14:05:57 <radnomuser`> #startmeeting Fedora Docs
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14:06:26 * pbokoc 
14:06:41 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:06:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:06:48 <randomuser> #topic roll call
14:07:22 * rkratky ...
14:07:50 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Standing_Agenda
14:08:45 * Capesteve waves
14:08:52 * pkovar is here
14:10:42 <randomuser> hm. Hello, Brno :)
14:10:56 <Capesteve> Dobry den randomuser
14:11:09 <yruseva> :)
14:11:23 <pbokoc> guten morgen
14:11:50 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:12:20 <randomuser> i have one here to officially 'retire' readme-burning-isos
14:12:53 <randomuser> ...and I havent done it yet. Soon. I think we've mostly got the idea for now, though
14:13:08 <pbokoc> yeah, I told Noriko to remove it from the transfer list to Zanata in the thread on docs-list, I hope that's ok
14:13:18 <randomuser> pbokoc, yeah, thanks
14:13:37 <randomuser> pbokoc, there's one about the IG here too - talk about it when guides come up?
14:13:45 <pbokoc> yeah, I was just about to say that :)
14:14:38 <randomuser> and, we're still looking forward to pkovar's missives on approachable document formats
14:15:13 <pkovar> Right.  It's still in my backlog but I have not had time to send the email.
14:15:17 <pkovar> soon
14:15:19 <pkovar> ;)
14:15:23 <randomuser> fair enough
14:15:31 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:16:27 <randomuser> Everyone say hello to jhunt|mtg !
14:16:33 <jhunt|mtg> thanks
14:17:00 <randomuser> I'm excited to finally have someone on the team in the same time zone :)
14:17:28 <jhunt|mtg> that is interesting...I never seem to work with anyone in my timezone either
14:17:35 <pbokoc> hello jhunt|mtg!
14:17:44 <Capesteve> Hello jhunt|mtg
14:17:50 <pkovar> jhunt|mtg, welcome
14:17:51 <pbokoc> :)
14:17:52 <yruseva> hi jhunt|mtg
14:18:01 * lnovich is here
14:18:08 <jhunt|mtg> thank you everyone, just excited to help where I can
14:18:09 <Capesteve> Yay
14:18:19 <bara_> hello jhunt|mtg :)
14:18:20 <lnovich> yay+1
14:19:20 <randomuser> jhunt|mtg, any questions so far? feedback?
14:19:53 <jhunt|mtg> randomuser, not yet I am going to start diving in this week so I'm sure I'll have plenty very soon
14:20:16 <randomuser> great
14:20:31 <lnovich> if you need or want a mentor - just say so
14:20:40 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes & Beats
14:20:59 <randomuser> the Alpha deadline is fast approaching
14:21:20 <randomuser> and I think we're doing well with the RNs so far
14:21:25 * lnovich hides under the table and books a tour down the river of denial
14:21:34 <pbokoc> :)
14:21:39 <pbokoc> yeah, I suppose it could be worse
14:21:40 <randomuser> heh
14:21:53 <pbokoc> by the way, has anyone seen zoglesby recently?
14:22:06 <randomuser> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tree-tasks.html
14:22:08 <lnovich> I haven't
14:22:15 <randomuser> I have not - i hope all is well
14:22:43 <pbokoc> I think he's involved with the Server SIG, and I took some of the server-specific Changes but I'd rather if someone with more knowledge about Fedora Server wrote that
14:22:54 <randomuser> last I heard he was very busy with $DAYJOB
14:22:55 <pbokoc> but I haven't seen him around for at least 2 weeks
14:23:35 <randomuser> oh! jreznik is around! jreznik - the Changes summary page has a source comment saying it is updated automatically - how does that work?
14:24:07 <pbokoc> yeah, and how often does that happen?
14:24:30 <lnovich> for Publican?
14:25:21 <randomuser> we're talking about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/ChangeSet lnovich
14:25:30 <lnovich> ok thanks
14:26:27 <randomuser> well, anyway, jreznik - we're wanting to confirm that we should or should not manually list ourselves as the release notes owner, mostly. And about the status represented there.
14:26:31 <jreznik> randomuser: /me is an automat and I'm running the query right now
14:26:54 <randomuser> nice
14:27:19 <randomuser> Otherwise, there's still lots to write about
14:27:38 * pbokoc wonders where he put the bugzilla query
14:27:43 <randomuser> Probably some Changes not yet claimed, and other packages not written about
14:27:57 <jreznik> just my script is broken, some character in one change broke it :X
14:28:16 <randomuser> I started working on a more structured beats definition, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Immanetize/Beats_Redux
14:28:54 <randomuser> In particular, one thing we haven't done is reach out to SIGs
14:29:14 <randomuser> would anyone care to volunteer for a SIG beat?
