14:01:06 <bcotton> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:01:17 <bcotton> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:01:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:24 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
14:01:33 * Capesteve waves
14:01:37 * jjmcd_ 
14:01:44 * randomuser grumbles
14:02:17 * pkovar1 is here
14:02:30 * jhradilek ✓
14:05:07 <bcotton> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:05:18 <bcotton> randomuser: to file a bug against RN for user-mounted media or just add the content
14:05:54 <randomuser> i just added the content. I'm not entirely satisfied with that content, but it gets the point across
14:06:03 <bcotton> excellent
14:06:11 <bcotton> jjmcd_: to update the RN schedule
14:06:16 <jjmcd_> Nope
14:06:33 <bcotton> alrighty, well that brings us to
14:06:36 <jjmcd_> I thought maybe I had because I have a printout hanging next to my laptop
14:06:40 <bcotton> #topic Release Notes
14:06:43 <jjmcd_> but no, the wiki is out of date
14:07:01 <bcotton> okay, then i won't put the schedule in the minutes :-)
14:07:19 <jjmcd_> So, yurchor saved me a ton of work by making a huge patch file
14:07:19 <bcotton> jjmcd_: trans wants to know what the deadline is for getting translated RNs into the ISO
14:07:33 <jjmcd_> OK, we have kind of a problem
14:07:51 <jjmcd_> Supposedly, the first rash of translations are due on thye 14th
14:08:06 <jjmcd_> then we have updates to the RNs 15-7
14:08:16 <jjmcd_> giving L10n the 18th to translate the tweaks
14:08:21 <jjmcd_> HOWEVER
14:08:47 <jjmcd_> I will be out of town from the 18th afternoon until the 20th
14:09:07 <jjmcd_> So, unless someone else wants to make the RPM, I need to do it on the 17th
14:09:24 <jjmcd_> THe good news is I don't expect that we will actually make changes 15-17
14:09:43 <jjmcd_> So, if we are translated by like the 16th we should be good to go
14:10:17 <jjmcd_> If they need a few more days then we need to find someone else to make the rpm
14:10:38 <jjmcd_> It isn't hard, zogleby did it once, and we should have more folks who know how to do it
14:10:44 <bcotton> #info translations are due by the 16th for inclusion in the RN rpm
14:11:01 <jjmcd_> Also
14:11:16 <jjmcd_> I restarted the cron job that puts translations on fedorapeople
14:11:52 <jjmcd_> And the Ukranian team is way ahead of the pack.  Usually it's the Dutch who are quick but they are getting routed by the Ukranians
14:12:24 <jjmcd_> I think uk-UA is like 70% or something as of yesterday
14:12:45 <jjmcd_> 98% this morning
14:13:12 <jjmcd_> I just got another bug, will fix today
14:15:04 * sgordon is late, situation normal
14:16:03 <sgordon> it would probably not be an impossibility for me to do the RPM if required
14:16:18 <sgordon> insert instructions and salt to taste
14:16:30 <jjmcd_> sgordon, there is an app.  It is quite different than a RHEL RPM
14:16:38 <jjmcd_> But that does make it easy
14:16:39 <sgordon> of course it is
14:16:47 <sgordon> :p
14:17:18 <jjmcd_> I need to make a step-by-step cuz there's things I tend to forget
14:17:31 <jjmcd_> like removing the draft status and updating rev history
14:18:05 <jjmcd_> yum localinstall doc-publican-rpm
14:18:15 <bcotton> might be a good addition to the Documentation Guide?
14:18:28 <claneys> hi
14:18:28 <jjmcd_> might no thurt
14:18:47 * jjmcd_ needs to add dpr to Fedora - keep putting that off
14:19:10 <jjmcd_> http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/doc-publican-rpm/
14:19:50 <jjmcd_> sources are in git, made the rpm a zillion times, just never submitted it
14:20:34 <jjmcd_> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git?p=docs/tools.git;a=tree;f=tools/doc-publican-rpm;h=630e0514387da4d3cb909b4875c7c56eeda22eeb;hb=HEAD
14:20:37 <bcotton> #link http://jjmcd.fedorapeople.org/Download/doc-publican-rpm/
14:20:40 <nb> sgordon, you'll need to request acls for fedora-release-notes in pkgdb
14:20:44 <nb> unless you're in provenpackager
14:20:53 <jjmcd_> Good catch, Nick
14:21:16 <jjmcd_> If we get L10n done by the 16th we're good to go
14:21:17 <sgordon> k
14:22:54 <bcotton> anything else on RN?
14:23:08 <jjmcd_> not unless there's questions
14:23:37 <sgordon> ok commit requests should be waiting review
14:23:42 <sgordon> for devel and f17
14:23:57 <sgordon> (on f-r-n package)
14:24:03 <sgordon> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/fedora-release-notes
14:24:56 <bcotton> #topic Guide Status
14:25:03 <bcotton> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html
14:25:27 <bcotton> #info one week until string freeze for guides
14:26:38 <bcotton> any updates on guide status?
