22:28:41 <threebean> #startmeeting testing
22:28:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Feb  8 22:28:41 2014 UTC.  The chair is threebean. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:00:16 <zodbot> randomuser: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
14:00:16 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:17 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:00:26 * lnovich is here
14:00:40 <randomuser> can't start another meeting !?!
14:00:43 <randomuser> #endmeeting
14:01:00 <randomuser> ahem
14:01:06 <randomuser> <threebean> 15:28:41> #startmeeting testing
14:01:10 <pbokoc> hahahah
14:01:25 * Capesteve waves
14:01:33 * jhradilek waves too and leaves.
14:03:16 <randomuser> hang on folks, we'll see if we can get someone to prod the bot
14:03:46 <fenris02> #endmeeting
14:03:54 <fenris02> zodbot, chairs
14:04:00 <fenris02> zodbot, ping
14:04:00 <zodbot> pong
14:04:29 <fenris02> hm.  threebean started a test meeting .. and never ended it
14:04:48 <lnovich> throw a bean bag at the bot then
14:05:15 <Capesteve> three bean would be a good name for a coffee shop
14:05:16 <randomuser> #chair fenris02
14:06:01 <randomuser> well, we've at least got the greetings out of the way
14:06:11 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:06:27 <randomuser> any new writers here today?
14:07:35 <lnovich> guess not
14:07:46 <randomuser> would seem so
14:08:08 <randomuser> #topic Publican and Publishing
14:08:47 <randomuser> this seems like it's getting somewhere; rudi had a staging instance up last week and was doing things behind the curtain
14:12:10 <lnovich> any indication when things will be done?
14:14:19 <randomuser> nb set up a sysadmin-docs fas group, of which rudi is the sponsor
14:14:19 <randomuser> so afaik rudi will work out the scripts to pull in guides from koji, then we'll ansibleate the instance and start publishing guides
14:14:52 <lnovich> ok
14:15:40 <pkovar> what do we plan to do with the old docs.fp.o instance? (and the guides in it)
14:16:10 <pkovar> archive/move to something like docs-old.fp.o?
14:20:05 <randomuser> pkovar, not sure - i'm sure it will stay around until everything is published, and web.git won't go away
14:20:32 <randomuser> #chair lnovich jhradilek Capesteve
14:20:47 <randomuser> I'm battling some weird routing issues here, sorry
14:21:04 <lnovich> all ok?
14:22:09 <randomuser> for some reason, my routing table starts using the wrong interface to access a given host, or drops a route, or forgets the gateway
14:22:12 <pkovar> randomuser: so, are we going to republish *all* guides on docs,fp.o?
14:22:28 <randomuser> pkovar, as I understand it, yes
14:22:46 <randomuser> pkovar, are you suggesting an alternative?
14:22:47 <pkovar> hm, that looks like a lot of work though
14:22:55 <randomuser> yeah.
14:23:20 <pkovar> i would suggest to only republish guides from recent releases
14:23:36 <pkovar> and archive/move everything else
14:23:39 <lnovich> no point anything before F18
14:23:54 <randomuser> I agree
14:23:56 <lnovich> but we can't remove it
14:24:09 <lnovich> there are customers who still use it
14:24:19 <randomuser> lnovich, there are?
14:24:20 <lnovich> i mean people and companies
14:24:40 <lnovich> yup i just helped a company move from F11
14:24:41 <pkovar> maybe set up redirects to an -old instance?
14:25:13 <randomuser> we could migrate over after a given number of guides are published, and see if anyone squawks
14:25:28 <randomuser> although they probably will squawk, but not to us
14:26:17 <lnovich> we could keep just the PDF and trash the HTML - that would save us some space!
14:26:37 <randomuser> ... or vise versa
14:26:42 <lnovich> true
14:27:21 <randomuser> pkovar, if we want to have the old content around, i don't think we should maintain two different workflows, processes, instances, etc and bridge them with a redirect
14:27:53 <pkovar> i think the biggest concern here are broken URLs
14:27:58 <randomuser> easier now, but...
14:29:07 <randomuser> hmm... there are probably error_logs
14:30:52 <randomuser> #action to investigate docs.fp.o httpd error logs
14:31:17 <randomuser> it would be interesting to see what kind of traffic we're getting, anyway
14:32:07 <nirik> #endmeeting