14:04:11 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:04:11 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:04:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:04:12 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:04:17 * lnovich is here
14:04:25 <Capesteve> here
14:04:31 <pkovar> /me is still here
14:04:44 <kvanwess> kvanwess is here
14:04:50 * smccann also still here
14:05:24 <pkovar> some of us are a bit impatient when it comes to roll call :)
14:05:41 * randomuser chuckles
14:05:42 <Capesteve> too keen
14:05:47 <lnovich> hey at least we're here
14:05:49 <randomuser> ok, let's get on with it then
14:05:54 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:06:16 <randomuser> kvanwess, any reports of new writers?
14:06:25 <kvanwess> I just started, still reading up
14:06:30 <randomuser> err... I didn't mean to single you out, sorry :P
14:06:39 <smccann> newish here too
14:07:09 <randomuser> you've been busy, smccann - anything to share yet?
14:07:24 <smccann> yeah I'm still a git with git :-)
14:07:53 <smccann> backtracking based on last week's suggestion to move my stuff to fedorapeople and commit in tiny chunks.
14:07:53 <randomuser> heh
14:08:16 <kvanwess> any tips on where to start?
14:08:18 <smccann> i will have stuff ready once I figure this part out
14:08:37 <kvanwess> at the moment trying to install Fedora 21 using the documentation
14:08:47 <lnovich> that is a good start
14:11:03 <randomuser> kvanwess, great! take notes while you follow along with the documentation, let us now where you see room for improvement
14:11:18 <kvanwess> will do
14:11:29 <lnovich> did you create a fedora account?
14:12:24 <kvanwess> yes I have, I sent out the intro mail last week, including a gpg key
14:12:34 <randomuser> kvanwess, if you need anything along the way, feel free to ask
14:12:48 <kvanwess> thanks :)
14:13:10 <randomuser> I'm skipping over the action item followup; there was one tagged, and I didn't do it
14:13:17 <randomuser> more on that later :)
14:13:25 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes
14:13:55 <randomuser> I sent a mail to the docs and join lists about this recently, hopefully there will be some bites
14:14:36 <randomuser> (the Join SIG, btw, is dedicated to helping new contributors settle in to the Fedora community and matching them up with groups that align with their interests)
14:15:24 <randomuser> otherwise, we have the standard message here; there is a new Fedora release, we should write about it
14:16:22 <randomuser> Anyone else have points to raise on this topic?
14:17:12 * jsmith has nothing to add
14:17:31 <randomuser> #info Release Notes need writing, if you don't know what to do, ask someone
14:17:42 <randomuser> #topic Publishing
14:19:05 <randomuser> I sent a mail to the Cloud SIG asking what sort of markup format would be acceptable for them; they seemed to lean to ReStructuredText but were going to discuss it further
14:20:11 <randomuser> I also worked a bit more on the publishing project I started; nothing substantial to report, just incremental progress
14:20:45 <randomuser> was anyone else able to reach out to other parts of the Fedora Project ?
14:22:49 <randomuser> ok then.  That's something you could do to help me, if you are active in other groups.
14:22:59 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:23:22 <randomuser> pbokoc, how are the anaconda embedded docs looking?
14:23:58 <pbokoc> randomuser, still the same, I presume
14:24:05 <pbokoc> I haven't touched it in a while
14:25:01 <randomuser> pbokoc, should we plan a review activity of some kind?
14:25:01 <grundblom> Sorry I am late
14:25:03 <grundblom> Server reboot
14:25:14 <randomuser> welcome, grundblom
14:25:50 <pbokoc> randomuser, I'm not sure. I mean, reviews are good and all, but I don't know how useful it would be
14:26:03 * randomuser nods
14:26:32 <pbokoc> sounds like too much effort for little gain; if there were big issues, I think I'd hear about it - it's pretty exposed so presumably a lot of people have seen it (or... more than the Install Guide, anyway)
14:27:18 <randomuser> hmmm... I wonder if the QA folks would be interested in glancing it over during their testing
14:27:33 <pbokoc> that could work, yeah
14:28:18 <randomuser> their meeting might be next, I'll see if I can hang around
14:28:33 <pbokoc> cool, thanks
14:29:12 <randomuser> in other news, kendell clark prepared a rewrite of the accessibility guide
14:29:58 <randomuser> I'm excited about it; he focused on visually impaired use of Fedora, and has firsthand experience there as a blind user
14:30:45 <pbokoc> that sounds pretty cool
14:31:16 <kvanwess> I read his mail, looks exciting
14:32:10 <randomuser> so over the next week, that should get peer review, markup, publishing
14:32:26 <randomuser> (I offered to do the markup for him, to start)
14:33:26 <randomuser> there's also now a [pending] redirect for the networking guide, docs.fp.o/networking - thanks for prodding about that, Capesteve
14:33:38 <Capesteve> ta
14:34:25 <randomuser> I updated /sysadmin-guide as well from the F18 release - so remember to ping your local sysadmin-docs member about redirects when publishing the newest version of your guides
14:35:14 <Capesteve> will discuss with pkovar
14:35:23 <randomuser> ok
14:35:32 <randomuser> how are we doing on other guides?