14:27:26 <bcotton> i guess not
14:27:36 <bcotton> #topic Open Help Conference
14:27:44 <bcotton> #link http://openhelpconference.com
14:27:50 <bcotton> #info Open Help Conference is Aug 11-15 in Cincinnati, OH
14:28:06 <bcotton> I see in the agenda that we're supposed to lean on jhradilek to make the Publican patch
14:28:22 <jjmcd_> pitch
14:28:28 <bcotton> ah, pitch
14:28:38 <jhradilek> Huh?
14:28:42 <bcotton> thanks jjmcd_
14:28:50 <bcotton> jhradilek: how would you like to make the Publican pitch?
14:29:04 <jjmcd_> I hear he did a great job at Brno, seems like he should do it for the non-Fedorans
14:30:44 <bcotton> we'll have to keep on him
14:30:45 <jjmcd_> I don't know how the powers that be at RH would support that, but I think it would be good for Fedora and RH.  It is kind of an expensive talk.
14:31:13 <jhradilek> I am not attending the Open Help Conference. O_o
14:31:29 <jjmcd_> Well, you have until August to change your mind about that
14:31:47 <bcotton> perhaps rbergeron can reach into her bag of cash
14:33:42 <bcotton> anything else on the OHC?
14:34:12 <bcotton> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:34:22 <bcotton> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:34:54 <bcotton> #topic Open floor discussion
14:35:05 <bcotton> anything we need to cover that hasn't come up yet?
14:35:32 <jjmcd_> There is a bug I could use help on ... let me find it again
14:36:09 <randomuser> i see that last week, you guys attempted to pawn off the technical notes to me
14:36:52 <bcotton> randomuser: well jjmcd_ said you were pretty awesome at it
14:36:56 <jjmcd_> randomuser, do you want to take that?
14:37:48 <randomuser> i could take it, given a little mentoring. I haven't been involved with the process past content writing, so although I've observed the gist of the following steps, I'm not sure what actually comprises them
14:37:53 <jjmcd_> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=751516  -  not sure how to fix that one
14:39:41 <bcotton> jjmcd_: is it possible to manually edit that between generation and RPM creation?
14:40:11 <jjmcd_> bcotton, yes, but it is messy.  I suspect some C guru could help me fix it without manual intervention
14:40:38 <nb> is anyone wanting to attend open help conference?
14:40:47 <nb> funding might be able to be arranged
14:40:51 <bcotton> where does that come from? is it automatic from the translated RN?
14:40:56 <jjmcd_> dpr reads the XML to get that text and somewhere along the line the formatting gets changed
14:41:09 <jjmcd_> not formatting - encoding
14:43:00 <jjmcd_> I'm sure there's some attribute somewhere to tweak, I just don't know where
14:44:29 <bcotton> is it something you could ask on a site like stackoverflow?
14:44:39 <jjmcd_> nb, if we can't hit jhradilek up for the Publican presentation, I might be looking for hotel funding
14:45:00 <jjmcd_> bcotton, I might could try.  Its a tad stale so I haven't been putting in a lot of effort
14:45:38 <jjmcd_> I also have 694075 that could be a simple fix, but I can't make up my mind whether or not it is a good idea
14:46:03 <bcotton> jjmcd_: sure. it doesn't seem like a super-critical bug, but i dont think anyone in docs has a sufficiently long beard :-)
14:46:18 <jjmcd_> hehe - yep
14:46:38 <jjmcd_> Have to go poke Max or Greg ;-)
14:47:17 <bcotton> jjmcd_: re 694075 might bring it to the list. i'm making arguments for both methods in my head
14:47:37 <jjmcd_> Yeah, I know.  Same here.
14:48:10 <bcotton> maybe we can discuss is long enough that the decision waits until F18 :-)
14:51:07 <jjmcd_> Maybe the answer is to note in the F17 RNs that it will change in F18.
14:51:28 <bcotton> that seems like a good strategy to me
14:51:33 <jjmcd_> I suspect there are folks who still don't know there is a menu entry for RNs
14:51:42 <bcotton> it would make sense to be consistent for all docs
14:51:49 <jjmcd_> yes
14:52:30 <jjmcd_> And there are still plenty of folks who like non-GUI systems
14:53:24 <jjmcd_> One could argue that they should be in /usr/share/doc/fedora-17
14:54:00 <randomuser> that would seem consistent with other packages
14:54:02 <jjmcd_> It never occurs to me to look in /usr/share/doc/HTML for docs
14:54:36 <bcotton> yeah, doc/<package>/<format> seems more intuitive to me
14:55:53 <jjmcd_> heh - my F16 has the GPL in /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-13
14:56:01 <bcotton> haha
14:56:19 <bcotton> ooh, we're running up against the end of the hour. is there anything else we need to quickly discuss?
14:58:05 <bcotton> crickets. okay, thanks everyone! don't forget that guide string freeze is next week
14:58:08 <bcotton> #endmeeting