14:00:28 <randomuser`> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:28 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 18 14:00:28 2014 UTC. The chair is randomuser`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:28 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:28 <randomuser`> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:28 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:28 <randomuser`> #topic Roll Call 14:00:38 * jhradilek is here. 14:00:41 * Sparks 14:00:45 <bexelbie> .helloiam bex 14:01:13 * bexelbie is here .. and still not capable of memorizing undocumented zodbot commands :( 14:01:23 <bexelbie> .hellomyname is bex 14:01:30 * pbokoc 14:01:40 <bexelbie> .hellomynameis bex 14:01:41 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:01:48 <bexelbie> whee 14:02:22 * randomuser` is here *before* the meeting start today, yeah! 14:02:35 * pbokoc claps 14:04:30 <randomuser`> let's jump right in 14:04:40 <randomuser`> #topic follow up on action items 14:04:59 <randomuser`> I was going to retire readme-burning-isos, that's not done yet 14:05:23 <randomuser`> pkovar1, did you mail the list about formatting? 14:05:36 <randomuser`> or formats, rather 14:06:00 <pkovar1> oh, not yet. still on my to do list, sorry 14:06:15 <randomuser`> ok 14:06:20 <bexelbie> randomuser I thought that doc was going away 14:06:50 <randomuser`> bexelbie, the doc I just mentioned retiring, you mean? 14:07:02 <bexelbie> yes .. sorry I read retire as rewrite 14:07:06 <randomuser`> heh 14:07:06 <bexelbie> bad vision 14:07:17 <randomuser`> #action randomuser` to deadpackage readme-burning-isos 14:07:39 <randomuser`> #action pkovar to mail list about more approachable formats 14:07:55 <randomuser`> #topic New Writers 14:08:04 <pkovar1> would love to hear about other attendees' thoughts too, so hopefully my mail will kick off some discussion 14:08:54 <randomuser`> Any new writers here? 14:10:27 <randomuser`> bexelbie, I don't think you count as 'new' anymore :P 14:11:38 <randomuser`> #chair pbokoc 14:11:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: pbokoc randomuser` 14:11:45 <randomuser`> i have someone here... 14:11:47 <bexelbie> randomuser`, I hope not .. my warranty expired 14:12:05 <pbokoc> nice 14:14:17 <pbokoc> so, randomuser` you have someone new? 14:15:15 <randomuser`> no, office visitor 14:17:14 <pbokoc> oh! 14:17:32 <pbokoc> ok then, moving on 14:17:41 <pbokoc> #topic Release Notes Beats 14:18:13 <pbokoc> so, we still have a ton of things to cover 14:18:36 <pbokoc> same thing as last week applies - if we all cover a few changes, it's going to be done in no time 14:19:16 <pbokoc> #link red.ht/1sPgI5t 14:19:49 <pbokoc> #link fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/ChangeSet 14:20:19 <pbokoc> also has anyone seen zoglesby? 14:23:21 <pbokoc> yruseva, we're talking about release note beats. If you have some time, grab one or two from http://red.ht/1sPgI5t and write them 14:25:15 <pbokoc> #info change deadline is tomorrow (aug 19) and alpha release is sep 02, so we need to be done with alpha beats by then 14:25:24 <yruseva> pbokoc, are the ones in MODIFIED included? 14:25:57 <pbokoc> yruseva, the ones on MODIFIED should be the highest priority actually - that status means that the bug is actually in F21 right now and testable, meaning we should cover it 14:26:12 * lnovich appologizes for being late - wireless crashed and burned 14:26:25 <yruseva> right, these are not Docs BZs 14:26:25 <pbokoc> ASSIGNED means it's not in/testable yet... or the owner forgot to flip the status 14:26:31 <pbokoc> yeah, they're change trackers 14:26:59 <pbokoc> if you want to write something, add yourself as Docs Contact and find a category for that change at the wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats 14:27:05 <yruseva> pbokoc, how do I know who's grabbed what so far? 14:27:34 <yruseva> okay, it's in the wiki 14:27:36 <pbokoc> yruseva, that's kinda complicated. It _should_ be that if a beat is "taken", it has docs contact set 14:27:46 <pbokoc> but some contributors didn't do that, so check the wiki too 14:28:12 <pbokoc> and of course, if you have any questions, ping me - or #fedora-docs 14:28:38 <yruseva> I see it, thanks 14:28:44 <pbokoc> anyway, anyone else got anything on beats? 14:29:35 <pbokoc> ok then 14:29:46 <lnovich> i don't have anything yet - sorry 14:29:47 <pbokoc> #topic SEO with DocBook & Publican 14:30:01 <pbokoc> this is probably going to be a short one - anone? 14:30:21 * Sparks is having issues with Publican in general. 