14:29:15 <jreznik> pbokoc: it's easy to create query against changes in BZ
14:29:35 <pbokoc> jreznik, I know
14:29:38 <pbokoc> found it: red.ht/1sPgI5t
14:29:50 <pbokoc> http://red.ht/1sPgI5t
14:30:53 <jreznik> randomuser: manually in the change page but maybe I can adapt script to sync it automatically from BZ or completely remove it from change page and rely on bz
14:30:57 <pbokoc> well, pkovar was involved with the Workstation SIG, wasn't he?
14:31:33 <randomuser> jreznik, it would be nice to have something to skim over and find changes with an unclaimed docs contact
14:32:04 <jreznik> should be easy with my scripts/or querying bz
14:32:46 <pbokoc> booooom
14:33:07 <pbokoc> anyway randomuser we can use a BZ query for that and it's going to be faster and easier to maintain. We just need everyone who writes a beat to set themselves as a doc owner
14:33:18 <pbokoc> err, docs contact
14:33:44 <pbokoc> and then: http://red.ht/1pY2NaQ
14:33:55 <randomuser> #action pbokoc to add bz query links to Category:Beats page
14:35:12 <pbokoc> righto
14:35:29 <randomuser> After the changes are wrapped up, we really have to dig in and start doing real research - but Changes on the wiki is decent progress for alpha
14:35:59 <randomuser> thanks pbokoc :)
14:36:06 <randomuser> Anything else on RNs?
14:36:23 <pkovar> pbokoc: i am involved with the env and stacks WG
14:36:33 <pbokoc> jreznik, by the way, one more thing. Regarding status of the change trackers... how accurate they are? There's a message asking people to flip the status to MODIFIED for changes that are now in Fedora and testable
14:36:34 <lnovich> the virt stuff is all going to have to wait
14:36:50 <lnovich> there is a new UI being spun out in a week or two
14:36:51 <pbokoc> how accurate is that, generally? Should we follow the status (e.g. if it's not MODIFIED now, it's not in Alpha)?
14:37:00 <pbokoc> or do people just tend to forget to switch the status?
14:37:56 <randomuser> lnovich, new UI for what? and it'll definitely end up in F21?
14:38:00 <jreznik> pbokoc: it's the status I was able to get from change owners, many are updated, many are not but we care more about system wide changes to be in better shape than self contained... and with F21 slips, I'm a bit more flexible not forcing people to do updates right now as we still have some time
14:38:09 <lnovich> Virt managetr is getting an overahaul
14:38:12 <jreznik> but start with modified
14:38:24 <lnovich> and yes it will be in F21
14:38:31 <lnovich> (so they hope)\
14:38:31 <pbokoc> jreznik, right, got it. Thanks
14:38:51 <randomuser> lnovich, neat
14:38:52 <lnovich> it has to get into libvirt first and then into Fedora
14:39:14 <randomuser> backend changes are getting covered too, i hope?
14:39:26 <lnovich> IDK - I will ask
14:40:21 <randomuser> thanks
14:40:40 <randomuser> #topic pubican/publishing
14:40:47 <randomuser> I have nothing to report here
14:41:10 <randomuser> that's not the best thing to say, as I think we're waiting for me at this point, but there it is
14:41:20 <randomuser> yruseva, rkratky - anything on your end to share?
14:42:00 <yruseva> um, not really
14:42:08 <rkratky> randomuser, not really. i was away last week and hav just been hoping that the css works.
14:42:50 <randomuser> fair enough
14:43:05 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:43:18 <randomuser> ok, pbokoc - how can we help?
14:43:27 <pbokoc> right
14:43:45 <pbokoc> well, I put together a task list, just haven't had time to put it into Bugzilla
14:44:01 <pbokoc> I'm thinking I'll just create a set of BZ entries so people can claim them if they want
14:44:17 <pbokoc> they should be all mostly self-contained, so that's good
14:44:32 <pbokoc> I'll post link(s) to docs@ once I'm done
14:44:49 <randomuser> awesome
14:44:55 <pbokoc> also I finished remaking the guide structure
14:45:18 <pbokoc> I haven't commited it yet, because it's mostly just a skeleton, with very little content, and I don't want to just slap it in the repo when it's empty
14:45:40 <randomuser> pbokoc, you could push a branch up
14:45:53 <pbokoc> yeah, I was just about to say that, I'll do it
14:46:24 <pbokoc> anyway I managed to reduce the number of source XMLs from 813 to 30 :-D
14:46:30 <randomuser> win!
