14:07:43 <pbokoc> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:07:52 <pbokoc> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:07:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:08:05 <pbokoc> #chair randomuser
14:08:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: pbokoc randomuser
14:08:17 <pbokoc> #topic Roll Call
14:08:25 <pbokoc> alright, who's here?
14:08:38 <bara_> me :)
14:08:48 * Sparks 
14:09:26 <jsmith> .hellomynameis jsmith
14:09:27 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
14:09:45 <jsmith> Morning Sparks, afternoon bara_
14:10:07 * yruseva here
14:10:11 * bara_ says hi :)
14:10:25 <jhunt> present
14:11:37 * rkratky here
14:12:02 <pbokoc> I'm gonna have to step out for a bit later, who wants chair? Sparks?
14:13:36 <randomuser> I'm here, i can chair
14:13:50 * randomuser got stuck behind a train on the way in, apologies
14:14:01 * Sparks wonders why he is the default, go-to person for meetings.
14:14:15 <Sparks> randomuser: You got stuck behind a train?
14:14:40 <randomuser> oh, Sparks is here? nevermind then, he can do it
14:14:59 <pbokoc> #chair Sparks
14:14:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks pbokoc randomuser
14:15:09 * jhradilek is here.
14:15:15 <pbokoc> randomuser, I keep telling you, you're supposed to take the *road*, not the *tracks*
14:15:30 * randomuser facepalms
14:15:38 <randomuser> I knew it wasn't heading in the right direction...
14:16:00 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:16:20 <randomuser> There's one, I was going to sent a reminder mail about beats and their status to the list
14:16:26 <randomuser> ... and I have not. Carrying over
14:16:39 <randomuser> #action randomuser to send mail to list regarding beats status
14:16:53 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:17:08 <randomuser> Have any new writers joined us today?
14:17:39 <pbokoc> RogerB is in the other channel, but afk
14:17:40 <bara_> I was talking today to some guy from Slovakia (kollex), told him about the meeting, but can't see him around
14:18:13 <bara_> I suppose he will write a self-introduction e-mail to the list
14:18:34 <randomuser> perhaps not.  We did have one introduction this week, from Roger Baran; he's really jumping in headfirst to work on the multiboot guide. I've exchanged a few mails with him.
14:19:06 <bara_> there he is :) hi kollex
14:19:07 <pbokoc> hah, here he is
14:19:15 <jhradilek> kollex: Welcome.
14:19:22 <randomuser> hi kollex
14:19:31 <kollex> hi all. :-)
14:19:59 <randomuser> We are in the new contributor part of the meeting, a good time for any questions you might have saved
14:21:07 <randomuser> okay, nobody likes being put on the spot :)
14:21:16 <kollex> Thank you, randomuser. I got some instructions from bara_ already. I only would like to write I am totally newcomer to doc writing, so.
14:22:04 <randomuser> kollex, we are a friendly group, and there is usually someone around for help and support
14:23:03 <randomuser> we're glad to have you participating!
14:23:34 <randomuser> I'll move on now, but you can bring up questions at any time in #fedora-docs
14:23:41 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes / Beats
14:24:00 <randomuser> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tasks.html
14:24:27 <randomuser> We are still in the beat writing stage of the schedule
14:24:50 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Documentation_Beats
14:24:51 <kollex> That is perfect. I have decided to do first steps like to join mailing-list, create bugzilla account and read some introducting pages (bara_ gave me URLs). Thank you.\
14:25:11 <bara_> kollex, np :)
14:26:26 <randomuser> The release notes are a collaborative effort we do for every release; the packages are somewhat divided into categories and then we do the research on changes, and write about what we find
14:27:13 <randomuser> We will work off that wiki page until Alpha release, and then we'll move all that content to git and close the wiki pages
14:27:48 <randomuser> I'm going to go over the beats and try to identify areas that need improvement this week, and send a mail
14:28:24 <randomuser> #info Scheduled time for open beat writing is closing - don't hold back!
14:29:22 <randomuser> Any questions about the beats process at this point?
14:30:21 <randomuser> oh, and in case you missed it: The fedora-release-notes RPM will not be installed by default on any of the products
14:31:12 <pbokoc> F21 accepted changes: http://red.ht/1sPgI5t
14:31:12 <randomuser> so I was looking at different presentations, ie epiphany webapp for workstation
14:32:17 <randomuser> thanks pbokoc
14:32:42 <randomuser> it looks like our handy wiki page isn't getting populated with release notes owner info (ahem jreznik ahem)
14:33:03 <randomuser> so I guess I will go over that to identify unclaimed changes, unless someone else wants to volunteer
14:33:34 <pbokoc> I've been asking people to set themselves as docs contact on change trackers if they claim one; most owners should be identifiable by that
14:33:49 * randomuser nods
14:34:02 <pbokoc> I know a couple of bugs that have beats written, but don't have docs contact set - just a couple, maybe 3
14:34:25 <pbokoc> and generally I think setting that in Bugzilla is way easier than doing it on the wiki and hoping jreznik's script picks it up
14:34:32 <pbokoc> or whatever he uses to update
14:35:17 <randomuser> there is a script,an dz is a good way to track this; i was just looking for a lazy way to find unassigned docs contacts :P
14:35:25 <randomuser> s/dz/bz/
14:35:58 <pbokoc> randomuser, open the search above and change columns so that "docs contact" shows in the search
14:36:22 <randomuser> nice, ok
14:37:20 <pbokoc> (too bad there's no way to have a specific column setup in the URL...)
14:37:23 <randomuser> pbokoc, you've been working RNs a lot this time around; any other points to hit before we move on?
14:37:52 <pbokoc> eh, not really... "write more beats!"
