13:11:54 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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13:11:57 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs
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13:12:03 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
13:12:11 * Sparks 
13:12:19 * jhradilek is here.
13:12:50 * bcotton 
13:13:02 * eslobodo is here
13:14:27 <pkovar> I'm here
13:15:06 <Sparks> Okay, lets get started.
13:15:32 <Sparks> I'm not fully awake and I see the agenda hasn't been updated in a while so we'll just wing it this morning.
13:15:57 <Sparks> #topic F16 Schedule
13:16:08 <Sparks> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-docs-tree-tasks.html
13:16:32 <Sparks> So I think we are, for the most part, on schedule for the F16 release.
13:16:55 <Sparks> Guides should be branched and pot files submitted for the translators to consume.
13:16:58 <pkovar1> (fnadge has problems connecting, will be here in a min)
13:17:29 <Sparks> Does anyone have any questions about branching or submitting the pot files for translation?
13:17:31 * fnadge has arriver
13:17:33 <fnadge> d
13:17:40 <pkovar1> for now, i know only about one guide that has been branched with updated pot files
13:17:43 <Sparks> fnadge: Welcome
13:17:58 <Sparks> pkovar1: I branched the Security Guide over the weekend.
13:18:23 <pkovar1> great, so that should be two now
13:18:27 <Sparks> :)\
13:18:37 <Sparks> The Release Notes should be up there...
13:19:08 <Sparks> We were hoping to get the Cloud Guide out the door by this weekend but that didn't happen.  I'm hoping to corner rbergeron later for her assistance.
13:19:19 <Sparks> The User Guide should be coming soon as well.
13:20:28 <fnadge> Yep, need a week or two to get to know everything but basically yes it is on it's way
13:20:52 <Sparks> fnadge: for which guide?
13:20:59 <pkovar1> i also hope that the release set for fedora docs can be changed soon so that it references f16
13:21:08 <pkovar1> in transifex, i mean
13:21:14 <fnadge> Sparks: the user guide
13:21:28 <pkovar1> i'm currently discussing that with glezos
13:21:35 <pkovar1> (see the mailing list)
13:21:45 <Sparks> fnadge: We did some work on the UG at the FAD yesterday.
13:21:53 <Sparks> fnadge: You might check with zoglesby
13:22:02 * zoglesby is here now...
13:22:03 <fnadge> Sparks: great
13:22:13 <fnadge> will have a look later today
13:22:30 <Sparks> zoglesby: You awake yet?
13:22:43 <pkovar1> any news wrt Installation Guide, anyone working on it?
13:22:49 <zoglesby> Sparks: no, after lots of delays I got in at about 1AM
13:22:54 <Sparks> :/
13:23:11 <suehle> I ended up sleeping half of yesterday after I got home.
13:23:24 <Sparks> pkovar1: I'm not sure.  How much has changed?
13:23:39 <Sparks> suehle: Ya...  I'm not awake yet...
13:24:13 <pkovar1> i have no idea, actually. i hope we can have the f16 branch with current content soon
13:24:59 <pkovar1> as this guide has rather high l10N priority
13:25:00 <Sparks> pkovar1: I mean... how much of the installation process has changed.  I'm guessing we need to update some screen shots and call it good
13:25:16 <Southern_Gentlem> pkovar1, i am willing to be a proof reader once it gets pushed to draft
13:25:25 <Sparks> +1
13:25:40 <pkovar1> Sparks: i guess
13:25:46 <pkovar1> sl
13:25:48 <pkovar1> s
13:25:55 * Sparks really doesn't know and is speculating
13:25:59 <pkovar1> sorry :-) i mean i think so
13:26:12 <Southern_Gentlem> pkovar1,  i deal with new users daily that well be pointed to those docs from #fedora
13:26:48 <pkovar1> fwiw, the last commit in ig is: 2011-05-24 Ruediger Landmannupdate for F15
13:27:44 <Sparks> Okay, let's move on.  Much of this discussion belongs on the list in front of more people so we can get answers.
13:27:57 <Sparks> #topic FAD @ OLF
13:28:05 <Sparks> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_OLF_2011
13:28:15 <Sparks> Stick a fork in this one... it's done!
13:28:22 <zoglesby> I will post a report todasy
13:28:27 <zoglesby> or today
13:28:33 <Sparks> I'd prefer it todasy
13:28:39 <pkovar1> zoglesby: great, thanks :-)
13:29:12 <Sparks> We got a lot accomplished and it wasn't all during the specified Sunday FAD.  I believe the FAD started in my room on Friday and went until.
13:30:22 <Sparks> We didn't have the turnout from the external participants, though
13:30:56 <pkovar1> i see a lot of interesting work done at http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=docs/documentation-guide.git;a=summary
13:31:02 <pkovar1> thank you guys!
13:31:23 <Sparks> #topic FUDcon Blacksburg
13:31:24 <pkovar1> any plans on further improving it?
13:31:33 <Sparks> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012
13:31:39 <Sparks> pkovar1: There's always plans!
13:31:52 <pkovar1> yep, sure :-)
13:32:11 <pkovar1> i'll add some content wrt transifex and translations
13:32:31 <Sparks> pkovar1: Yeah, I started to do that.
13:32:46 <pkovar1> Sparks: awesome, thanks
13:32:47 <Sparks> pkovar1: I was thinking about either grabbing the text from the wiki or referencing the wiki
13:32:52 <Sparks> Okay..
13:33:04 <Sparks> So FUDCon Blacksburg is coming up at the end of January
13:33:33 <Sparks> We are planning on doing an Intro to Docs class and a DocBookXML/Publican class
13:33:40 <Sparks> We need you!
