13:59:35 <bcotton> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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13:59:44 <bcotton> #meetingname Fedora Docs
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13:59:53 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
14:01:39 <bcotton> anyone here for a docs meeting?
14:01:54 <lonewolf8> yes I am
14:02:15 <jsmith> bcotton: I'm around, but don't have much to add to the meeting this morning
14:02:24 <bcotton> jsmith: no comment
14:03:43 * jjmcd 
14:04:26 <bcotton> how does that old saying go? Four's a Quor[um]. Let's get started!
14:04:35 <bcotton> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:04:40 <bcotton> they're all done
14:04:51 <bcotton> i think
14:04:57 <bcotton> Sparks: ping
14:05:55 <bcotton> okay, well i don't know if sparks did this, so i'll preserve it
14:05:57 <bcotton> #action Sparks To change the QA assignee in BZ from an individual to the docs-qa list.
14:06:11 <bcotton> #topic FUDcon Blacksburg
14:06:22 <bcotton> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012
14:06:30 <bcotton> #info Docs is sponsoring two classes at FUDCon Blacksburg: Introduction to Docs and DocBookXML/Publican
14:07:06 <bcotton> we're just a few weeks away. at this point i trust everyone who is going has signed up and made the necessary arrangements
14:07:28 <bcotton> jsmith, jjmcd: how's your presentation going? need anything from the group?
14:07:52 <jjmcd> To tell the truth, I still have some work to do, but I'm not concerned
14:08:12 <jjmcd> We have the Milan prez, just needs a little more fat
14:08:22 <jsmith> Yeah, we'll work on it
14:08:33 * jsmith could easily do the presentation without any slides
14:08:40 <jjmcd> ditto
14:08:59 <jsmith> After all, I think I've done a Docs presentation at every FUDCon I've been to for the past three or four years
14:09:45 <bcotton> excellent. the important thing is that you have slides that i can fork when it comes time to beat my coworkers over the head with the "hey we're going to do documentation now" club
14:09:58 <jjmcd> :-)
14:11:07 <bcotton> anything else on FUDcon?
14:11:51 <claneys> hi
14:12:38 <bcotton> good morning claneys
14:12:47 <jjmcd> bon apres midi
14:12:53 <bcotton> #topic Docs QA
14:13:04 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_QA_Procedure
14:13:35 <bcotton> so last week we finally came to what seems like an agreement on a first attempt at a QA procedure.
14:14:07 <jsmith> Awesome :-)
14:14:34 <bcotton> the plan is to follow this through the F17 release and then revisit to see what we need to improve
14:15:11 <bcotton> if anyone has minor tweaks, please bring them up on the list, but let's save major changes for May
14:15:34 <bcotton> any discussion on the QA procedure?
14:17:08 <bcotton> #topic Guide Status
14:18:02 <bcotton> I see the Installation Quick Start Guide went out. hooray! Other than that, we've got about 5 weeks until Docs tasks start appearing on rbergeron's schedule
14:18:51 <jsmith> Yes, I'm happy to see that gomix has been making progress on his guide as well
14:19:02 * jsmith can't think of the name of it in English at the moment
14:21:07 <bcotton> Software Management Guide?
14:23:05 <bcotton> #topic Outstanding BZ tickets
14:23:14 <bcotton> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:23:59 <bcotton> we got a lot of them stomped during the bug squashing party, but there's still plenty to tackle. if you're a new contributor (hint: lonewolf8), this might be a good place to get started
14:24:36 <bcotton> if my wife doesn't have too long of a to-do list for me today, i hope to spend some time on them this afternoon
14:24:58 <claneys> I started a How to asked on wiki pages
14:25:00 <lonewolf8> ok, let me check
14:25:07 <claneys> about editing iptables rules
14:25:35 <bcotton> claneys: ah yes, we were discussing that last night. have you moved it out of your talk page and onto it's own page?
14:26:09 <claneys> not yet, I move on today I hope
14:26:16 <bcotton> excellent
14:26:53 <bcotton> #action claneys to move "How To Edit iptables Rules" to its own wiki page
14:27:03 <lonewolf8> about editing iptables, can I make a suggestion...