14:37:56 <pbokoc> that's it
14:38:15 <randomuser> +1
14:38:29 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:38:44 <randomuser> a couple newish guides to go over today
14:38:50 <RogerB_TX> I didnt see where to change columns...
14:38:50 <randomuser> First: firewall guide
14:39:05 <pbokoc> RogerB_TX, there's a link at the bottom of the search - "Change Columns"
14:39:11 <RogerB_TX> tks
14:39:15 <randomuser> Capesteve, Sparks - any objection to getting the repo and document skeleton started?
14:39:52 <Capesteve> go for the repo
14:40:13 <randomuser> also, i was thinking of engaging design for some artwork; are post office boxes a good metaphor to initially explain a firewall's job?
14:40:29 * randomuser assumes such things exist all over the globe but hasn't verified
14:40:50 <Capesteve> A brick wall with nice long thin holes is my preference
14:41:32 <randomuser> Capesteve, but the mailboxes are numbered, and the metaphor has a built-in delivery agent
14:41:37 <randomuser> the postman
14:41:41 <pbokoc> funnily enough, Czech post boxes are literal walls of fire; you throw your mail in there and it magically appears at the address
14:41:43 * pbokoc hides
14:41:51 <Capesteve> As to the content, document skeleton, I could not understand your pirate pad proposal
14:42:21 <randomuser> we just pasted ToCs in and started removing obviously irrelevent items, Capesteve, it wasn't much of a proposal
14:43:04 <randomuser> ...and it didn't seem to be going anywhere, so i thought that moving on to a docbook structure might be more productive
14:43:15 <Capesteve> randomuser: we can go through it one more time this week?
14:43:33 <Capesteve> ahhh, I see, as you see fit then
14:43:45 <randomuser> Capesteve, sure - can we decide on a day soon, though? I'll be afk thursday
14:43:51 <Capesteve> As long as there is no duplication of effort I am in favour
14:44:15 <Capesteve> I am on line most nights
14:44:34 <randomuser> OK, Sparks ?
14:44:44 <Capesteve> can do early Wednesday morning
14:44:50 * Sparks reads up
14:45:00 <randomuser> the deduplication comment refers most to overlap with the security guide's firewall content
14:45:26 <randomuser> Capesteve, I still have to figure out $dayjob schedule this week, let me sync up with you later today
14:45:32 <Capesteve> ok
14:45:38 <Sparks> I don't do mornings (EDT) that well.
14:45:39 <Sparks> :)
14:47:26 <Sparks> But I'm +1 to getting the article/book started.
14:47:56 <randomuser> okay, we can plan more out of band then
14:48:11 <RogerB_TX> link to pirate pad pls...
14:48:49 <randomuser> moving on to the multiboot guide - RogerB_TX your last mail suggested a similar sort of listing topics and such
14:49:05 <randomuser> we can use the wiki as a whiteboard for that
14:49:29 * randomuser tries to remember the informal convention used for such things
14:49:37 <RogerB_TX> sounds good. after meeting can I get some links from you?
14:50:10 <randomuser> well, it will be a new page, and it would be good to have the link in the meeting minutes
14:50:31 <randomuser> anyone have a link to their guide's plan page on the wiki?
14:50:50 <randomuser> I want to name it the same way but am struggling to find it
14:51:15 <jreznik> pbokoc, randomuser: ah, sorry, I missed ping - I will take a look tomorrow to make sure it's properly populated but I really prefer Bugzilla to be the source and I hope I'll be able to get it from BZ API
14:51:35 <randomuser> jreznik, no worries - pbokoc pointed out a better way
14:52:32 <randomuser> RogerB_TX, let's go with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multiboot_guide_whiteboard
14:52:44 <RogerB_TX> ok.
14:53:04 <randomuser> #info multiboot-guide plans developing at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multiboot_guide_whiteboard
14:53:30 <randomuser> in other news, we have other guides that are well on track for the F21 release
14:53:46 <RogerB_TX> I guess I will need to be brought up to speed an where all of the different resources are and how they relate and interact with each other... processes, etc.
14:54:35 <RogerB_TX> big learning curve here for me :)
14:54:40 <randomuser> pbokoc and Capesteve have been committing diligently, and some others too
14:55:27 <randomuser> RogerB_TX, The wiki pages cover a lot - for the rest, maybe take notes so we know what the wiki pages *don't* cover, and they can be updated?
14:55:43 <Capesteve> I hope to have published an updated Networking Guide next week. I am still working through the Sysadmin Guides chapters
14:55:43 <RogerB_TX> ok
14:56:43 <randomuser> pbokoc, do you want to get a link in for your bug list?
14:57:15 <pbokoc> oh yeah
14:57:17 <pbokoc> #link http://red.ht/1s2GmSK
14:57:35 <pbokoc> task list for the IG - if you want to help, find something in there and ping me if you need any details
14:57:47 <randomuser> info that one !
14:58:18 <pbokoc> #info task list for the IG: http://red.ht/1s2GmSK - if you want to help, find something in there and ping pbokoc if you need any details/direction
14:58:19 <randomuser> we're running out of time, so
14:58:27 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor DIscussion
14:58:34 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor DIscussion#undo
14:58:41 <randomuser> #undo
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14:58:45 <randomuser> hrmmm
14:58:46 <pbokoc> hahahaha
14:59:06 <randomuser> there's just enough time to ask questions but probably not enough for answers
14:59:10 <randomuser> Sparks, OLF?
14:59:12 <RogerB_TX> heheheh
14:59:43 * randomuser thinks OLF docs fad is probably not happening
15:00:24 <randomuser> okay, thanks for coming everyone! see you arounf
15:00:36 <RogerB_TX> RogerB_TX, thinks 'Damn! There is so much to take in!'
15:00:42 * randomuser mashes keyboard, guzzles coffee
15:00:45 <randomuser> #endmeeting