14:46:32 <pbokoc> it's going to go up a bit once I put the content back in
14:46:37 <lnovich> nice!
14:46:37 <pbokoc> but it should never get over 50
14:46:47 <pbokoc> and the structure now makes sense, and so do IDs
14:46:50 <randomuser> i've had nightmares about the includes in that one
14:47:03 <pbokoc> oh yeah
14:47:28 <pbokoc> the task list includes a bit asking for a slight rewrite of the GUI installation chapter
14:48:05 <pbokoc> the Anaconda devs want to use the guide as help inside the installer - you click "help" in a spoke and it opens the IG at the relevant spot
14:48:12 <randomuser> whaaa?
14:48:15 <pbokoc> which means the structure of the installer chapter should mirror the structure of the installer itself
14:48:39 <pbokoc> you know, separate sections for each spoke, like timezone config, network or partitioning
14:49:00 <pbokoc> but it's mostly done like that already, only partitioning is going to need to be restructured
14:49:23 <randomuser> yeah, and partitioning is the thing people struggle with the most
14:49:28 <pbokoc> and the rest of the book should fit into the new structure without any issues, it's just somewhat time-consuming and annoying
14:49:39 <pbokoc> yeah, the partitioning section is like a half of the whole huge chapter
14:50:14 <randomuser> well, I'm looking forward to your list and mail about it
14:50:21 <randomuser> any other guides we should talk about?
14:51:36 <randomuser> i think we're probably in good shape for the sysadmin and networking guides
14:52:12 <randomuser> oh - does anyone want to QA FranciscoD's cookbook submission?
14:53:10 <randomuser> I will if nobody speaks up
14:53:41 <pbokoc> looks like this one's all yours :)
14:54:05 <randomuser> #action randomuser to QA FranciscoD's taskd recipe
14:54:20 <randomuser> #topic Open BZ tickets
14:54:28 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:55:24 <randomuser> ugh.. I just realized we lost zodbot somewhere along the way
14:55:41 <randomuser> well, there are bugs.  Work on fixing or creating bug reports, please
14:55:56 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor Discussion
14:56:11 <pbokoc> heh
14:57:44 <randomuser> So... we had like three new people introduce themselves in the last week
14:57:59 <randomuser> that's statistically significant, I wonder what happened
14:58:32 <pbokoc> yeah, I was wondering the same thing
14:58:37 <pbokoc> sunspots, I guess
14:58:51 <randomuser> #info sunspots
14:58:56 <jhunt|mtg> for me someone made an announcement inside RH about helping
14:58:58 <lnovich> maybe Flock had influence?
14:59:12 <pbokoc> jhunt|mtg, oh wait, you're a Red Hatter?
14:59:16 <jhunt|mtg> yes
14:59:19 <randomuser> jhunt|mtg, oh? who announced?
14:59:20 <pbokoc> that was me :))
14:59:27 * randomuser highfives pbokoc
14:59:39 <randomuser> quick, someone buy this guy a beer!
14:59:42 <lnovich> see good karma all around
14:59:47 * FranciscoD peeks in
14:59:54 <jhunt|mtg> I've always wanted to participate in Docs, and pbokoc pushed me over
14:59:58 <lnovich> ++ pbokoc
15:00:11 <pbokoc> someone was asking about how to contribute to Fedora docs in a meeting last week, so I put up a document about how to join and what to expect and stuff
15:00:25 <pbokoc> a bunch of people read it so maybe we'll see a few more new faces in the future
15:00:32 <yruseva> nice :)
15:00:37 <lnovich> and i added the information about mentoring and office hours
15:00:40 <handsome_pirate> pbokoc:  Memo list that!
15:01:00 <lnovich> 6:00 and alls well
15:01:11 * adamw taps watch
15:01:13 <randomuser> ookay, QA probably wants the room
15:01:19 <handsome_pirate> arrr
15:01:19 <randomuser> #endmeeting
15:01:41 <randomuser> adamw, i can't help you with zodbot, sorry :P
15:01:45 <adamw> =)
15:01:47 <zodbot> adamw: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
15:01:56 <pbokoc> IT LIVES
15:01:59 <randomuser> oh, i know what happened
15:01:59 <adamw> it listens to me
15:02:01 <handsome_pirate> lol
15:02:01 <adamw> muahahaha
15:02:08 <radnomuser`> #endmeeting