13:33:59 <Sparks> So if you can make it please plan to do so.  If you can help out please say so on the list.
13:34:06 <Sparks> Questions?
13:34:23 <fnadge> Jarek got a great presentation on Docbook/Publican
13:34:45 <Sparks> fnadge: Yes, I'm hoping he'll recycle that for us.
13:35:13 <fnadge> Am sure he will be glad to help
13:35:24 <Sparks> Yes, I've already recruited him
13:35:32 <Sparks> he and John (jjmcd)
13:35:37 <Sparks> :)
13:35:51 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on FUDCon Blacksburg?
13:36:42 <Southern_Gentlem> hotel rooms are open for reservation
13:36:47 <jhradilek> Huh, but I won't be attending FUDCon Blacksburg.
13:37:00 <jhradilek> I am going to give a presentation in Milan though, with jjmcd.
13:37:08 <Sparks> jhradilek: Awesome!
13:37:40 <jhradilek> Which reminds me that I still need to finish the slides. O:-)
13:37:46 <Sparks> heh
13:37:57 <Sparks> okay, moving on
13:38:04 <Sparks> #topic Docs QA
13:38:29 <Sparks> zoglesby will be sending a message to the list later regarding the discussion at the FAD we had about QA.
13:38:44 <zoglesby> Sparks: yes
13:39:03 <zoglesby> and I will start working on the wiki
13:39:18 <Sparks> I believe we got much of the whats and whys out of the way...
13:39:28 <Sparks> so it should be *easier* to implement
13:39:39 <Sparks> zoglesby: Want to say something about this?
13:39:51 <zoglesby> Its great
13:40:35 <fnadge> Sorry, I have two points to tlak about First, about FUDCon Milan
13:40:48 <zoglesby> no, its going to work much like the packaging process, in that you need to submit a patch to BZ and get it QA'ed before you push to git
13:40:57 <Sparks> fnadge: Hold on and I'll give you the floor
13:41:08 <fnadge> okay
13:42:17 <Sparks> zoglesby: Okay, we'll be waiting for that email.
13:42:22 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions on this topic?
13:42:46 <bcotton> any method of enforcing this? or finding the manpower?
13:43:19 <Sparks> bcotton: Yes...  Meet Sven.  He'll be coming to your house for enforcement purposes
13:43:41 <bcotton> :-)
13:43:46 <zoglesby> bcotton: we also have some automation plans
13:43:50 <LinuxCode> Sparks, witha  cricket bat or without ?
13:44:02 <LinuxCode> ;-p
13:44:08 <Sparks> LinuxCode: Sven doesn't need a cricket bat but might use one just for fun.
13:44:18 <LinuxCode> tehehe
13:44:32 <bcotton> okay good. i guess i'm just concerned about setting up a process that we won't reasonably be able to hold ourselves to and what kind of problems it might cause
13:45:04 <bcotton> (not that i have a solution)
13:45:08 <Sparks> bcotton: Right.  If people aren't stepping up to be QAers then we'll need to help each other.
13:45:26 <Sparks> I'll write this and you can review it while I'm reviewing what you wrote.
13:45:46 <zoglesby> bcotton: it is the same as package reviews
13:45:54 <bcotton> ah yes, the extortion model :-D
13:46:09 <bcotton> zoglesby: i'll have to get involved in packaging so i know how that process works
13:46:59 <LinuxCode> bcotton, take ya pick
13:47:02 <LinuxCode> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist
13:48:36 <Sparks> Okay, we need to move on...
13:48:48 <Sparks> #topic FUDCon Milan
13:48:52 <fnadge> sorry for jumping in earlier. I talked to Francesco, the main organizer of FUDCon, but he could not give me any details yet about the hackfest. Basically, the schedule will be ready when we hit the conference.
13:48:54 <Sparks> fnadge: Go
13:49:13 <fnadge> So far I had only one person getting in touch with me.
13:49:27 <fnadge> Who is actually planning to go to FUDCon?
13:51:03 <fnadge> Right, not all at the same time:)
13:51:35 <pkovar1> we'll be there. and jsmith too, i believe
13:51:42 <pkovar1> who else?
13:52:45 <Sparks> Perhaps sending a note to the Docs list would be good.
13:53:16 <fnadge> Right, will try another one
13:53:47 <Sparks> Okay, with just a few minutes left I'll open the floor up.
13:53:54 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion
13:54:02 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?  Questions?  Comments?
13:55:20 <pkovar1> it'd be great if guide owners could send an email to the trans list  once their guides are branched
13:55:43 <pkovar1> i think that was not happening for f15
13:56:11 <pkovar1> and we should improve the communication between our teams
13:56:15 <Sparks> I'd like to point out that many guides add-to their guides and there aren't large changes (exception being the Release Notes) so if translators want to continue to translate their efforts will likely not be in vain.
13:57:42 <Sparks> Okay, anything else before we close?
13:58:06 <pkovar1> nothing else, thanks :-)
13:58:16 <Sparks> zoglesby: Do I need to branch and build and publish Burning ISOs for F16 today?
13:58:36 <zoglesby> Sparks: its already brached
13:58:48 <Sparks> zoglesby: Do I need to build and publish Burning ISOs for F16 today?
13:58:53 <zoglesby> if you want to publish it and have the time that would be fine
13:59:04 <Sparks> I'll put it on my list for today
13:59:08 <zoglesby> thanks!
13:59:31 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
13:59:34 <zoglesby> I am playing catch up at work today so I will send the FAD notes tonight
13:59:54 <Sparks> Awesome
13:59:58 <zoglesby> if I don't fall asleep when I walk in the door at my house that is :)
14:00:10 <Sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for joining us today.
14:00:12 <Sparks> #endmeeting