14:00:29 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
14:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 26 14:00:29 2015 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:00:30 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:30 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:00:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:41 <randomuser> Hello everyone
14:02:55 <jsmith> .hellomynameis jsmith
14:02:55 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
14:03:08 <jsmith> Greetings, all...
14:03:12 <randomuser> good morning, jsmith
14:03:34 <randomuser> #chair jsmith pkovar Capesteve
14:03:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: Capesteve jsmith pkovar randomuser
14:03:46 * Capesteve waves
14:03:52 <randomuser> :)
14:05:08 * pbokoc 
14:06:13 <randomuser> okay, let's get on with it
14:06:23 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:06:42 <randomuser> oh right, I was going to clear out the beats pages in the wiki
14:06:48 <randomuser> I'll do that today
14:07:10 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:07:45 <randomuser> There was a new introduction to the list! Did Glen make it in?
14:08:57 <randomuser> or maybe kvaldivia ?
14:10:12 <pbokoc> probably not :) I think we can move on
14:10:24 <randomuser> #info New Contributors, keep in touch!  The group, or a mentor, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_mentors , are always available for questions
14:10:37 <randomuser> #topic Publican/Publishing
14:10:51 <randomuser> #info randomuser has no news on this subject
14:11:22 <randomuser> we did have an interesting discussion about... formats and stuff during last week's office hours, but nothing actionable
14:11:52 <randomuser> #topic Release Note Beats
14:12:34 <randomuser> urm, well, it's on the schedule...  not much to say on this one, besides that I should clear out the beats so people can start whiteboarding in them
14:13:14 <pbokoc> yeah, it's way too early
14:13:17 <randomuser> #topic fedora.next
14:13:40 <randomuser> It's not really to early to plan ahead, though
14:14:09 <pbokoc> we're planning? I thought the plan was "write the friggin' relnotes" :))
14:14:17 <randomuser> I sent an email about needing volunteers to follow the deliverable-oriented working groups around
14:15:15 <randomuser> there haven't been any replies to the email yet
14:16:17 <randomuser> even a "I don't have time for that" is a valid reply :P
14:16:45 <pbokoc> where did you send it? SIGs?
14:16:55 <randomuser> so far, it looks like there's not going to be anything earth-shattering; probably some new roles, probably a new version of gnome
14:17:10 <randomuser> no, to the docs list
14:17:14 <randomuser> should I send it further?
14:18:10 <pbokoc> weird, I must have missed it... but anyway, I don't think fedora-docs is the place to do it. I mean, at least some people on that list already contribute, it's preaching to the choir
14:18:35 <pbokoc> we should probably look for volunteers elsewhere
14:19:06 <randomuser> ugh... I thought I sent it
14:19:23 <randomuser> now I'm looking at the archive and don't see it
14:19:32 <pbokoc> yeah, it's not in my inbox either :)
14:20:07 <randomuser> it's in my outbox, usual address, 12 Han
14:20:16 <randomuser> 12 JANUARY. that's weird
14:21:16 <randomuser> okay, moving on hten
14:21:21 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:21:37 <pbokoc> btw, before F21 there was a call for volunteers for relnote beats published in Fedora Magazine, I don't remember who published it but we should ask him to do it again
14:21:51 <randomuser> good call
14:22:06 <pbokoc> yeah, Ben Cotton contributed to the IG and fixed all references to yum -> dnf
14:22:12 <pbokoc> on the right branches, too :) kudos
14:22:30 <randomuser> #info kudos to bcotton for his installation guide contribution
14:22:57 <pbokoc> #action pbokoc to add the privileges section to the sysadmin guide like he promised Capesteve a week ago
14:23:22 * randomuser shakes head
14:23:32 <pbokoc> I know, the shame is burning
14:23:44 <randomuser> you're supposed to reward yourself with the beer *after* you do the writing, not just for volunteering to do the writing
14:24:12 <pbokoc> yeah, I wanted to have one to get in the mood, and it kinda went wrong after that
14:24:29 * randomuser chuckles
14:24:40 <pbokoc> "I'll just have one" is one of the biggest Czech lies, along with "This is my last one" and "I'm never drinking again"
14:24:50 <pbokoc> anyway, I don't have anything else on guides I think
14:25:02 <randomuser> I think I will publish the multiboot guide as just a really simple FAQ for now
14:25:15 <pbokoc> yeah, it's better than nothing
14:25:23 <randomuser> I watch Ask Fedora for those kind of questions, and the same avoidable problems come up over and over
14:25:51 <randomuser> once a week there's even a question that's just "please reassure me that dual booting is possible"
14:25:59 <pbokoc> hehe
14:26:27 <pbokoc> alright, when you publish it I'll see if I can find some places to refer to it from the install guide
14:26:38 <randomuser> ugh
14:26:51 <randomuser> I forwarded that mail, pbokoc, and now I see both copies in the archive
14:27:05 <randomuser> that's mildly embarrassing
14:27:23 <pbokoc> OH
14:27:40 <randomuser> anyway, guide stuff?