14:27:06 <bcotton> #topic Open floor discussion
14:27:20 <claneys> lonewolf8: yes, of course
14:28:12 <lonewolf8> claneys : the doc is gr8 just wanted to suggest if we can add flushing of iptables in it
14:28:22 <claneys> bcotton: I'm not sure to understand correctly, you want that I move my "how to" on my wiki page "my talk" ?
14:29:06 <claneys> lonewolf8: No problem, I forgot that :)
14:29:31 <lonewolf8> claneys: another thing is to add a bottom note on various available graphical front -ends of iptables
14:29:45 <lonewolf8> these are two common things which is often asked among the newbies
14:29:47 <bcotton> claneys: yes, right now its on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Rforlot, correct?
14:29:53 <lonewolf8> claneys : thnx
14:30:15 <chuckf> quick question. I just got online a few minutes ago and read through the buffer. Will the docs presentations at fudcon have slides and/or notes on what is discussed?
14:30:19 <claneys> lonewolf8: ok, I don't know well other GUI available for iptables, but I'll search for make a quick list
14:31:11 <claneys> bcotton: yes, and you want that I move this page to do.fp.o ?
14:31:53 <bcotton> no, i want to to be on the wiki still, but on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/how_to_edit_firewall_settings or something similar
14:32:10 <bcotton> that way it should be easier to find
14:32:22 <bcotton> of course, it can also be absorbed into one of the docs on d.fp.o
14:32:45 <claneys> ok, I do that this afternoon
14:32:56 <bcotton> claneys: excellent. thank you
14:33:19 <bcotton> chuckf: i believe there will be slides made available. is that right jjmcd/jsmith?
14:33:46 <jjmcd> bcotton, yes, the slides from Milan are available, we will add to them
14:34:00 <jjmcd> I can't speak for the Docs prez, tho, only Publican/Docbook
14:35:04 <jjmcd> http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/Pub-DocBook.odp  -  from Milan
14:35:15 <bcotton> last i talked to Sparks, i think he was only going to have a few quick slides and then leave it as open floor discussion
14:35:35 <bcotton> chuckf:  http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/Pub-DocBook.odp  <-- from FUDcon Milan
14:35:39 <bcotton> #link  http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/Pub-DocBook.odp
14:35:47 <chuckf> thanks
14:36:00 <jjmcd> We will add to that for Blacksburg
14:36:52 <jjmcd> And like jsmith said, a lot of it will probably be winged
14:37:04 <jjmcd> FUDcon's aren't all that formal ;-)
14:38:04 <chuckf> I'm just starting to look at the docs process for Fedora and didn't know how formal the talks were
14:38:46 <bcotton> chuckf: very little about the docs group is formal. except we always wear tuxedos for our IRC meetings
14:38:51 <jjmcd> FUDcons can be pretty laid-back
14:39:25 <jjmcd> Of course, top hat and tails to the barcamps, but that goes without saying
14:39:29 <chuckf> I feel a little underdressed now
14:39:39 * chuckf is still in his jammies
14:40:12 * bcotton drops his moncle
14:40:17 <bcotton> monocle, too
14:41:30 <bcotton> okay, i think we've sufficiently sidetracked ourselves. :-)
14:41:38 <bcotton> anyone have any other topics to bring up?
14:42:41 <claneys> hum maybe
14:42:59 <bcotton> go ahead claneys
14:43:21 <claneys> Maybe the wiki page about how make docbook xml page need a refresh
14:44:09 <claneys> There is still reference to python-mwlib but the package was removed
14:44:13 <bcotton> link?
14:44:38 <claneys> I searched ^^
14:45:14 <jjmcd> claneys, yeah, that was a nasty surprised.  I plan to come up with some alternative before F17
14:47:58 <claneys> ok I don't find wiki page ...
14:48:44 <claneys> got it
14:48:58 <claneys> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Converting_wiki_to_DocBook_XML
14:50:23 <jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Converting_wiki_to_DocBook_XML
14:53:58 <claneys> , what is #link purpose ?
14:54:25 <bcotton> claneys: it's a bot command that gets the link included in the meeting minutes
14:54:53 <claneys> ok thanks you
14:55:04 <bcotton> last call for discussion items for this week
14:56:57 <bcotton> okay, well thanks everyone. we'll do this again next year!
14:57:01 <bcotton> #endmeeting