14:00:43 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:00:43 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:43 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:01:24 <randomuser> welcome, who is here today?
14:01:59 * pkovar is here
14:02:07 * jjmcd 
14:04:26 * randomuser checks the hall for stragglers
14:04:59 * sgordon is here
14:05:38 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:05:48 <randomuser> we flagged two action items, both me
14:06:20 <randomuser> One was adding `publican clean` to the documentation guide, which I didn't do
14:07:14 <randomuser> the other was poking around with the guides table on the wiki
14:07:20 <randomuser> which I *did* do
14:07:45 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
14:08:03 <randomuser> #info Guides table has been changed
14:08:43 <randomuser> I left the fedorahosted trac page in, but the repo column is now correct for all
14:09:05 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes / Feature review
14:09:38 <randomuser> There will be some feedback from the beta RNs, but I think we look fairly good
14:10:03 <randomuser> The DE section needs some filling out, though
14:10:20 <randomuser> #info desktop environments could be better described in the release notes
14:10:49 <randomuser> no shocking changes or revoked features yet
14:11:17 <randomuser> any comments on release notes?
14:12:50 <sgordon> tumbleweeds
14:13:07 <randomuser> indeed
14:13:21 <randomuser> #topic Guide status
14:14:06 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table is sort of abandoned
14:14:54 <randomuser> There's really no telling what our guide priorities are except by inference from commits
14:16:04 <randomuser> i'm not sure what the answer is, but the way we do things now doesn't accommodate new contributors very well, and i'd like everyone to keep that in mind
14:16:22 <randomuser> and that's all I have to say about guides
14:18:03 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:18:11 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:18:23 <randomuser> any bugs we should discuss?
14:19:48 <randomuser> okay, moving on then
14:19:55 <randomuser> #topic Open floor discussion
14:20:49 <sgordon> so the docs site move to rpms etc.
14:20:54 <sgordon> i see Sparks pinged on the ticket
14:21:03 <sgordon> i talked to rudi last week in the hope of getting an update too
14:21:19 * jreznik is a bit late here - with beta release, we had a problem with release notes - not available on docs.fedoraproject.org but link added to announcement, same websites guys were waiting for the link...
14:21:24 <sgordon> i think it's important that this gets done sooner rather than later since once F19 is gold most writers will end up with publican 3
14:21:52 <sgordon> and thus will endure the same suffering as RH authors do currently where you have to downgrade and/or maintain a P2 installation somewhere to publish to d.fp.o
14:21:53 <randomuser> jreznik, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Release_Notes/ ?
14:21:58 <sgordon> :)
14:22:19 <randomuser> jreznik, not sure what happened to the menu - have not figured it out yet
14:22:45 <randomuser> sgordon, i think that rudi's a one man band on this one
14:23:03 <sgordon> yah that is my impression also
14:23:31 <randomuser> although once it's set up, I'll have plenty of people to pester about how to use it :)
14:23:53 <sgordon> once it's setup it's actually pretty straight foward
14:23:56 <sgordon> *forward
14:24:08 <sgordon> :)
14:24:48 <randomuser> I'm hoping it's more user-friendly at least
14:25:09 <randomuser> I have struggle with web.git as often as not
14:27:37 <randomuser> #action randomuser to fix docs.fp.o so f19b release notes are correctly published
14:28:35 <randomuser> #info our current publishing platform *does not* work with publican 2.x and F19 only has publican3
14:29:01 <randomuser> we're looking stalled out here, anything else?
14:29:31 * Sparks is here
14:30:17 <randomuser> morning Sparks, thanks for prodding that ticket
14:30:27 <Sparks> randomuser: Yeah, I forgot about it.
14:30:39 <Sparks> I believe your statement above is not accurate.
14:30:59 <Sparks> Our current publishing platform *only* works with Publican 2.x and F19 only has Publican 3.x
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14:31:25 <jjmcd> Oh goodie
14:31:37 <randomuser> #action randomuser to fix docs.fp.o so f19b release notes are correctly published
14:31:43 <randomuser> hrmm
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14:31:53 <randomuser> #info our current publishing platform *only* work with publican 2.x and F19 only has publican3
14:32:01 <randomuser> meh, close enough
14:32:07 <randomuser> thanks Sparks
14:32:13 <Sparks> heh
14:32:44 <Sparks> I'll be very excited to start packaging up our documentation instead of doing the whole web repo thingy
14:32:57 <randomuser> one of us should start a fedorapeople repo with publican2, to be on the safe side
14:33:33 <randomuser> ...if we can't get it as a separate package officially
14:33:52 <randomuser> i wonder how many users out there are going to get smacked by this
14:35:33 <jreznik> randomuser: sorry, back - just to make sure it's fixed for final, would be great in advance so we will be pretty sure everything is ok (I'll make it a part of readiness meeting to do some QA)
14:36:23 <randomuser> jreznik, that should be feasible :)
14:38:12 * randomuser lights the fuse
14:39:07 <Sparks> randomuser: I'd probably start something on the list and poke Rudi to communicate.
14:39:32 <randomuser> Sparks, is that an offer or a suggestion? I'll take either
14:39:46 <Sparks> suggestion
14:39:48 <Sparks> :)
14:39:56 <randomuser> :)
14:40:05 <randomuser> #endmeeting