14:28:09 <randomuser> jsmith, since we were talking about formats and such, maybe a good start would be to ask the Cloud SIG how we can enable them
14:28:24 <jsmith> Yes, I'll do that
14:28:32 <randomuser> we have this cloud guide, what needs to happen for you all to maintain it, etc
14:28:59 <jsmith> I've asked before, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in the Cloud Guide -- but I'll ask again
14:29:07 <jsmith> There is some new blood in the group :-p
14:29:11 <randomuser> :)
14:29:57 <randomuser> There's a big difference between sharing notes and contributing to upstream sources, we should be able to meet halfway
14:31:43 <randomuser> #action jsmith to ask Cloud SIG how we can enable them
14:32:10 <randomuser> I suppose it doesn't even have to be the cloud guide per se
14:32:28 <randomuser> any other guide related topics we should go over?
14:33:14 <pbokoc> Capesteve has been contributing to the sysadmin guide a lot, so it might need republishing
14:33:26 <Capesteve> yes, soon
14:33:26 <pbokoc> unfortunately he disappeared
14:33:33 <pbokoc> oh, apparently he hasn't
14:33:35 <randomuser> #info randomuser plans to publish mostly non-procedural multiboot guide
14:33:36 <pbokoc> nevermind :)
14:34:14 <randomuser> sure, ping when ready, Capesteve
14:35:05 <randomuser> oh, Changes, that's what I was going to bring up for the RNs section
14:35:08 <randomuser> next time
14:35:33 <Capesteve> we can do it after pbokoc does his push
14:35:50 <pbokoc> oh damnit :))
14:36:53 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:37:00 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:37:27 <randomuser> #info If you're looking for something to do, the bug list is a good place to start
14:39:42 <randomuser> oh, pbokoc, did you find someone that knows about efi netbooting?
14:39:58 <pbokoc> ah, I forgot about that, sorry
14:40:19 <randomuser> when you do, ask them about creating efi boot entries for a network device too
14:40:19 <pjones> what about it?
14:40:55 <pbokoc> haha nice
14:41:10 <randomuser> pjones, in general, we want to make sure the installation guide is correct. If you have a few minutes to hang around #fedora-docs after the meeting, that would be awesome
14:41:30 <pjones> efibootmgr -i eth0 -l '\foo.efi' -L 'boot foo from eth0'
14:41:32 <pjones> ^ should work
14:41:40 <randomuser> !
14:41:44 <pjones> sure, just get my attention when you're ready
14:42:09 <pjones> (I have *zero* confidence the firmware side of that won't kill it during reboot, but...)
14:42:27 <randomuser> that's crazy simple, `man efibootmgr` - or something similar, had some black magic about ACPI device paths
14:43:51 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor discussion
14:46:08 <randomuser> now's your chance for that question you've been holding back
14:48:00 <randomuser> radio silence
14:49:04 <pbokoc> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/8UTIwhI-0xIUEznGzxMpLIguCb05pKHsCf9E42KUjbM
14:49:21 <pbokoc> ("Watch out, the enemy is listening" on an old military radio)
14:49:44 <grundblom> Well since the floor is open, I would like to introduce myself and say Hello
14:49:57 <randomuser> aha!
14:50:12 <randomuser> welcome, grundbloom, glad you could make it
14:50:18 <pbokoc> hello grundblom
14:51:29 <grundblom> So, I am pretty new, and reading the documentation over and over so I can get an understanding how I can contribute
14:51:40 <grundblom> but thanks for having me
14:51:50 <grundblom> but, I mean so... so thank you for having me
14:52:07 <randomuser> grundblom, do you have some time to hang around? we can go over some things in #fedora-docs, it will probably take more time than our meeting window allows
14:52:37 <grundblom> Sure
14:53:16 <randomuser> cool
14:53:34 <randomuser> did you have any questions about the things covered in the meeting since you joined?
14:54:30 <grundblom> Nope, not yet
14:55:00 <randomuser> okay, let's move over to that other channel and talk about getting started
14:55:13 <randomuser> thanks for coming, everyone
14:55:17 <randomuser> #endmeeting