14:30:43 <lnovich> only that i need to make a test case and run it - although it is possible - i need to test it to see if it makes a difference over good titles 14:31:25 <lnovich> this will take some time and I applogize as it is on my 'wish i had time to do' list vs my must do list 14:31:32 <pbokoc> Sparks, if _you_ are having problems, I don't think many of us can help you :)) 14:32:08 <pbokoc> lnovich, yeah, I know how you feel... well, I think SEO is pretty much "'wish i had time to do" for the whole docs project, too 14:32:10 <randomuser`> thanks pbokoc 14:32:30 * randomuser` scrolls up 14:32:46 <pbokoc> ah, the boss is back :)) 14:35:26 <randomuser`> lnovich, why don't we make a bug against the documentation guide for SEO and assign it to you, then you can poke at it and we can keep track, without singling you out in the meeting? 14:36:07 <Sparks> randomuser`: I kinda like singling her out every week. 14:36:10 * Sparks ducks 14:36:23 <randomuser`> well, we can come up with other things too 14:36:33 * lnovich aims 14:36:43 <bexelbie> that might also help others contribute to the project 14:36:48 <lnovich> better watch out sparks i have you on radar 14:37:52 <randomuser`> I'm going to interpret that as agreement, then 14:38:08 <randomuser`> #action lnovich to file bug for herself for SEO against documentation guide 14:38:25 <lnovich> i wish i could be more available at the moment but my 'day job' keeps me busy 14:38:25 <randomuser`> then we'll talk about it in the bugs part of the meeting! 14:38:34 <lnovich> but fine, will do 14:38:41 <randomuser`> #topic publican and publishing 14:39:09 <randomuser`> rkratky and yruseva have worked on this quite a bit, and it sounds like they plan to work on it more 14:39:39 <randomuser`> for the short term, they have come up with style for the existing landing page that will probably be adequate for deployment 14:40:24 <randomuser`> so I need to package up the files they have provided and apply them, then we're on to talking about the changeover with infra 14:40:29 <pbokoc> oooh, lemme see 14:40:31 <yruseva> yep. we have a plan, now I need to draw it up 14:40:57 <yruseva> randomuser`, how far can I go from the original website? Can I try something completely different? 14:41:32 <randomuser`> yruseva, as far as you want to maintain :) 14:42:05 <randomuser`> yruseva, we do want it to have some mechanism for reflecting our library on the fly without having to patch publican 14:42:46 <randomuser`> yruseva, also it needs to be static content 14:42:53 <yruseva> randomuser`, o..kay 14:43:15 <yruseva> I don't get the technical side, much just to let you know :) I consult with rkratky on these 14:43:19 <yruseva> alright, will have it in mind 14:44:36 <randomuser`> sure 14:44:57 <randomuser`> I'm vaguely familiar with the technical side, between us I'm sure we can make something work 14:46:42 <yruseva> randomuser`, sure :) 14:46:57 <randomuser`> let's talk about guides 14:47:02 <randomuser`> #topic Guide Status 14:48:25 <randomuser`> pbokoc, your guide is probably the most time-sensitive - do you have a task list that we can latch onto? 14:48:55 <pbokoc> hmm 14:49:09 <pbokoc> well, I don't, but I think I could put something together 14:51:09 <randomuser`> awesome 14:51:18 <randomuser`> if you did that, I think I could help 14:51:33 <randomuser`> #action pbokoc to build todo list for Installation Guide 14:52:02 <pbokoc> alright then 14:52:31 <randomuser`> what other guide things should we talk about? 14:53:09 <pbokoc> there's something about virt-getting-started-guide in last week's action items 14:53:32 <pbokoc> oh no, wait, that's from the week before that 14:53:36 <randomuser`> ah, that's been a couple weeks, i think 14:53:48 <randomuser`> "lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get their plans, cc docs list " 14:54:11 <randomuser`> are we still expecting this, lnovich ? 14:55:30 <randomuser`> oh, i've got one 14:56:00 <randomuser`> #info When working beats, remember to communicate changes that you discover that affect Guide content, ie file a bug 14:56:38 <randomuser`> #topic open floor 14:56:47 <randomuser`> Okay, here's your chance! 14:57:40 <pbokoc> yeah, btw, do we take change tracker status into account or do we ignore that? Because right now about half the change bugzillas are still on assigned, or even new 14:58:10 <pbokoc> and pinging every change owner asking if it's going to happen or not seems just impractical 14:58:38 <randomuser`> pbokoc, I don't know what the status is supposed to reflect, tbh - it should at least read approved or refused, deferred or WIP 14:59:06 <pbokoc> randomuser`, well, right now "modified" means the change is in F21 and testable, and anything under that implies it's not 14:59:16 <pbokoc> but it can also mean that the owner just didn't change the status 14:59:36 * randomuser` nods 14:59:54 <lnovich> still expecting something randomuser - sorry i am not multitasking well today 15:00:09 <randomuser`> pinging the owner seems like a good idea - impractical, but communication is good 15:00:35 <randomuser`> our time is up, thanks for coming everyone 15:00:39 <randomuser`> #endmeeting