjmcd has some q's for rudi after the meeting if he has time 23:15:18 So thanks to everyone who got behind us on this -- many of the bugs and issues came out of the docs and trans communities 23:15:22 Absolutely 23:15:30 But yeah, that's about the size of it :) 23:15:59 excellent. 23:16:06 Anyone have any questions for rudi? 23:16:17 Or any questions about Publican? 23:16:18 is publican now part of the workflow? 23:16:29 bethlynn -- has been for about 18 months now 23:16:36 bethlynn has been since ~F10 23:16:42 bethlynn: It is the middle and end portion of the workflow 23:17:03 ooohhh oooohhh see the workflow document 23:17:20 should we add it the new how to use publican to the "needs some love" workflow page 23:17:29 It creates the final files for consumption and then publishes those files to the web 23:18:02 We need detail under the bubbles, and the how to use publican is certainly a part of that 23:18:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_workflow 23:18:32 bethlynn -- there's actually a complete Publican User Guide in the "Contributor Documentation" section of d.fp.o 23:19:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_workflow 23:19:24 bethlynn, I should remove the needs love template, or modify the words, since what is visible is now up to date 23:19:25 a brief overview on the Wiki might still be nice 23:19:31 Oh absolutely 23:21:16 bethlynn: Can you and jjmcd work together after the meeting to clean up those pages? 23:21:20 jjmcd: absolutely.... "this is out of date" does not help wiki gardeners.... "this is out of date because..." helps because you can remove the love tag when stuff gets fixed 23:21:59 sure. jjmcd, I'll be online after the meeting 23:22:01 bethlynn, yes, it was out of date a few weeks ago, what is visible now is up to date, but a lot of detail below the line needs to be reworked and incorporated 23:22:30 (if you look at the source a LOT of stuff is commented out) 23:22:55 Okay, anything else on the Publican topic? 23:23:32 #topic Release Notes 23:23:38 jjmcd: Anything on the RNs? 23:24:02 Not really. I see where jmtaylor worked on a bug but git and the list don't agree 23:24:16 Not a lot happening right now 23:24:17 . 23:24:34 Coming up on the schedule is arranging beat writers, so that is the next big thing 23:24:45 Okay, maybe you can work with jmtaylor afterwards and clean that up? 23:24:56 If you would like to be a beat writer, raise your hand. If you already were, you will be hearing from me 23:25:20 Sparks, I won't be very coherent until after the 15th, maybe a few days sooner 23:25:26 Okay 23:26:15 #topic Guide Status 23:26:40 I'm proud to say that I posted a patch for a four year old bug today! :) 23:27:06 * jjmcd added info to a Publican bug today 23:27:23 Yeah, thanks jjmcd 23:27:24 Instructions for obtaining information on CVEs in updates will be included in the Security Guide for F14. 23:27:48 rudi, sorry so sleaux. Don't boot windoze all that often 23:27:51 Is anyone in need of assistance with anything? 23:27:57 for their guide? 23:28:12 darn 23:28:28 * jjmcd could use lots of assistance, but not with a guide 23:28:35 heh 23:29:44 Anyone else have anything? 23:30:19 #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 23:30:26 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED 23:30:47 #info 93 open bugs 23:31:11 #info 24 new bugs 23:31:50 bcotton: I see a few bugs open with your name on them for the RPM Guide. Need any help with those? 23:32:50 I also see a bunch for silas as well. 23:33:00 sparks: not particularly at the moment, i just need to sit myself down and work on them 23:33:15 Mostly filed by himself as his "todo" list I think 23:33:21 bcotton: It looks like your bugs might be as old as the one I worked on today! 23:33:32 rudi: Yeah, I think so 23:33:36 He's on leave right now 23:33:38 bcotton: Understood 23:33:41 rudi: Ahhh 23:33:49 sparks: no doubt. most of the rpm guide bugs are from around the time the guide was last updated, i think :-) 23:34:07 bcotton: Probably 23:34:26 Just a reminder to all (including myself) that we are now 7 weeks away from branching for F14 -- let's work as many of these as we can! 23:34:28 well if anyone needs any help fixing a bug bring it up on the list so we can try to help 23:36:17 #topic Open floor discussion 23:36:19 * jmtaylor nods and offers to help with any bugs someone needs a hand with 23:36:26 Okay, anyone have anything they want to discuss? 23:37:56 Anything at all... 23:38:42 Okay then. Good meeting all! 23:38:49 Thanks for coming out! 23:38:53 #endmeeting