14:35:59 <lnovich> we also need to make sure that all guides have changed the yum install X in all places
14:36:23 <lnovich> is it that it will be added or changed completely?
14:37:27 <randomuser> lnovich, it's started... but I dunno if it is complete
14:37:45 <randomuser> same for the full dnf documentation in the sysadmin guide
14:38:05 <randomuser> perhaps a tracking bug blocked by individual guide bugs is in order?
14:38:21 <Capesteve> trackers are good
14:38:34 <lnovich> and automated tests are better
14:38:37 <randomuser> it's nice to not guess at these answers :)
14:38:55 <randomuser> lnovich, especially automated tests that close their own bugs
14:39:14 <randomuser> can someone volunteer to do the filing?
14:41:13 <randomuser> #action randomuser to create tracking and child bugs for dnf conversion
14:41:20 <striker> randomuser: I can help file bugs if needed
14:41:29 <randomuser> oh, great
14:41:31 <randomuser> #undo
14:41:31 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by randomuser at 14:41:13 : randomuser to create tracking and child bugs for dnf conversion
14:42:06 * randomuser reminds himself that irc is not vim, do not ctl+w here
14:42:20 <striker> randomuser: as I understand it - converting yum commands to dnf commands in the official documentation?
14:42:30 <randomuser> #action striker to file tracking and child bugs for dnf conversion
14:43:01 <randomuser> striker, right.  one tracker bug, blocked by a somewhat generic bug against each of the current guides
14:43:15 <striker> randomuser: ack
14:43:34 <striker> I can get started on this tonight - is there a deadline?
14:43:47 <randomuser> I believe bcotton already handled the installation guide
14:43:52 <pbokoc> yep
14:44:08 <pkovar> will there be a yum>dnf symlink in upcoming fedora?
14:44:17 <randomuser> striker, say, end of the week?  do you know where to find a list of current guides?
14:44:24 <pkovar> then our docs wouldn't be completely incorrect
14:44:46 <pkovar> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
14:44:53 <randomuser> pkovar, as I understand it, no. there is a yum-dnf package that iirc only provides that symlink, but it conflicts: yum and nobody wants that
14:44:58 <striker> randomuser: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/?
14:45:03 <striker> pkovar: thx
14:45:18 <pkovar> randomuser: that's unfortunate
14:46:01 <randomuser> pkovar, well, dnf isn't yum and doesn't behave like it; pretending it is yum is going to frustrate users for no good reason
14:46:38 <pkovar> randomuser: good point
14:47:52 <randomuser> striker, as for deadline... I'd like to see the easy changes done by beta, and the sysadmin guide updated by final release.  Filing the bugs is only the first step
14:48:50 <randomuser> Anything else on guides?
14:49:44 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:49:55 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:50:05 <randomuser> thar be bugs
14:53:06 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:53:29 <lnovich> CFP opened for Flock - anyone applying?
14:53:43 <randomuser> whaa? when did that happen?
14:53:56 <jsmith> Yeah, my question exactly...
14:54:11 <jsmith> If the CFP is open, nobody has said so (via RSS feeds, email, etc.)
14:54:26 <lnovich> read it on the website
14:54:40 * jsmith will be submitting his Docs workshop proposal, as usual
14:55:05 <lnovich> anyone interested in joining me in a presentation?
14:55:18 * randomuser will submit a "A look back at classic jsmith's docs workshops" presentation
14:56:58 <randomuser> I might throw something together, just maybe
14:57:16 <lnovich> http://flocktofedora.net/submit-a-talk/
14:58:01 <randomuser> oh, there's even a new domain this time around!
14:58:07 <lnovich> any ideas randomuser that you think are a must - if not I have my own
14:58:21 <pkovar> "The third Flock conference will be held August 12-15, 2015 in Prague, Czech Republic."
14:58:27 <pkovar> not sure about that ^
14:58:28 <pkovar> ;)
14:58:34 <lnovich> it is in Rochester
14:58:35 <lnovich> NY
14:58:54 <lnovich> hope the dates are correct
14:58:59 <pkovar> lnovich: they should really update the form though
14:59:26 <randomuser> #info flock is a thing, see you there
14:59:35 <randomuser> let's wrap this up
14:59:40 <lnovich> agreed
14:59:44 <pkovar> otherwise a bunch of confused people end up in prague in august :)
15:00:04 <randomuser> pkovar, let's do that, and still send in the tab :)
15:00:07 <randomuser> #endmeeting